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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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.80@410 wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 pm No worries weedpro. I'd rather take the next flight too.

Its worth it rather than let those 26 +1 ^ think it's OK to F**K over an entire pilot group with zero repercussions.
It may be small potatoes in the grand scheme but consider this famous quote :

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If JS and the other two won’t take you because of your honorable stance, Come ride on the Q, jumpseat is better anyway. Might take a few hops to get across the country, but we’ll get you there nonetheless. And bring a banjo, lots of songs to be sung in those headwinds.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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MrTurbine wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:29 pm
.80@410 wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 pm No worries weedpro. I'd rather take the next flight too.

Its worth it rather than let those 26 +1 ^ think it's OK to F**K over an entire pilot group with zero repercussions.
It may be small potatoes in the grand scheme but consider this famous quote :

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If JS and the other two won’t take you because of your honorable stance, Come ride on the Q, jumpseat is better anyway. Might take a few hops to get across the country, but we’ll get you there nonetheless. And bring a banjo, lots of songs to be sung in those headwinds.
If you all think that it is only three pilots that disagree with the approach that WestJet pilots have taken, the bubble you live in is a little bit thicker than most out there would believe.

Many many people stand by your cause, far fewer approve of the methods taken.

No doubt you all won't care believing yourselves to be the white knights on a cause of protecting all humanity from 'evil'. Funnily enough the thought process used by many mobs.

Drama much '80@410'?
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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flyzam wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:15 am
MrTurbine wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:29 pm
.80@410 wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:54 pm No worries weedpro. I'd rather take the next flight too.

Its worth it rather than let those 26 +1 ^ think it's OK to F**K over an entire pilot group with zero repercussions.
It may be small potatoes in the grand scheme but consider this famous quote :

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If JS and the other two won’t take you because of your honorable stance, Come ride on the Q, jumpseat is better anyway. Might take a few hops to get across the country, but we’ll get you there nonetheless. And bring a banjo, lots of songs to be sung in those headwinds.
If you all think that it is only three pilots that disagree with the approach that WestJet pilots have taken, the bubble you live in is a little bit thicker than most out there would believe.

Many many people stand by your cause, far fewer approve of the methods taken.

No doubt you all won't care believing yourselves to be the white knights on a cause of protecting all humanity from 'evil'. Funnily enough the thought process used by many mobs.

Drama much '80@410'?
You have a valid point. But at the same time, I’d rather sit here and do something (within reason) to fight for what I believe, than sit back and let them believe that what they have done is totally okay, and they can now get away with it.
Keep in mind, it at works out at the end. We just needed support in the beginning , and our backs are still hurt from those stab wounds by a select few.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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I do know I'll never allow a WestJet pilot anywhere near my j/s ever again after this. I have no use for the dubious "privilege" myself so there's no upside in allowing some whiny union weirdo moan the whole flight about the "scabs" that never were.

Besides, who wants to sit on some plank on the back of a cockpit door anyhow? Not worth the small cost of a ticket these days. :mrgreen:
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complexintentions wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:26 am I do know I'll never allow a WestJet pilot anywhere near my j/s ever again after this. I have no use for the dubious "privilege" myself so there's no upside in allowing some whiny union weirdo moan the whole flight about the "scabs" that never were.

Besides, who wants to sit on some plank on the back of a cockpit door anyhow? Not worth the small cost of a ticket these days. :mrgreen:
You would never occupy a WJ jumpseat anyhow, you are not employed by them.
As for swoop pilots sitting there, it seems to me it could be a safety issue. If the WJ pilots hold animosity towards them, for good reason, having them sitting two feet away from you would not be conducive to a safe flight deck.
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Only if you are not a professional
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:34 am Only if you are not a professional
Easy enough to say, would you let the guy who slept with your wife sit in your jumpseat, you know being a professional and all it should be fine!
Professionalism goes so far, there is a reason doctors are not allowed to work on family members.

“The most recent American Medical Association guidelines from the Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs state, “physicians generally should not treat themselves or members of their immediate families. Professional objectivity may be compromised when an immediate family member or the physician is the patient.”
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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mbav8r wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:39 pm
complexintentions wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:26 am I do know I'll never allow a WestJet pilot anywhere near my j/s ever again after this. I have no use for the dubious "privilege" myself so there's no upside in allowing some whiny union weirdo moan the whole flight about the "scabs" that never were.

Besides, who wants to sit on some plank on the back of a cockpit door anyhow? Not worth the small cost of a ticket these days. :mrgreen:
You would never occupy a WJ jumpseat anyhow, you are not employed by them.
As for swoop pilots sitting there, it seems to me it could be a safety issue. If the WJ pilots hold animosity towards them, for good reason, having them sitting two feet away from you would not be conducive to a safe flight deck.
Maybe you should find a safe place.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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MrTurbine wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:04 am
flyzam wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:15 am
MrTurbine wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:29 pm

If JS and the other two won’t take you because of your honorable stance, Come ride on the Q, jumpseat is better anyway. Might take a few hops to get across the country, but we’ll get you there nonetheless. And bring a banjo, lots of songs to be sung in those headwinds.
If you all think that it is only three pilots that disagree with the approach that WestJet pilots have taken, the bubble you live in is a little bit thicker than most out there would believe.

Many many people stand by your cause, far fewer approve of the methods taken.

No doubt you all won't care believing yourselves to be the white knights on a cause of protecting all humanity from 'evil'. Funnily enough the thought process used by many mobs.

Drama much '80@410'?
You have a valid point. But at the same time, I’d rather sit here and do something (within reason) to fight for what I believe, than sit back and let them believe that what they have done is totally okay, and they can now get away with it.
Keep in mind, it at works out at the end. We just needed support in the beginning , and our backs are still hurt from those stab wounds by a select few.
The stab wounds bear the clear marks of a typical ALPA campaign of convincing Encore and former Encore pilots that they would keep their spot on a list following certification. As we have seen, those were claims were negligent misrepresentations at best, at worst, and more likely the case, outright lies.

Can’t wait to find out if they go for retroactive dues. Stand by on that hot potato.

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Actually No, they don't, but you just go along and keep telling yourself as much and anyone naïve enough to listen. :goodman:

Where do you come up with this stuff ?

It's borderline tinfoil - hat ramblings .
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Swoop pilots slept with your wife???

Just kidding....in all seriousness though, let go of the past...you will live longer
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.80@410 wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:37 am Actually No, they don't, but you just go along and keep telling yourself as much and anyone naïve enough to listen. :goodman:

Where do you come up with this stuff ?

It's borderline tinfoil - hat ramblings .
No they don't do "retroactive dues" they do a "one time assessment". But you just keep telling yourself they don't, and anyone else naive enough to listen. :roll:
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Borderline? Back in the wjpa forum days he flooded the forums with so much useless garble that even the most loyal of wjpa supporters couldn’t handle opening/contributing to his topics anymore.

Just stop fuelling the weedpro posts. It’s Trump politics. You only need one person to believe what you say so if you say enough, you might just get support.

Nothing posted about this end of one list has any merit.
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Are WJ pilots flying Swoop flights yet or is it just the scabs right now?
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av8ts wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:23 pm Are WJ pilots flying Swoop flights yet or is it just the scabs right now?
Yes they are. Well, bidding for the spots, so coming in the super near future.
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WestJet pilots calling Swoop pilots "scabs" has got to be one of the finer examples of irony ever posited. It will probably appear in the 2020 edition of Funk and Wagnalls and possibly the OED...
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Schooner69A wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:20 pm WestJet pilots calling Swoop pilots "scabs" has got to be one of the finer examples of irony ever posited. It will probably appear in the 2020 edition of Funk and Wagnalls and possibly the OED...
Okay, fine. No more scabs.

New name for them.
Stabs. Because they stabbed us in the back.

Happy?
Ps. Do you not like the word scabs because the truth hurts too much?
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True North wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:02 pm
.80@410 wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:37 am Actually No, they don't, but you just go along and keep telling yourself as much and anyone naïve enough to listen. :goodman:

Where do you come up with this stuff ?

It's borderline tinfoil - hat ramblings .
No they don't do "retroactive dues" they do a "one time assessment". But you just keep telling yourself they don't, and anyone else naive enough to listen. :roll:
Chill TN, I was referring to Weedpros "The stab wounds bear the clear marks of a typical ALPA campaign" ...
Not the dues. I apologize if I wasn't clear.....

I don't give A hoot about the dues personally. They deserve every penny they get for the work they have done saving us from managements' plans to whipsaw our company internally. I couldn't be more thankful to the ALPA team.
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Schooner69A wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:20 pm WestJet pilots calling Swoop pilots "scabs" has got to be one of the finer examples of irony ever posited. It will probably appear in the 2020 edition of Funk and Wagnalls and possibly the OED...
Indeed, mob mentality at its best... and quite ironic since Jazz and Encore lowered the standard much more, not to mention WestJet itself that arguably drove the final nail in the coffin of Canadian Airlines. Swoop pilots took jobs advertised and on par with Sunwing and Transat, perhaps even better since they had bonus and stocks. After multiple opportunities to take the flying in over a year WestJet pilots are back to square one....all these misplaced anger and ramblings just show poor taste and lack of professionalism.
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cloak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:08 am
Schooner69A wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:20 pm WestJet pilots calling Swoop pilots "scabs" has got to be one of the finer examples of irony ever posited. It will probably appear in the 2020 edition of Funk and Wagnalls and possibly the OED...
Indeed, mob mentality at its best... and quite ironic since Jazz and Encore lowered the standard much more, not to mention WestJet itself that arguably drove the final nail in the coffin of Canadian Airlines. Swoop pilots took jobs advertised and on par with Sunwing and Transat, perhaps even better since they had bonus and stocks. After multiple opportunities to take the flying in over a year WestJet pilots are back to square one....all these misplaced anger and ramblings just show poor taste and lack of professionalism.
It’s not too often I call someone out for being a complete idiot, but you are, where do I even begin with that post. WTF does Jazz have to do with Swoop or any thing else for that matter?
Yes, Encore was the first to lower the REGIONAL bar and yes WJ lowered the bar years ago but they are trying to stop it now, you get that moron, should they have just let WJ management do an end run around the already secured scope language.
Next, as a Captain at Jazz, I’m making more per hour than what they are paying swoop Captains, not including anything else, like stock matching, pension, benefits and per diems. I have 76 seats behind me and they have 189 seats behind them yet I make more, how in the world can anyone defend that!
So again, WTF does Jazz have to do with this conversation? How about the SR pilots who lowered the regional bar and then not having done enough damage applied to Swoop to lower the Mainline bar, do you blame them at all or are you one of those scumbags.
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mbav8r wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:56 am
cloak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:08 am
Schooner69A wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:20 pm WestJet pilots calling Swoop pilots "scabs" has got to be one of the finer examples of irony ever posited. It will probably appear in the 2020 edition of Funk and Wagnalls and possibly the OED...
Indeed, mob mentality at its best... and quite ironic since Jazz and Encore lowered the standard much more, not to mention WestJet itself that arguably drove the final nail in the coffin of Canadian Airlines. Swoop pilots took jobs advertised and on par with Sunwing and Transat, perhaps even better since they had bonus and stocks. After multiple opportunities to take the flying in over a year WestJet pilots are back to square one....all these misplaced anger and ramblings just show poor taste and lack of professionalism.
It’s not too often I call someone out for being a complete idiot, but you are, where do I even begin with that post. WTF does Jazz have to do with Swoop or any thing else for that matter?
Yes, Encore was the first to lower the REGIONAL bar and yes WJ lowered the bar years ago but they are trying to stop it now, you get that moron, should they have just let WJ management do an end run around the already secured scope language.
Next, as a Captain at Jazz, I’m making more per hour than what they are paying swoop Captains, not including anything else, like stock matching, pension, benefits and per diems. I have 76 seats behind me and they have 189 seats behind them yet I make more, how in the world can anyone defend that!
So again, WTF does Jazz have to do with this conversation? How about the SR pilots who lowered the regional bar and then not having done enough damage applied to Swoop to lower the Mainline bar, do you blame them at all or are you one of those scumbags.
If you are a captain at Jazz, act like a Captain. You get no where insulting people and throwing little tantrums.

Just the same as the WestJet pilots got absolutely nowhere with the swoop pay doing exactly what you are doing now.
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Looking at Jazz payscales, it takes 13 years for a captain to make 103$/hour which is year 1 at Swoop.
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Re: The End of the WPDL Confirmed

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Seems like my comments touched some raw nerves which just proved my point! Much of the ramblings comes from "other" pilots who forget their own contributions to the profession...it is what it is, they're just cogs in the wheel, we get it, but those living in glass houses should not throw stones....nuff said!
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wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:49 am
wrote: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:34 am Only if you are not a professional
Easy enough to say, would you let the guy who slept with your wife sit in your jumpseat...
Well, one would hope that all can be rational adults and discover the root cause for such action and at the end of the day treat "the wife" not as property but as an individual with feelings and reasons for the things that she does. I've read zealot comments like this and frankly they frighten me. I say this not to demean anyone which is why I removed even the anonymous handles, rather to provide a pause and an opportunity for some reflection that EVEN in a case of marital infidelity, there are underlying reasons and one, as difficult as it may be, must behave rationally and with humanity and respect people for their choices.

At any rate, much has been said about the coveted "jumpseat" and it's funny how we always go back to childhood instincts not to share our toys with other kids and certainly that is one way to lead one's life. I'm not the type to hold a grudge for any length of time so if a WestJet pilot asks for a jumpseat and I can give it in accordance with company policy, I will be happy to oblige. A Swoop pilot on the other hand, I will go out of my way to give a royal treatment! People show character in adversity and they have dealt with undeserved antagonism and bullying with poise and magnanimity. Over and out!!
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