FLAIR NOT PAYING PILOTS FOR WORK

[Tbayer2021]

AC and Lynx

False… AC yep. Lynx Nope. Why do you just make claims that can be easily disproven? I would put Porter as maybe the number 2. But that was mostly in a 6 month span over the summer/spring. The attrition to AC has been going on the 5 years I’ve been here nothing new. Flat pay be damned.

I know there are a number going to AC, but I have heard from Flair pilots that some have gone to Lynx and others to Porter, which doesn't totally surprise me. Are any going overseas? Sandbox is hiring again

It wouldn't surprise me that some are headed to Lynx. I would also expect that every single one of those that went to Lynx, did so for a DEC position. After all, the unheeded warnings about the quick upgrades at Flair not lasting forever have probably come true.

[Michel Myers]

Well unlike the majority making comments on this site about flair, I work here. So I comment based on the facts. The people we have lost to Lynx is minuscule. AC by far is where most have gone and yes some to Porter. But anyway back to your constant unsubstantiated opinions

[Michel Myers]

AC and Lynx

False… AC yep. Lynx Nope. Why do you just make claims that can be easily disproven? I would put Porter as maybe the number 2. But that was mostly in a 6 month span over the summer/spring. The attrition to AC has been going on the 5 years I’ve been here nothing new. Flat pay be damned.

I know there are a number going to AC, but I have heard from Flair pilots that some have gone to Lynx and others to Porter, which doesn't totally surprise me. Are any going overseas? Sandbox is hiring again

The post I responded to was the guy claiming the “majority are going to AC and Lynx”.AC takes the majority as “flying the flag” beats poverty wages for a few years for many. And yes a few gone overseas. Lynx isn’t in the majority at all. Again, like most claims on this forum regarding an airline that these people don’t work for, is false. I have never posted on this site until recently. I’ve silently watched many from other airlines hope for the demise of flair for years. One less airline in Canada isn’t good for anyone except shareholders and management types of the surviving companies. Feel free to shit on your companies competitors all you want, but at least post the truth.

[Tbayer2021]

Well unlike the majority making comments on this site about flair, I work here. So I comment based on the facts. The people we have lost to Lynx is minuscule. AC by far is where most have gone and yes some to Porter. But anyway back to your constant unsubstantiated opinions

So within two comments you went from claiming that no one was leaving for Lynx, to just a miniscule number. I don't think anyone is claiming that most are going there, just that you are indeed losing some to Lynx, while the majority are headed to AC and Porter.

Weird that the truth seems to get Flair guys all worked up.

[Michel Myers]

Well unlike the majority making comments on this site about flair, I work here. So I comment based on the facts. The people we have lost to Lynx is minuscule. AC by far is where most have gone and yes some to Porter. But anyway back to your constant unsubstantiated opinions

So within two comments you went from claiming that no one was leaving for Lynx, to just a miniscule number. I don't think anyone is claiming that most are going there, just that you are indeed losing some to Lynx, while the majority are headed to AC and Porter.

Weird that the truth seems to get Flair guys all worked up.

Well since reading comprehension apparently is something you struggle with….the below was from a post claiming the majority are going to AC and……Lynx. I never once said nobody is going to Lynx I said the majority weren’t. The majority are going to AC and Porter. I admit that. So if debunking lies is getting worked up so be it.

Where are the majority of them going?
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AC and Lynx

[Tbayer2021]

Well unlike the majority making comments on this site about flair, I work here. So I comment based on the facts. The people we have lost to Lynx is minuscule. AC by far is where most have gone and yes some to Porter. But anyway back to your constant unsubstantiated opinions

So within two comments you went from claiming that no one was leaving for Lynx, to just a miniscule number. I don't think anyone is claiming that most are going there, just that you are indeed losing some to Lynx, while the majority are headed to AC and Porter.

Weird that the truth seems to get Flair guys all worked up.

Well since reading comprehension apparently is something you struggle with….the below was from a post claiming the majority are going to AC and……Lynx. I never once said nobody is going to Lynx I said the majority weren’t. The majority are going to AC and Porter. I admit that. So if debunking lies is getting worked up so be it.

Where are the majority of them going?

AC and Lynx
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And what source do you have for that? The fact that you work there? I didn't know Flair pilots recieved regular updates with breakdowns on where pilots are headed to.

[Michel Myers]

It’s common knowledge through group chats and town halls. It’s a standard question. What airline do you work for anyway ? Why do you spend so much time trolling flair and other airline forums ? Why do have such an appetite for flair to fail and a hate on towards its pilot group?

[Michel Myers]

So within two comments you went from claiming that no one was leaving for Lynx, to just a miniscule number. I don't think anyone is claiming that most are going there, just that you are indeed losing some to Lynx, while the majority are headed to AC and Porter.

Weird that the truth seems to get Flair guys all worked up.

Well since reading comprehension apparently is something you struggle with….the below was from a post claiming the majority are going to AC and……Lynx. I never once said nobody is going to Lynx I said the majority weren’t. The majority are going to AC and Porter. I admit that. So if debunking lies is getting worked up so be it.

Where are the majority of them going?

AC and Lynx

And what source do you have for that? The fact that you work there? I didn't know Flair pilots recieved regular updates with breakdowns on where pilots are headed to.
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Well yes your comments do indeed prove you don’t know what happens at flair. So you just ignoring that you were incorrect in calling me out regarding the AC/Lynx majority comment ? Cool cool. Bye Felicia no more feeding of the troll by me anyway.

[Tbayer2021]

It’s common knowledge through group chats and town halls. It’s a standard question. What airline do you work for anyway ? Why do you spend so much time trolling flair and other airline forums ? Why do have such an appetite for flair to fail and a hate on towards its pilot group?

I have no appetite for Flair to fail. That would be horrible for everyone employed there and detrimental to our sorely needed competition in this country. For some reason some of the Flair pilots around here confuse questioning and outright calling our their BS as trolling or wishing them failure.

Is pointing out that Flair isn't and never was the number 2 carrier out of YUL by any metric, wanting you to fail? Is providing comments made by your own CEO about the poor state of Flair's finances as a rebuttal to two of Flair's chief defenders on here wishing you any ill? Calling out delusional comments by Flair pilots is not trolling.

Just because someone doesn't join the the kumbaya around the campfire doesn't mean they wish you failure.

[Michel Myers]

It’s common knowledge through group chats and town halls. It’s a standard question. What airline do you work for anyway ? Why do you spend so much time trolling flair and other airline forums ? Why do have such an appetite for flair to fail and a hate on towards its pilot group?

I have no appetite for Flair to fail. That would be horrible for everyone employed there and detrimental to our sorely needed competition in this country. For some reason some of the Flair pilots around here confuse questioning and outright calling our their BS as trolling or wishing them failure.

Is pointing out that Flair isn't and never was the number 2 carrier out of YUL by any metric, wanting you to fail? Is providing comments made by your own CEO about the poor state of Flair's finances as a rebuttal to two of Flair's chief defenders on here wishing you any ill? Calling out delusional comments by Flair pilots is not trolling.

Just because someone doesn't join the the kumbaya around the campfire doesn't mean they wish you failure.

Trust me the Majority of flair pilots are definitely not the Kumbya type we are very aware of the issues. So you paint an entire group of 300 based on the comments of what 4-5 random pilots ? My original post was correcting a false statement that the majority of pilots were going to AC and Lynx … you for some reason got triggered by that and went off.

[Tbayer2021]

It’s common knowledge through group chats and town halls. It’s a standard question. What airline do you work for anyway ? Why do you spend so much time trolling flair and other airline forums ? Why do have such an appetite for flair to fail and a hate on towards its pilot group?

I have no appetite for Flair to fail. That would be horrible for everyone employed there and detrimental to our sorely needed competition in this country. For some reason some of the Flair pilots around here confuse questioning and outright calling our their BS as trolling or wishing them failure.

Is pointing out that Flair isn't and never was the number 2 carrier out of YUL by any metric, wanting you to fail? Is providing comments made by your own CEO about the poor state of Flair's finances as a rebuttal to two of Flair's chief defenders on here wishing you any ill? Calling out delusional comments by Flair pilots is not trolling.

Just because someone doesn't join the the kumbaya around the campfire doesn't mean they wish you failure.

Trust me the Majority of flair pilots are definitely not the Kumbya type we are very aware of the issues. So you paint an entire group of 300 based on the comments of what 4-5 random pilots ? My original post was correcting a false statement that the majority of pilots were going to AC and Lynx … you for some reason got triggered by that and went off.

Pointing out that you changed your stance within two comments is getting triggered? News to me. To me, if you went from claiming absolutely no one was leaving to Lynx to just a few, maybe you don't have the full picture like you think you do. Yes, maybe the order that the other guy mentioned was off, and lynx is the 3rd highest instead of 2nd. It doesn't really matter. The point being that you seem to not be happy about someone pointing out that people have left for Lynx.

To which I replied that it does make sense, specially for those looking for a quick upgrade that is probably not coming anytime soon at Flair. Given the severely reduced expansion plans many were counting on.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the two biggest Flair cheerleaders, I'm sure you know who I'm referring to, point to further upgrades as things being just peachy. Ignoring the reality that most, if not all is just to cover for departing captains.

[Michel Myers]

I have no appetite for Flair to fail. That would be horrible for everyone employed there and detrimental to our sorely needed competition in this country. For some reason some of the Flair pilots around here confuse questioning and outright calling our their BS as trolling or wishing them failure.

Is pointing out that Flair isn't and never was the number 2 carrier out of YUL by any metric, wanting you to fail? Is providing comments made by your own CEO about the poor state of Flair's finances as a rebuttal to two of Flair's chief defenders on here wishing you any ill? Calling out delusional comments by Flair pilots is not trolling.

Just because someone doesn't join the the kumbaya around the campfire doesn't mean they wish you failure.

Trust me the Majority of flair pilots are definitely not the Kumbya type we are very aware of the issues. So you paint an entire group of 300 based on the comments of what 4-5 random pilots ? My original post was correcting a false statement that the majority of pilots were going to AC and Lynx … you for some reason got triggered by that and went off.

Pointing out that you changed your stance within two comments is getting triggered? News to me. To me, if you went from claiming absolutely no one was leaving to Lynx to just a few, maybe you don't have the full picture like you think you do. Yes, maybe the order that the other guy mentioned was off, and lynx is the 3rd highest instead of 2nd. It doesn't really matter. The point being that you seem to not be happy about someone pointing out that people have left for Lynx.

To which I replied that it does make sense, specially for those looking for a quick upgrade that is probably not coming anytime soon at Flair. Given the severely reduced expansion plans many were counting on.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the two biggest Flair cheerleaders, I'm sure you know who I'm referring to, point to further upgrades as things being just peachy. Ignoring the reality that most, if not all is just to cover for departing captains.

Oh ffs . I never claimed nobody was going to Lynx. I said it wasn’t one of the majority. MAJORITY…look up the definition Are your gaslighting ? Can’t you read? Funny you still haven’t told me the apparent perfect airline you seem to work for ? Is it the mighty AC dragging down the entire industries wages here in Canada? And upgrades? Again to prove you wrong once again. There are several FOs currently going through the upgrade process in numerous bases. But you seem to know more about this place than I do. You need a hobby dude. I am now convinced you are indeed a troll. No more feed from me.

[Tbayer2021]

Trust me the Majority of flair pilots are definitely not the Kumbya type we are very aware of the issues. So you paint an entire group of 300 based on the comments of what 4-5 random pilots ? My original post was correcting a false statement that the majority of pilots were going to AC and Lynx … you for some reason got triggered by that and went off.

Pointing out that you changed your stance within two comments is getting triggered? News to me. To me, if you went from claiming absolutely no one was leaving to Lynx to just a few, maybe you don't have the full picture like you think you do. Yes, maybe the order that the other guy mentioned was off, and lynx is the 3rd highest instead of 2nd. It doesn't really matter. The point being that you seem to not be happy about someone pointing out that people have left for Lynx.

To which I replied that it does make sense, specially for those looking for a quick upgrade that is probably not coming anytime soon at Flair. Given the severely reduced expansion plans many were counting on.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the two biggest Flair cheerleaders, I'm sure you know who I'm referring to, point to further upgrades as things being just peachy. Ignoring the reality that most, if not all is just to cover for departing captains.

Oh ffs . I never claimed nobody was going to Lynx. I said it wasn’t one of the majority. MAJORITY…look up the definition Are your gaslighting ? Can’t you read? Funny you still haven’t told me the apparent perfect airline you seem to work for ? Is it the mighty AC dragging down the entire industries wages here in Canada? And upgrades? Again to prove you wrong once again. There are several FOs currently going through the upgrade process in numerous bases. But you seem to know more about this place than I do. You need a hobby dude. I am now convinced you are indeed a troll. No more feed from me.

Are those upgrades due to expansion, or to cover for departing captains?

[flying4dollars]

False… AC yep. Lynx Nope. Why do you just make claims that can be easily disproven? I would put Porter as maybe the number 2. But that was mostly in a 6 month span over the summer/spring. The attrition to AC has been going on the 5 years I’ve been here nothing new. Flat pay be damned.

I know there are a number going to AC, but I have heard from Flair pilots that some have gone to Lynx and others to Porter, which doesn't totally surprise me. Are any going overseas? Sandbox is hiring again

The post I responded to was the guy claiming the “majority are going to AC and Lynx”.AC takes the majority as “flying the flag” beats poverty wages for a few years for many. And yes a few gone overseas. Lynx isn’t in the majority at all. Again, like most claims on this forum regarding an airline that these people don’t work for, is false. I have never posted on this site until recently. I’ve silently watched many from other airlines hope for the demise of flair for years. One less airline in Canada isn’t good for anyone except shareholders and management types of the surviving companies. Feel free to shit on your companies competitors all you want, but at least post the truth.

Yeah I've only heard of a select few going to Lynx and namely for a YYC base and upgrade/DEC which I could see I suppose (bit of a sideways/backwards move in my opinion). Have the ones that have gone overseas been the ones that used to work there? Seeing that a majority fled back home to Canada during the pandemic, I could see them returning back to the desert/other.

[Michel Myers]

I know there are a number going to AC, but I have heard from Flair pilots that some have gone to Lynx and others to Porter, which doesn't totally surprise me. Are any going overseas? Sandbox is hiring again

The post I responded to was the guy claiming the “majority are going to AC and Lynx”.AC takes the majority as “flying the flag” beats poverty wages for a few years for many. And yes a few gone overseas. Lynx isn’t in the majority at all. Again, like most claims on this forum regarding an airline that these people don’t work for, is false. I have never posted on this site until recently. I’ve silently watched many from other airlines hope for the demise of flair for years. One less airline in Canada isn’t good for anyone except shareholders and management types of the surviving companies. Feel free to shit on your companies competitors all you want, but at least post the truth.

Yeah I've only heard of a select few going to Lynx and namely for a YYC base and upgrade/DEC which I could see I suppose (bit of a sideways/backwards move in my opinion). Have the ones that have gone overseas been the ones that used to work there? Seeing that a majority fled back home to Canada during the pandemic, I could see them returning back to the desert/other.

Yes some have returned to their airlines overseas. That as of now anyway hasn’t been the major source of attrition.

[Gameon]

I don’t know many that have left for overseas lately. That ship sailed in 21/22. Although maybe some will pivot and reconsider with so many issues lately and the lack of competitive wages. There is no expansion at the moment and upgrades are all due to the large amount of resignations. Lynx is a sideways move at best and an opportunity for the left seat to those longer standing FOs. Maybe the odd Alberta based capt. Maybe a few going to WJ for stability. The vast majority are going as FO to AC and Porter in the left seat at the moment.