Porter Airlines shifts restart of flights date to June 29

[alkaseltzer]

That restart date may be accelerated if Jazz starts operations out of the island soon.

[rudder]

That restart date may be accelerated if Jazz starts operations out of the island soon.

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for AC to resume YTZ operations.

Same timeframe - after Labour Day. At best.

[sanjet]

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for AC to resume YTZ operations.

Same timeframe - after Labour Day. At best.

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

[rudder]

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

Nope.

[NotDirty!]

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

Nope.

That’s the date according to the AC website.

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Of course that is subject to change, but I haven’t heard an un-announcement yet.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

Nope.

That’s the date according to the AC website. 154B4F68-5300-4BEA-A031-8C31D5203C22.jpeg
Of course that is subject to change, but I haven’t heard an un-announcement yet.

It'll be cancelled at the last minute due to a last minute modification to restrictions from the Ford government.

[sanjet]

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

Nope.

Thanks, I’ll call AC management and tell them to cancel the flights.

[Inverted2]

Nope.

That’s the date according to the AC website. 154B4F68-5300-4BEA-A031-8C31D5203C22.jpeg
Of course that is subject to change, but I haven’t heard an un-announcement yet.

It'll be cancelled at the last minute due to a last minute modification to restrictions from the Ford government.

This.

We should be smack dab in the 4th wave by then!

[genetic jack hammer]

That’s the date according to the AC website. 154B4F68-5300-4BEA-A031-8C31D5203C22.jpeg
Of course that is subject to change, but I haven’t heard an un-announcement yet.

It'll be cancelled at the last minute due to a last minute modification to restrictions from the Ford government.

This.

We should be smack dab in the 4th wave by then!

…with pre-planning for the 5th and 6th being well underway, by the Ford regime…

[alkaseltzer]

Nope.

That’s the date according to the AC website. 154B4F68-5300-4BEA-A031-8C31D5203C22.jpeg
Of course that is subject to change, but I haven’t heard an un-announcement yet.

It'll be cancelled at the last minute due to a last minute modification to restrictions from the Ford government.

Rob Ford (Doug Ford's deceased brother) was a big supporter of the Island airport and Bob Deluce.

You may be onto something.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

…with pre-planning for the 5th and 6th being well underway, by the Ford regime…

I know you're joking, but that's the stupidest thing I've seen yet today.

Implying that this is a 'plandemic' is beyond stupid, but also believing that the Ford government is capable of creating and following a plan.

[Tolip]

I think this is actually going to be the last time porter pushes back its reopening. Sure, the travel outlook by end july will still be pretty bleak in the maritimes and canada/us but i believe that in the months that follow you will begin to see demand ramping up. And the thing everyone needs to remember is that Poter has been shut down for over a year, and every dispatcher/pilot/trainer/FA is not current at this time, plus all their aircraft are in storage mode. This means that porters reopening will be a very slow one, with many things to do. Could take them months and months b4 they could ramp up to meet demand which is why I believe they will reopen in July, very modestly; and begin the process. Because at this time every forecaster is expecting a steep ramp up in demand from fall to winter and they will want to be ready for that.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

I think this is actually going to be the last time porter pushes back its reopening.

Do we know how they're doing fiscally?

[Grey_Wolf]

From what I've heard ...

Once the "green light" is pushed on the official restart date, 8 weeks prior is when the ball will get rolling. Porter has stated that the restart will depend on border restrictions, vaccinations, and market demand. So IF Porter plans on restarting at the end of July, then next week pilots can expect a recall letter. Not likely at this point. Thanksgiving is my prediction, although I wouldn't be surprised if it Christmas 2021.

As for their financial situation, it's been asked to the CEO a few times, how long can Porter stay dormant. The answer has always been political in nature, saying that we in a good financial position post terminal sale and that they could stay closed till the end of the year 2021; but after that it could be a little more difficult to get going. It's also been mentioned that the restart will be very small in the start ramping up as required. There is a plan for 'international' and 'domestic only' pending on the landscape

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

From what I've heard ...

Once the "green light" is pushed on the official restart date, 8 weeks prior is when the ball will get rolling. Porter has stated that the restart will depend on border restrictions, vaccinations, and market demand. So IF Porter plans on restarting at the end of July, then next week pilots can expect a recall letter. Not likely at this point. Thanksgiving is my prediction, although I wouldn't be surprised if it Christmas 2021.

As for their financial situation, it's been asked to the CEO a few times, how long can Porter stay dormant. The answer has always been political in nature, saying that we in a good financial position post terminal sale and that they could stay closed till the end of the year 2021; but after that it could be a little more difficult to get going. It's also been mentioned that the restart will be very small in the start ramping up as required. There is a plan for 'international' and 'domestic only' pending on the landscape

Porter will always be the outcast in Q400 flying in Canada (who uses flap 40 for every landing?), but I hope that they have an speedy and uneventful resumption to service.

[rudder]

AC is starting flights out of YTZ June 21 i believe.

Nope.

Thanks, I’ll call AC management and tell them to cancel the flights.

Try booking an AC code flight out of YTZ prior to July 20.

Maybe next time you will believe me.

[sanjet]

Try booking an AC code flight out of YTZ prior to July 20.

Maybe next time you will believe me.

My apologies for doubting you.

[rudder]

Try booking an AC code flight out of YTZ prior to July 20.

Maybe next time you will believe me.

My apologies for doubting you.

Don’t worry. Not trying to be snippy. I only posted it because I knew it was the case.

No idea if July 20 YTZ start date will stick. Should know in 2 weeks. Regardless, AC will not start up unless Porter is starting up. Perhaps best guidance then would be to see if Porter updates its startup date.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

According to the AC website, they haven't sold a single (assigned) seat on any of the flights on the 20th.

[FL030]

It looks like Porter is now stating it can no longer operate profitably out of the island.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2021/06/por ... t-toronto/

[rudder]

Gee, PAH didn’t seem to mind cashing the big cheque from Nieuport several years ago. Seller’s remorse?

[flyingcanuck]

It looks like Porter is now stating it can no longer operate profitably out of the island.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2021/06/por ... t-toronto/

God I hope they don't get screwed. We need more competition and they are a good company

[330heavy]

It looks like Porter is now stating it can no longer operate profitably out of the island.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2021/06/por ... t-toronto/

God I hope they don't get screwed. We need more competition and they are a good company

Agreed. Definitely looking like the E175-E2 is for them to restart under a new entity in YYZ where it's apparently cheaper. In the end, hopefully this all works out for the best for the Porter folk.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

It looks like Porter is now stating it can no longer operate profitably out of the island.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2021/06/por ... t-toronto/

God I hope they don't get screwed. We need more competition and they are a good company

Agreed. Definitely looking like the E175-E2 is for them to restart under a new entity in YYZ where it's apparently cheaper. In the end, hopefully this all works out for the best for the Porter folk.

Either way, there is no expansion at the island without jets. A switch to YYZ makes sense.

[Loon-A-Tic]

I'm afraid Porter will have a tough go of it once they leave the "safety" of CYTZ. I'm sure both AC and Westjet will bring out the big guns if deemed necessary in response to any perceived threat.