New North Star Basler Accident (Number 3)

[digits_]

Is that captain still working for the company?

[BTD]

Is that captain still working for the company?

If he wrecks another airplane he gets a set of steak knives… I think.

[TeePeeCreeper]

The “Meatball Mexican ILS approach” lives on in NWONT!

Steak knives you say^^^? Nah that’s ditty is worthy of a set of Ginsu knives at the very least!

In all seriousness, WTF is it going to take to stop this crap from happening? TC, where the F’ are you?!?

[bcflyer]

I’m a bit confused. I read the accident report. It looked like the plane was IFR equipped. Why didn’t they just do the IFR approach? I get that they filed VFR and shouldn’t have been on top to start with but nobody would have known if they did the approach….

[Minimums]

Ahh, good old NWO.

Fly VfR so you don’t have to take IFR gas, thus, more fuel/groceries and profit. Besides, less paperwork, less radio work, less Bs and more legs per day. The fact that TC doesn’t know this has been the status quo up there for 20+ years shows the level of incompetence of our government organizations to properly oversee it’s own regulatory structure. Wait until they find out no one from big trout to someones beaver EVER deicies anything during the shoulder seasons, or even worse, that R. Stewart’s (NWO’s worst offender) has a hair style that belongs back in the 80’s with his ego.

Good to see some things will never change, and that some cockroaches will never die.

[RockSalty]

The fact that TC doesn’t know this has been the status quo up there for 20+ years shows the level of incompetence of our government organizations to properly oversee it’s own regulatory structure.

Don't know or don't care? I'm not convinced that anyone at TC gives enough of a shit to actually do their jobs

[FL030]

I’m a bit confused. I read the accident report. It looked like the plane was IFR equipped. Why didn’t they just do the IFR approach? I get that they filed VFR and shouldn’t have been on top to start with but nobody would have known if they did the approach….

It doesn't matter what approach you do if you are going to do a circling maneuver at 100' in low vis. That's just asking for it. Realize you screwed up and either try again or go home.

[Minimums]

The fact that TC doesn’t know this has been the status quo up there for 20+ years shows the level of incompetence of our government organizations to properly oversee it’s own regulatory structure.

Don't know or don't care? I'm not convinced that anyone at TC gives enough of a shit to actually do their jobs

Only until politics get involved, which up there, is not often.

[bcflyer]

I’m a bit confused. I read the accident report. It looked like the plane was IFR equipped. Why didn’t they just do the IFR approach? I get that they filed VFR and shouldn’t have been on top to start with but nobody would have known if they did the approach….

It doesn't matter what approach you do if you are going to do a circling maneuver at 100' in low vis. That's just asking for it. Realize you screwed up and either try again or go home.

My point was that if you did the IFR approach you wouldn’t need to be doing a circling maneuver at 100’ You’d be lined up straight in.

[‘Bob’]

I’m a bit confused. I read the accident report. It looked like the plane was IFR equipped. Why didn’t they just do the IFR approach? I get that they filed VFR and shouldn’t have been on top to start with but nobody would have known if they did the approach….

It doesn't matter what approach you do if you are going to do a circling maneuver at 100' in low vis. That's just asking for it. Realize you screwed up and either try again or go home.

My point was that if you did the IFR approach you wouldn’t need to be doing a circling maneuver at 100’ You’d be lined up straight in.

Hahaha. This is so true!

Gonna bust through a cloud layer going up? Yeah. Bust through a cloud layer going down? Yeah. Since we are illegally IMC anyways and it’s uncontrolled.. do an instrument approach to secondary minimums since we are equipped and trained and current? Hell no!

[pelmet]

I’m a bit confused. I read the accident report. It looked like the plane was IFR equipped. Why didn’t they just do the IFR approach? I get that they filed VFR and shouldn’t have been on top to start with but nobody would have known if they did the approach….

It doesn't matter what approach you do if you are going to do a circling maneuver at 100' in low vis. That's just asking for it. Realize you screwed up and either try again or go home.

My point was that if you did the IFR approach you wouldn’t need to be doing a circling maneuver at 100’ You’d be lined up straight in.

You are correct. If you have decided to do an illegal approach with the intention of getting it, you might as well do it in the most intelligent manner possible. Why circle at a very low altitude when you can do a straight in approach on a stable descent path. I guess sometimes, people want to go down through a hole near the airport in a hope that it will work out better.

Some pilots up north may even have made a habit of doing straight-in home-made GPS approaches back in the day in order to avoid the maneuvering required from situation of the published approaches all requiring circling, whether to the opposite direction for landing or a 45 degree heading change to line up. Perhaps that situation of only having circling approaches doesn't exist anymore.

[I WAS Pez]

Yeah, I couldn't get over that either. There was a perfectly good RNAV approach available to them. Legalities aside...WHY would you OBS the airport and go for the M-ILS approach and extremely low level manoeuvring??? Even if you're going to be doing illegal BS IFR without legal fuel, clearances, etc, presumably you'd still want to get on the ground safely.... And there was a usable RNAV approach to the runway they wanted. So.... what am I missing here???? And for 250 lbs they could have actually gone IFR legally! WHY!?!?!?!

On the rest of the report; horrifying and entirely unsurprising, from what I've seen/heard of them going back the last few years....everything is always VFR and git 'er done.

[Luigi Vampa]

Ahh, good old NWO.

Fly VfR so you don’t have to take IFR gas, thus, more fuel/groceries and profit. Besides, less paperwork, less radio work, less Bs and more legs per day. The fact that TC doesn’t know this has been the status quo up there for 20+ years shows the level of incompetence of our government organizations to properly oversee it’s own regulatory structure. Wait until they find out no one from big trout to someones beaver EVER deicies anything during the shoulder seasons, or even worse, that R. Stewart’s (NWO’s worst offender) has a hair style that belongs back in the 80’s with his ego.

Good to see some things will never change, and that some cockroaches will never die.

Haven't seen him since 2011. Is he still rocking that coiffe? Anyone got pics?