Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions

[2R]

The Russians are going to announce their new vaccine next week . They are claiming another Sputnik moment .
The Chinese have vaccinated some of their military .
The big question will be ; Which vaccine might you trust ? Or would you wait until the very confused flip flopper fauci approves the nanotechnology implant version ?

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Poutine all the way. After the vaccine you may turn water into vodka with a stare only!

[pelmet]

Looks like Greece can be removed from the list as well. Maybe stick to Greek restaurants in Canada. Hardly any cases in Windsor yet still in stage 2. I’m sure the restaurant owners there don’t want airlines profiting on Covid tourists.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thesun. ... -high/amp/

Faroe Islands can stay on the list though.

Meanwhile in Germany.......

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.com ... e-53622797

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Looks like Greece can be removed from the list as well. Maybe stick to Greek restaurants in Canada. Hardly any cases in Windsor yet still in stage 2. I’m sure the restaurant owners there don’t want airlines profiting on Covid tourists.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thesun. ... -high/amp/

Faroe Islands can stay on the list though.

Meanwhile in Germany.......

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.com ... e-53622797

Grece has one third of Canada's population.

Grece had a grand total of 212 Covid deaths. They have an average of 1 death per day this week......

Canada had 9000 deaths and averages 7 deaths per day these days


Germany has two and half times Canada's population

They had 9000 deaths and average 3 deaths per day this week.

Take a deep breath and try Camomille tea

[RRJetPilot]

Or maybe he should just lock himself in a bunker and cut off his internet connection. That would be best for society I think.
I understand this virus could be potentially dangerous for a very small minority of people but the solution is not lockdown the world.
God forbid a real pandemic hits, we will be so tired of this one we won’t take a real one seriously and many more people will die.

There is a YouTube channel about criminal physiology that although about a different topic, hit the nail on the head on why the media is sensationalizing a lot of stories. Creating fear where there shouldn’t be. I will post the link below, the first couple minutes is the important part.

https://youtu.be/eJt_afGN3IQ

[doiwannabeapilot]

"God forbid a real pandemic hits,"

I've wondered......what if this was a pandemic where 30% of the population died !
I can't even begin to think how the world would react.

or.......what if we did not have 24 hour news availability and the internet.
And you could only get a grasp of what was happening by what you saw in your community or friends/family/coworkers.

Or maybe he should just lock himself in a bunker and cut off his internet connection. That would be best for society I think.
I understand this virus could be potentially dangerous for a very small minority of people but the solution is not lockdown the world.
God forbid a real pandemic hits, we will be so tired of this one we won’t take a real one seriously and many more people will die.

There is a YouTube channel about criminal physiology that although about a different topic, hit the nail on the head on why the media is sensationalizing a lot of stories. Creating fear where there shouldn’t be. I will post the link below, the first couple minutes is the important part.

https://youtu.be/eJt_afGN3IQ

[pelmet]

Looks like Greece can be removed from the list as well. Maybe stick to Greek restaurants in Canada. Hardly any cases in Windsor yet still in stage 2. I’m sure the restaurant owners there don’t want airlines profiting on Covid tourists.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thesun. ... -high/amp/

Faroe Islands can stay on the list though.

Meanwhile in Germany.......

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.com ... e-53622797

Grece has one third of Canada's population.

Grece had a grand total of 212 Covid deaths. They have an average of 1 death per day this week......

Canada had 9000 deaths and averages 7 deaths per day these days


Germany has two and half times Canada's population

They had 9000 deaths and average 3 deaths per day this week.

Take a deep breath and try Camomille tea

It is the other Canadians who are the bunker hiders(a term used by the previous poster). I think the policy should just be to quarantine the vulnerable and get on with life. But that is not what our leaders do and the majority of folks support their action of shutdowns.

I’m not interested in ending up like Australia, (a new lockdown means you have to stay very close to home in one city), so keep the borders shut as long as our politicians have their current beliefs. If our airlines go bankrupt, new ones will pop up.

And eventually we will be back to the way it was with new carriers and boom times again. Perhaps in 5 years.

[pelmet]

New Zealand starts locking down again......

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ne ... d=msedgdhp

Is this the model we will follow. If so, we don't need cases coming in from Europe resulting the whole country(or even a whole province) facing increased restrictions due to a few cases, after having gotten down to few or no cases.

This scenario could easily happen with heath 'experts' in power completely unconcerned with the overall economy/thousands of individual businesses and just obsessing over no Covid. Keep the quarantine for Europe, at least until we have a clear picture on what results in more restrictions.

[garfield]

NZ, I was dreaming about going there and have a normal life

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

New Zealand starts locking down again......

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ne ... d=msedgdhp

Is this the model we will follow. If so, we don't need cases coming in from Europe resulting the whole country(or even a whole province) facing increased restrictions due to a few cases, after having gotten down to few or no cases.

This scenario could easily happen with heath 'experts' in power completely unconcerned with the overall economy/thousands of individual businesses and just obsessing over no Covid. Keep the quarantine for Europe, at least until we have a clear picture on what results in more restrictions.

Absolute retardation. The initial goal was to "flatten the curve". Now ppl go full lockdown for a cases...

Fuking tired of this shit.

[Aviatard]

Absolute retardation. The initial goal was to "flatten the curve". Now ppl go full lockdown for a cases...

Fuking tired of this shit.

So there goes your plan to move to NZ and raise some sheeple I suppose?

[Inverted2]

NZ, I was dreaming about going there and have a normal life

No normal life there comrade. Dictatorship. The sheeple will have less freedoms then their sheep.

[fishface]

Perfect way to control us since the start of this nonsense. They say jump, we ask how high.

[RRJetPilot]

How bad is COVID really? (A Swedish doctor’s perspective)

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/08/0 ... ssion=true

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Absolute retardation. The initial goal was to "flatten the curve". Now ppl go full lockdown for a cases...

Fuking tired of this shit.

So there goes your plan to move to NZ and raise some sheeple I suppose?

Haha absolutely not. Didn't what I say is the narrative pushed around the world since all this began?

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

How bad is COVID really? (A Swedish doctor’s perspective)

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/08/0 ... ssion=true

Good read.

[fishface]

Good read indeed. We need a fucking reality check.

[pelmet]

Here is the latest.....Europe has the virus spreading.....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/co ... d=msedgdhp

Plus.......

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/brit ... index.html

"The rule change, which came into force at 4 a.m. BST Saturday, also applies to those traveling to the UK from the Netherlands, Monaco, Malta, Turks and Caicos Islands and Aruba."

Seeing as the original post mentioned following the UK example, it appears that these countries can be taken off of AC's list as well.

Grece has one third of Canada's population.

Grece had a grand total of 212 Covid deaths. They have an average of 1 death per day this week......

Canada had 9000 deaths and averages 7 deaths per day these days


Germany has two and half times Canada's population

They had 9000 deaths and average 3 deaths per day this week.

Take a deep breath and try Camomille tea

I suspect that Greece will be added to the list as well in the future.

[pelmet]

Maybe AC needs to be grounded.... "Just this week, public health officials in Waterloo warned that travel-related cases made up 18 per cent of new infections reported in the region last month, with most of those in individuals who had travelled to the United States."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/tra ... d=msedgdhp

Air Canada is promoting the availability of both “leisure and business” flights to the United States even as that country continues to record explosive growth of coronavirus cases and as federal travel advisories continue to warn against any non-essential travel out of the country.

A recording on the airline’s customer booking telephone line plays the following message:

“Are you eager to reunite with friends and relatives in the U.S? Did you know that Canadians are permitted to travel by air to or from the U.S. for leisure or business? Review our step-by-step guide available on aircanada.com/travelguidelines to see what to expect while travelling.”

Canada has barred all incoming travel from the U.S. by land except in cases where doing so is deemed essential, and does not bar Canadians or eligible American citizens from travelling by air between the two countries.

The U.S., on the other hand, has a prohibition on non-essential entry at land borders but does not prohibit any incoming arrivals from Canada by air for any reason.

The conflicting rules have been described as a loophole and infectious disease experts are warning that since many Canadians likely are not aware the loophole exists, promoting it may have the effect of encouraging travel that puts Canadians at risk of bringing the virus home with them.

“We’re in the time of a pandemic and that sort of undermines all the public health measures in place,” said Dr. Anna Banerji, an infectious disease and global health specialist at the University of Toronto.

“The States are having 100 deaths a day due to the pandemic and it's completely out of control. So to have Canadians go down there for leisure purposes in the middle of a pandemic, it seems to be very unethical and I think that Air Canada really needs to look at what they're doing.”

Air Canada defended its telephone line message in a statement to Global News and said even though government restrictions have caused a “virtual industry shutdown,” the airline has kept up basic operations and that activities like family reunification fall under the classification of leisure travel.

“This has made it possible to ship necessary cargo (including PPE, vital medical goods, essential machinery for business and perishable foods), repatriate Canadians abroad and facilitate required business travel and family reunifications (which are classed as leisure travel),” wrote Peter Fitzpatrick, spokesperson for the airline, in an email.

The Canadian government does not define non-essential travel and instead states that “it is up to the individual to decide what constitutes ‘non-essential travel,’ based on family or business requirements, knowledge of a country or region, and other factors.”

“Recognizing the importance of these services, government regulations for transborder travel specifically make allowances for people to fly between Canada and the U.S.”

He continued: “As a responsible corporation, Air Canada has put in place industry-leading biosafety measures to protect customers and employees travelling with us.”

The Canadian government did change some rules regarding family reunification in June: those changes exempted inbound foreign nationals who are “immediate family members” of Canadians from the ban on non-essential incoming travel.

It makes no mention of reuniting with friends.

Canadians returning from abroad must quarantine for 14 days.

They are required to provide an address and contact information upon re-entering the country and authorities can follow up by phone or in person to ensure they are respecting the quarantine.

Those who break their mandatory quarantine can face maximum penalties up to $750,000 and/or jail months in jail.

Dr. Craig Jenne, an associate professor in the University of Calgary’s department of microbiology, immunology and infectious diseases, said while it’s true airlines are taking many safety precautions to reduce the risk of the virus spreading, much of the risk comes from activities on either end of the flight.

“Just as anything else, especially with COVID, there is no such thing as perfectly safe,” he said.

Just this week, public health officials in Waterloo warned that travel-related cases made up 18 per cent of new infections reported in the region last month, with most of those in individuals who had travelled to the United States.

The United States is the global epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak with cases raging across the country and more than five million cases recorded to date.

More than 150,000 Americans have died so far.

The travel advice right now from the federal government warns Canadians against leaving the country for any non-essential reasons, even where it is possible.

“Avoid non-essential travel outside Canada until further notice,” the travel advisory states.

“While some countries are partially opening their borders, we continue to advise against non-essential travel outside of Canada.”

The U.S. regulations restricting land border crossings define non-essential travel as "travel that is considered tourism or recreational in nature."

Essential travel refers to "work and study, critical infrastructure support, economic services and supply chains, health, immediate medical care, and safety and security."

However, those definitions do not apply in the case of entry by air, rail or sea travel as the U.S. places no restrictions on that under the land border regulations.

Dr. Zain Chagla, an associate professor in McMaster University’s department of medicine and an infectious disease specialist, said he understands the airlines are hurting.

“But at this time, as much as we're dealing with COVID in Canada, the biggest risk for us in Canada for COVID is the rest of the world coming back to Canada,” he said.

Chagla noted the issue will likely come up in other forums as both airlines and other organizations make overtures to lure Canadians, who are viewed as relatively low-risk travelers due to the containment of the virus domestically so far.

“It’s not just airlines, it’s other organizations,” he said.

“There probably should be some social responsibility here in the sense that the border is closed for non-essential travel … but similarly, the messaging should also be coming not necessarily from the private corporations, but from public health and other agencies really to discourage [non-essential] travel.”

Global News asked Transport Minister Marc Garneau and Public Safety Minister Bill Blair why the government has not banned non-essential air travel to the U.S. outright and whether the government believes promoting the existence of an air travel loophole is responsible.

Blair's office referred questions to Global Affairs Canada, which said in a statement that Canadians are "strongly advised" to follow their recommendation to avoid non-essential travel, but that the responsibility is up to travellers.

"While our Government continues to recommend that Canadians avoid non-essential international travel, we recognize that safe and secure air travel is critical for Canadians to connect with loved ones and for those who rely on it to support their businesses," said a spokesperson for Garneau.

"For information on airline operations, I invite you to contact them directly."

[pelmet]

Almost 4000 new cases in France in one day. Do we want our airlines going there......


https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fra ... 676384068/

Have you changed you mind yet Gilles.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

I don’t understand what you do not understand.

Look at the death numbers for France

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/france/

I does not matter that there were 4000, 40,000 or 400,000 people who tested positive.

No one is dying from it and the hospitals have no COVID cases. It’s over In France. Like in Canada.

Stop looking at COVID cases. Concentrate on COVID DEATHS.

In the US people are dying of COVID. In Brazil people are dying of COVID. Even in Mexico.

Not in EUROPE.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Almost 4000 new cases in France in one day. Do we want our airlines going there......


https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fra ... 676384068/

Have you changed you mind yet Gilles.

Ok, take the time to look at this Live interview, in Spain, By a Spanish TV Station with an ER Doctor in a Spanish Hospital.

The Anchorwoman was being like you, hysterical, asking the doctor about an alarming situation, that she had heard there had been 654 new cases, That the hospitals were full and that it was a catastrophe and that we were all going to die.

The Doctor was making every effort to tell the Anchorwoman that although there were people in the streets testing people and recording positive cases, these positive cases were not showing up in hospitals or morgues and that the situation was not at all as the TV station was attempting to portray.

She insisted. He stood his ground.

You are acting just like her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

Please listen to the whole interviews and then please stop your alarmist posts unless it is about a country where people are dying and hospitals are full. And back it up with data. Not news article of the calibre of that Spanish TV Station.

[altiplano]

That Dr is my new hero. He stood up and called it all out...

"We've lost control of this interview" the journalist says! Indeed they want to control their message of fear.

We need to inoculate against fear the frontline Dr says.

[pelmet]

I don’t understand what you do not understand.

Look at the death numbers for France

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/france/

I does not matter that there were 4000, 40,000 or 400,000 people who tested positive.

No one is dying from it and the hospitals have no COVID cases. It’s over In France. Like in Canada.

Stop looking at COVID cases. Concentrate on COVID DEATHS.

In the US people are dying of COVID. In Brazil people are dying of COVID. Even in Mexico.

Not in EUROPE.

I have every expectation that Canadian governments will shut down economies based on cases, not deaths. We still have major employers like CasinoRama are still closed with all those people out of work....because of Covid cases. And according to this article........

Two-thirds of Canadians support closing businesses again if COVID-19 cases spike: survey

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/two-third ... -1.5011280

So understand that we don't need you and your airline bringing in more cases. Because I understand what will happen if you do.

I am hysterical about what the politicians will do(and are doing to be honest). I believe I read about another 37 billion Justin dollars announced today. It happens so often, I don't even read the details anymore of what it is for despite exceeding, or close to exceeding last years deficit.

[pelmet]

Another nice thing will be if we can get the cases to zero for a while, we can stop wearing these damn masks.