The Air Canada OTS thread

[Oxi]

Guys/Gals first on the new contract at Jazz have already done video and in person interviews. Heck even guys with a year at Jazz have done a both.

[razorblade]

At least at Jazz, remember quite a few new hires don't have ATPLs/ 2000 TT so I think the wait will be much less than predicted in that spreadsheet.

[Jimmy2]

Once you join the feeder you must make a request to be put on the feeder PML.

Does this mean you can work for a PML carrier and still remain an OTS candidate as long as you don't request to be put on the feeder PML?

[fruitloops]

Once you join the feeder you must make a request to be put on the feeder PML.

Does this mean you can work for a PML carrier and still remain an OTS candidate as long as you don't request to be put on the feeder PML?

Once you start employment at the feeder, if you get called for AC interview via OTS list/route and AC learns you are currently at an AC feeder, they won't likely hire you due to their agreements with the feeder regardless if you are on the feeder PML or not. They will tell you to apply through your feeder. It's political hot water for AC if they are aware u are working at the feeder already.

[crj_705]

Once you join the feeder you must make a request to be put on the feeder PML.

Does this mean you can work for a PML carrier and still remain an OTS candidate as long as you don't request to be put on the feeder PML?

Once you start employment at the feeder, if you get called for AC interview via OTS list/route and AC learns you are currently at an AC feeder, they won't likely hire you due to their agreements with the feeder regardless if you are on the feeder PML or not. They will tell you to apply through your feeder. It's political hot water for AC if they are aware u are working at the feeder already.

Let me guess, you must have been one of the anointed ones who's daddy was the chief pilot at AC when you got hired right from a C-172???

Go find a Thesaurus a$$hole!

[YQkC]

[JBI]

Let me guess, you must have been one of the anointed ones who's daddy was the chief pilot at AC when you got hired right from a C-172???

Go find a Thesaurus a$$hole!

A thesaurus isn't necessary if the correct term is being used. Feeder (airline) is a proper term and not derogatory for a regional airline branded in a larger airline's livery that "feeds" guests in to the mainline airline's network. From Business Dictionary.com - Feeder Airline: Commuter carrier that brings-in (feeds) travelers from destinations not served by large carriers to hub airports for onward journey on national and international airlines.

[Heisenberg666]

Let me guess, you must have been one of the anointed ones who's daddy was the chief pilot at AC when you got hired right from a C-172???

Go find a Thesaurus a$$hole!

A thesaurus isn't necessary if the correct term is being used. Feeder (airline) is a proper term and not derogatory for a regional airline branded in a larger airline's livery that "feeds" guests in to the mainline airline's network. From Business Dictionary.com - Feeder Airline: Commuter carrier that brings-in (feeds) travelers from destinations not served by large carriers to hub airports for onward journey on national and international airlines.

I wasn't really sure what all the fuss was about either.

[loopa]

https://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Air-C ... r%20Canada

Air Canada Pilots are primarily drawn from Air Canada Express pilots (Jazz, SkyRegional, Air Georgian, EVAS) through the Pilot Mobility Agreement (PML). The most recent PML consists of only Jazz pilots. The PML in 2017-2019 will consist of mostly Jazz pilots with the occasional Skyriegional, Georgian and EVAS pilot based on the terms of the PML. Each new hire course consists of 80% PML pilots and the remainder as "off the street" hires.

Would this be considered right from the horses mouth? Seems pretty obvious that Jazz will be feeding most of the seats. For those thinking about which express to go to to end up at mainline.

Cheers,

L

[Jimmy2]

Jazz has way more pilots than the other feeders though so it stands to reason the PML will consist of mostly Jazz pilots.

[gtanorth]

Jazz has way more pilots than the other feeders though so it stands to reason the PML will consist of mostly Jazz pilots.

Its a simple per capita ratio by contract with AC and the Express partners. Each Express feed equal number of pilots on a ratio basis. If Jazz has 75% of express pilots then 75% of the express pilots will be from Jazz. In total 80% of all new hires will be from Express 10% military and the rest from OTS.

[jpilot77]

As of right now Sky has 300 pilots not 200.

[gtanorth]

As of right now Sky has 300 pilots not 200.

Georgian has 237 per ALPA. Also given longterm relationships with colleges and university programs AGL hire rate is actually around 70% in total interviewed and 80% interviewed with av college or uni.

[rudder]

Numbers closer to 1400/250/300/75.

Jazz fleet increasing. GGN fleet increasing. SKY fleet stable. EVAS..... who knows.

June 2017 - 117/28/25/?

[loopa]

Numbers closer to <a href="tel:1400/250/300">1400/250/300</a>/75.

Jazz fleet increasing. GGN fleet increasing. SKY fleet stable. EVAS..... who knows.

June <a href="tel:2017 - 117/28">2017 - 117/28</a>/25/?

The Jazz fleet is increasing? I thought Jazz was reducing from 120 some odd fins to 86 by 2020?

Can't remember where I read that but that's good news for Jazz if the fleet size is increasing.

[rudder]

The Jazz fleet is increasing? I thought Jazz was reducing from 120 some odd fins to 86 by 2020?

Can't remember where I read that but that's good news for Jazz if the fleet size is increasing.

According to MD&A documents from Chorus Aviation, original Jazz fleet projection for 2017 was 107. Subsequently revised to 117. Aircraft reduction schedule unchanged but 5 CRJ900's and 5 Q400's added in 2017 and remaining through 2025. 2020 fleet projected to 96 factoring in removal/transfer of final 10 CRJ200's and continued contraction of D8100 fleet.

CHR still holds purchase options on 5 more CRJ900's.

[fruitloops]

Updated sheet with some of the info given by others

[Black_Tusk]

AC has been calling 2016 hires at Jazz for the initial online interview. I think they are around April 2016 right now, Uni degree only. So a fair bit faster than the chart there, although an actual start date may still take a while. But I don't see it being 3+ years.

Something else to consider, if you want it, upgrades onto the classic are still sub 1yr. That's a big pay bump.

[705dreamer]

Updated sheet with some of the info given by others

There are some other variables that make this spreadsheet no where close to reality as well. For instance, the top 800 people or so on that figure of 1450 Jazz pilots are probably there to stay now. So really the chances would be much higher at Jazz because they have the biggest group meaning the largest number of people getting pulled but not nearly as many people potentially signing up (percentage company wide) as the other carriers. Bottom line is no one can predict what is going to happen which is usually the case in this industry.

[schnitzel2k3]

So much for the OTS nature of this thread.

I guess the message is apply to Jazz, screw OTS and get on the PML asap? Because all I am seeing is regional numbers and PML in the last two pages of this discussion.

Perhaps it's time to start considering other airlines that don't force avenues of entry via their low cost divisions.

Wait and see for now I guess.

S.

[Far]

So much for the OTS nature of this thread.

I guess the message is apply to Jazz, screw OTS and get on the PML asap? Because all I am seeing is regional numbers and PML in the last two pages of this discussion.

Perhaps it's time to start considering other airlines that don't force avenues of entry via their low cost divisions.

Wait and see for now I guess.

S.

+1

[Black_Tusk]

So much for the OTS nature of this thread.

I guess the message is apply to Jazz, screw OTS and get on the PML asap? Because all I am seeing is regional numbers and PML in the last two pages of this discussion.

Perhaps it's time to start considering other airlines that don't force avenues of entry via their low cost divisions.

Wait and see for now I guess.

S.

So, Transat? Basically that's about your only option for larger airlines. And Sunwing if you want that.

WJ/Encore is going to be more of the same for OTS. If you enter WJ mainline OTS you'll have a ton of Encore pilots above you. It's just the way things are going now.

[schnitzel2k3]

Bingo. Hehe.

It's disappointing to say the least.

Transat looks like a great operation, and it looks like it has stabilized in the last few years (not the waves of layoffs). The diversity in overall career remains with AC but so does some of stress of trying to get in there.

Sigh.

S.

[Jimmy2]

As an OTS candidate I appreciate the info about the PML system as it's important for my decision to keep waiting for the OTS interview or not.

[rudder]

There is late 2014 Jazz on course at AC March 2017. Less than 30 months. Not bad, particularly if younger. Will have a long career at AC. If longer wait could have held junior left seat at Jazz. May not work out the same for everybody but that particular path seems reasonable. Ability to upgrade while on PML helps to mitigate low entry level pay at Jazz.