Take the vaccine, or lose your job - WTF?

[altiplano]

And if he, you or I get severely sick from this experimental gene therapy, that you all call "vaccine", who will cover the "bill" for his, yours or mine family? Will AC, Union or the Government? Very unlikely... And what if he, you or I die...? Who covers the loss for our families?

Has anyone looked into their company health coverage fine print to see if you are covered if you get side effects from the vaccine and lose your medical?

You're more likely to lose your medical due to long term side effects from the virus than you every would be from any of the vaccines. Source my CAME when I asked him.

Stop trying to shoehorn every narrative you can think of.

It's a valid concern.

Long covid is unlikely, in fact most cases of Covid go undetected.
Those that do, most resolve with minor symptoms in a few days.
Those that don't most resolve shortly after that.
What's the fear about?
Young, healthy, safe cultural practises... there is nothing to be worried about... the chance of an adverse outcome is so so remote to be statistically insignificant.

Old? Unhealthy? Vulnerable? Scared?
Go get the vaccine, accept it's risk, again perhaps minimal from what we are TOLD, and feel safer... but don't push it on other reasonable, fair people who share a different risk tolerance, or different values from you...

[Inverted2]

And if he, you or I get severely sick from this experimental gene therapy, that you all call "vaccine", who will cover the "bill" for his, yours or mine family? Will AC, Union or the Government? Very unlikely... And what if he, you or I die...? Who covers the loss for our families?

Has anyone looked into their company health coverage fine print to see if you are covered if you get side effects from the vaccine and lose your medical?

You're more likely to lose your medical due to long term side effects from the virus than you every would be from any of the vaccines. Source my CAME when I asked him.

Stop trying to shoehorn every narrative you can think of.

Just asked a question buddy. You guys are completely brainwashed and have lost all logic and reasoning. Scary some of you are flying planes. I hope you never question your fuel loads or alternate weather because an “expert” did your flight planning and you should unequivocally trust them.

[QKZXKV]

Has anyone looked into their company health coverage fine print to see if you are covered if you get side effects from the vaccine and lose your medical?

You're more likely to lose your medical due to long term side effects from the virus than you every would be from any of the vaccines. Source my CAME when I asked him.

Stop trying to shoehorn every narrative you can think of.

Just asked a question buddy. You guys are completely brainwashed and have lost all logic and reasoning. Scary some of you are flying planes. I hope you never question your fuel loads or alternate weather because an “expert” did your flight planning and you should unequivocally trust them.

What an idiotic comparison. Yes I would question loads and fuel or whatever because I'm a trained airline transport pilot. What I am NOT is a CAME or any doctor for that matter. Therefore I do not pretend to be one like you obviously are. Part of being a professional is seeking correct information from those who know if you do not. Scary that you're flying planes (assuming you do).

[QKZXKV]

Has anyone looked into their company health coverage fine print to see if you are covered if you get side effects from the vaccine and lose your medical?

You're more likely to lose your medical due to long term side effects from the virus than you every would be from any of the vaccines. Source my CAME when I asked him.

Stop trying to shoehorn every narrative you can think of.

It's a valid concern.

Long covid is unlikely, in fact most cases of Covid go undetected.
Those that do, most resolve with minor symptoms in a few days.
Those that don't most resolve shortly after that.
What's the fear about?
Young, healthy, safe cultural practises... there is nothing to be worried about... the chance of an adverse outcome is so so remote to be statistically insignificant.


Old? Unhealthy? Vulnerable? Scared?
Go get the vaccine, accept it's risk, again perhaps minimal from what we are TOLD, and feel safer... but don't push it on other reasonable, fair people who share a different risk tolerance, or different values from you...

Lol, not pushing anything, I'm just commenting on what a professional who has control over my career has told me (my CAME).

[montado]

I think the data is pretty clear. If you are an adult the risk of the vaccine is lower than the risk of covid.

We will see with the under 12 age group. My thoughts right now is it doesn't need to be approved for that age group. The risk of covid is very low to them. However some parents are hysterical and demanding vaccines for those under 12.

[montado]

https://tnc.news/2021/08/26/cbc-says-va ... s-to-make/

CBC Say's vaccines are a personal choice! . @#$! these guys, they are responsible for the constant push of fear. Why don't they all join the mandatory vaccine club!

[TG]

Long covid is unlikely, in fact most cases of Covid go undetected.
Those that do, most resolve with minor symptoms in a few days.
Those that don't most resolve shortly after that.
What's the fear about?
Young, healthy, safe cultural practises... there is nothing to be worried about... the chance of an adverse outcome is so so remote to be statistically insignificant.

Old? Unhealthy? Vulnerable? Scared?
Go get the vaccine, accept it's risk, again perhaps minimal from what we are TOLD, and feel safer... but don't push it on other reasonable, fair people who share a different risk tolerance, or different values from you...

I am sure you are a very good car driver. Would you still buy an insurance on it assuming it wasn't mandatory?


About the guy saying:

I also don't understand if the vaccine protects you why everyone is afraid of the people without it.

The more a virus is transmitted the more it can mutate. The more it mutate the more it can rend a vaccin obsolete.
If a vaccin becomes obsolete--->It's back to square one or worst. No need of a PhD in Virology to figure that one out.

[montado]

The more a virus is transmitted the more it can mutate. The more it mutate the more it can rend a vaccin obsolete.
If a vaccin becomes obsolete--->It's back to square one or worst. No need of a PhD in Virology to figure that one out.

Are you okay with the fact vaccine manufacturers and government have blocked others from producing the vax to get this out to the world faster? If your statement is correct, the best thing would be to get as much vaccine out around the world as fast as possible correct? Our tax dollars funded these vaccines and now government is allowing these companies to hold on to them and meter production rather than allow generic doses to be produced. What does this say about public health? It must mean that financial gains come before giving a shit about mutations. Is our government literally setting us up to be exposed to more mutations for financial gain?

[Rooster69]

Wow, you are trying to discredit the recepient of Nobel Prize award using twitter, Reuters?? I didn't give this guy an award, but the entire global community of brains way smarter then you and I... How old are you kid, twelve?

This forum is becoming worse then twitter... I give up, just keep tuning into your daily dose of cbc news at 11..

You got that right. I give up too. Done engaging with fucking idiots. Not enough time in life for this. Deleting my account here.

Or you can not read threads in the Covid section?!

[TG]

The more a virus is transmitted the more it can mutate. The more it mutate the more it can rend a vaccin obsolete.
If a vaccin becomes obsolete--->It's back to square one or worst. No need of a PhD in Virology to figure that one out.

Are you okay with the fact vaccine manufacturers and government have blocked others from producing the vax to get this out to the world faster? If your statement is correct, the best thing would be to get as much vaccine out around the world as fast as possible correct? Our tax dollars funded these vaccines and now government is allowing these companies to hold on to them and meter production rather than allow generic doses to be produced. What does this say about public health? It must mean that financial gains come before giving a shit about mutations. Is our government literally setting us up to be exposed to more mutations for financial gain?

You are absolutely right about "The best thing would be to get as much vaccine out around the world as fast as possible"
But calling fact "Manufacturers and government blocking others from producing the vaccin to get it out faster!?" Not sure where you picked up that impression. It was more a battle of who would get those first.
Also some countries in Europe were quite angry at Pfizer-BioNTech last January for temporary slowing down their shipment to them (Due to.....production upgrades!)

[altiplano]

Long covid is unlikely, in fact most cases of Covid go undetected.
Those that do, most resolve with minor symptoms in a few days.
Those that don't most resolve shortly after that.
What's the fear about?
Young, healthy, safe cultural practises... there is nothing to be worried about... the chance of an adverse outcome is so so remote to be statistically insignificant.

Old? Unhealthy? Vulnerable? Scared?
Go get the vaccine, accept it's risk, again perhaps minimal from what we are TOLD, and feel safer... but don't push it on other reasonable, fair people who share a different risk tolerance, or different values from you...

I am sure you are a very good car driver. Would you still buy an insurance on it assuming it wasn't mandatory?


About the guy saying:

I also don't understand if the vaccine protects you why everyone is afraid of the people without it.

The more a virus is transmitted the more it can mutate. The more it mutate the more it can rend a vaccin obsolete.
If a vaccin becomes obsolete--->It's back to square one or worst. No need of a PhD in Virology to figure that one out.

Except vaccinated individuals can still contract and pass the virus allowing it to mutate all the same.

This is a non-sterilising vaccine.

Breakthrough infections aren't just a rare occurrence, evidence is showing that you are just as easily infected whether vaccinated/non-vaccinated.

[photofly]

evidence is showing that you are just as easily infected whether vaccinated/non-vaccinated.

That is the precise opposite of the truth.

[altiplano]

evidence is showing that you are just as easily infected whether vaccinated/non-vaccinated.

That is the precise opposite of the truth.

No it's not.

This vaccine is non-sterilizing and while you may not display significant symptoms, or be completely asymptomatically, you can still contract and pass the virus the same as asymptomatic unvaccinated individual can.

[photofly]

This vaccine is non-sterilizing and while you may not display significant symptoms, or be completely asymptomatically, you can still contract and pass the virus the same as asymptomatic unvaccinated individual can.

You are arguing two different things and treating them as if they are the same, which they are not.

You can still be infected - even a single breakthrough infection anywhere in the world would make that statement logically true - but are not equally likely to be infected, if you are vaccinated.

This is your claim:

evidence is showing that you are just as easily infected whether vaccinated/non-vaccinated.

(my emphasis)
Where is this evidence?

[ikarus]

The more a virus is transmitted the more it can mutate. The more it mutate the more it can rend a vaccin obsolete.
If a vaccin becomes obsolete--->It's back to square one or worst. No need of a PhD in Virology to figure that one out.

Are you okay with the fact vaccine manufacturers and government have blocked others from producing the vax to get this out to the world faster? If your statement is correct, the best thing would be to get as much vaccine out around the world as fast as possible correct? Our tax dollars funded these vaccines and now government is allowing these companies to hold on to them and meter production rather than allow generic doses to be produced. What does this say about public health? It must mean that financial gains come before giving a shit about mutations. Is our government literally setting us up to be exposed to more mutations for financial gain?

You are absolutely right about "The best thing would be to get as much vaccine out around the world as fast as possible"
But calling fact "Manufacturers and government blocking others from producing the vaccin to get it out faster!?" Not sure where you picked up that impression. It was more a battle of who would get those first.
Also some countries in Europe were quite angry at Pfizer-BioNTech last January for temporary slowing down their shipment to them (Due to.....production upgrades!)

You should google some 6 months ago, where Russia offered EU some ridiculous amount of Sputik doses to bridge that gap that you mentioned, but guess what, it was denied. Even though sputnik showed a very high percentage of effectiveness and small percent of side effects. Italy signed the deal to even produce them at home and EU was pissed!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanew ... cine%3famp

Why in North America there is no choice or Sputnik or Chinese vaccines? Is it because of the greater good and well being of its citizens or because someone is protecting their market share!? I know now in Europe many countries have a choice of up to 5 different manufacturers.

[photofly]

Because there is no supply chain to import drugs from those countries into any country in North America.

[ikarus]

If they can authorize the vax under Emergency Directive before it was fully tested, wouldn't it make sense to give people the chance to get their hands on any manufacturer in order to save lives and end the pandemic sooner!?! Imagine if C-19 was much deadlier in 2020 and people were dropping left ans right, while on the other side of the world people received on schedule over 5 different options of vaccines?? I'm pointing the question to FDA and Health Canada, not you personally..
It's all about money and it always was and it always will be unfortunately.

[blasted off]

Because there is no supply chain to import drugs from those countries into any country in North America.

WRONG...
Because Canada Pension Plan (CPP) fund is stakeholder at Moderna.

[Posthumane]

Health Canada and FDA can only grant approvals when manufactures apply for it and provide the appropriate data regarding their products. So far this does not appear to have happened with some of the other products. Although I can't see someone who is hesitant to accept the AZ or J&J vaccine jump on the sputnik vaccine since they use the same general mechanism of action. Sinovac et al have very little and inconsistent data available, and what is available shows the efficacy of generally worse and the rate of post vaccination infection higher than with what is available here.

[McKinley]

Ah yes, the ever changing “ science”

Funny, this will probably discredited as “ bad science” vs the “ good science” from Fauci, gates, Soros, Schwab.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08 ... ains-vital

It’s scary to realize that many are actually supporting totalitarianism. Not only that, but the followers of the propaganda have become more dangerous than the peddlers of the propaganda itself.

[McKinley]

evidence is showing that you are just as easily infected whether vaccinated/non-vaccinated.

That is the precise opposite of the truth.

No it's not.

This vaccine is non-sterilizing and while you may not display significant symptoms, or be completely asymptomatically, you can still contract and pass the virus the same as asymptomatic unvaccinated individual can.

Here ya go Altiplano …

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08 ... ains-vital

I agree that covid had become a religion.

[twa22]

So what are all you anti vaxxers going to do now that the vaccine is mandatory? Serious question, and don't dodge the question by spewing some anti covid rhetoric

And for the record, I'm against mandatory vaccination

[ikarus]

It's amazing that it has got to this point.... Not too many people will have the ability to fight this through to the end as they have huge debt and mortgages and credit cards to pay off...

Change of career I guess?

Ps. As of October, Isreal is NOT going to consider you vaccinated if you did not take the 3rd dose. The covid pass will not be valid.

When does this end?

[dhc#]

This will be the future.

[twa22]

It's amazing that it has got to this point.... Not too many people will have the ability to fight this through to the end as they have huge debt and mortgages and credit cards to pay off...

Change of career I guess?

Ps. As of October, Isreal is NOT going to consider you vaccinated if you did not take the 3rd dose. The covid pass will not be valid.

When does this end?

So do you work at an airline? And if you do and aren't vaxxed, are you going to give up what I assume is 6 figures for some anti vaccine stance and some pride?