Turkey shoots down Russian fighter...
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So what if it was an announced exercise? "Exercises" are used by military forces all over the world to test other forces, exert sovereignty and right of free passage, or to poorly mask actual hostilities as the Russians did in the Ukraine. Comparing the Strait of Hormuz for God's sake to US waters off Norfolk Virginia is absurdity at it's finest as well. We're taking about an extremely busy, strategically vital, very narrow passage that also happens to be the most tense stretch of water on the planet. It's a nautical powder keg every minute of every day that has a terrible history of conflict both intentional and accidental.
Don't you think launching live missiles 1500 feet away from other countries warships and in close proximity to international shipping could be considered provocative? Why do you think the Iranians did it in the first place if not to be provocative?
Don't you think launching live missiles 1500 feet away from other countries warships and in close proximity to international shipping could be considered provocative? Why do you think the Iranians did it in the first place if not to be provocative?
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The Strait of Hormuz would be like the Strait of Juan de Fuca if it weren't for American meddling. Pretty much every conflict in the region has roots in American hegemony or attempts at such: The Iranian Revolution, the Iran Iraq war, the Gulf War, the Invasion of Iraq.
I think that if Iran and Oman want to have their little exercise, it should be no big deal. The Anericans are the ones with the less-than-stellar record of being where they shouldn't be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Bl ... g_incident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
I think that if Iran and Oman want to have their little exercise, it should be no big deal. The Anericans are the ones with the less-than-stellar record of being where they shouldn't be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Bl ... g_incident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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I agree with Gilles/ Pie on this one, Rockie, go back to your brainwashing MSM and be a loyal sheeple! 

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So where is the bias and government control you claim the BBC has in reporting the US government's opinion that such actions are provocative? When exercises are conducted near Taiwan or the Spratly Islands China considers it provocative and an infringement on their territory which is also widely reported in western media.crazyaviator wrote:I agree with Gilles/ Pie on this one, Rockie, go back to your brainwashing MSM and be a loyal sheeple!
Where is the bias in that?
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You can't be serious? It isn't the Americans, it's the oil. And while I share your opinion on American meddling throughout the world everyone - including most of the gulf nations - are glad the USN is there as the big dog keeping all the little ones in line.iflyforpie wrote:The Strait of Hormuz would be like the Strait of Juan de Fuca if it weren't for American meddling.
Absent the oil there would be no Americans and no USN, but there would still be frequent fighting on that water, probably more than there is now. But nobody outside the region would care. Do think all those nations surrounding the Gulf are just one big happy family?
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French Navy communiqué about their Frigate "Provence" sailing through the Straight of Hormuz on Dec 26 while escorting USN Harry S. Truman......
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/i ... -aeronaval#
They were probably looking in the other direction when the Iranian rockets were fired.......
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/i ... -aeronaval#
They were probably looking in the other direction when the Iranian rockets were fired.......
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I feel an urge for a democracy in Saudi Arabia, I think we should send some troops and f18s.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/02/middleeas ... ns-terror/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/why-did-sa ... -1.3387297
Oh yep and the SU24 blackbox is screwed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... PK20151221
I guess we will never know the truth.
But I have to quote Erdogan on that one.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 48146.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/02/middleeas ... ns-terror/
Obviously they want to set on fire the whole ME for good. I think they are doing a pretty good job.(CNN)Saudi Arabia said Saturday it had executed 47 people in a single day, including a dissident Shiite cleric, Nimr al-Nimr, who had repeatedly spoken out against the government and the Saudi royal family.
Nimr had been convicted of inciting sectarian strife, sedition and other charges following his 2012 arrest.
Iran, Saudi Arabia's regional rival, summoned the Saudi ambassador in Tehran to condemn the execution, the state-run IRNA news agency reported. The Shiite-majority nation issued a statement deploring the execution and warning that Saudi Arabia would pay a heavy price for its policies.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/why-did-sa ... -1.3387297
Oh yep and the SU24 blackbox is screwed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... PK20151221
I guess we will never know the truth.
But I have to quote Erdogan on that one.
“A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack,”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 48146.html
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I've always thought that we should just leave the Middle East to it's own devices once and for all. Let the place descend into chaos, death and destruction. Oil will stop flowing which will be good for non OPEC producers like Canada and the U.S. The loss of life will be tremendous but a balance will finally be established naturally. Either that or everyone will be dead. If we don't like the end result than we can choose to not establish relations with the winning party.
We provide humanitarian help to non combatants as best we can and protect and house refugees.
Mean while we let the warring parties duke it out once and for all. If so inclined we sell them the weapons to do it with and make some money on the side.
Until this happens these fights, rivalries, grudges and proxy wars will continue for another thousand years.
We provide humanitarian help to non combatants as best we can and protect and house refugees.
Mean while we let the warring parties duke it out once and for all. If so inclined we sell them the weapons to do it with and make some money on the side.
Until this happens these fights, rivalries, grudges and proxy wars will continue for another thousand years.
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Payback time ......
The Turks first reported that they had lost a Super Cobra helicopter due to technical failure, then this video was released.
http://defence-blog.com/news/kurdish-pk ... ation.html
It's amazing how little noise this made in the news. Quiet payback without the headlines, without the responsibility.
http://defence-blog.com/news/kurdish-pk ... ation.html
It's amazing how little noise this made in the news. Quiet payback without the headlines, without the responsibility.
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Wow, that's an incredible video. It's nice to see the Kurds having some response to the relentless Turkish slaughter of their people.Gilles Hudicourt wrote:The Turks first reported that they had lost a Super Cobra helicopter due to technical failure, then this video was released.
http://defence-blog.com/news/kurdish-pk ... ation.html
It's amazing how little noise this made in the news. Quiet payback without the headlines, without the responsibility.
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Very interesting move by the Russians (and I will explain what I mean by that). This is very much a Cold War style tit for tat incident.
Judging by the weapon the Kurdish fighter is using, it appears to be a Russian soldier launched type, similar to a US Stinger missile. One can easily see this as being an indirect retaliatory move by the Russians against the Turks. The Turkish Air Force downs an SU-24, and now a Russian made missile downs a Turkish helicopter - although of course done by a third party to ensure one cannot be directly linked to the incident...
Judging by the weapon the Kurdish fighter is using, it appears to be a Russian soldier launched type, similar to a US Stinger missile. One can easily see this as being an indirect retaliatory move by the Russians against the Turks. The Turkish Air Force downs an SU-24, and now a Russian made missile downs a Turkish helicopter - although of course done by a third party to ensure one cannot be directly linked to the incident...