Adverse Reactions Poll

[JerryRig]

Nobody is dying from the vaccines, and all the evidence shows that they reduce mortality. I looked at your links and didn't see a single scientific study linked to. You only seem to be interested in whackjob blogs and the like.

The poll contributors disagree with this. But yet you feel the need to attack me personally. I get it, you suffer Stockholm Syndrome. I’m the bad guy, not the perps.

No, i was commenting on your sources, not you personally. Post a review from a peer reviewed journal. The poll is just as useless in terms of evidence.

Many of the "peer reviewed journals were retracted. Just the term "peer reviewed" implies 2 or more individuals collaborating on a thesis whether accurate or not, or in most cases funded by a bias source. I would advise not putting so much weight into this term. If Pfizer or someone monetarily connected to Pfizer peer reviews a product sold by Pfizer (for example) how is there any credibility?

[JerryRig]

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[CpnCrunch]

The poll contributors disagree with this. But yet you feel the need to attack me personally. I get it, you suffer Stockholm Syndrome. I’m the bad guy, not the perps.

No, i was commenting on your sources, not you personally. Post a review from a peer reviewed journal. The poll is just as useless in terms of evidence.

Many of the "peer reviewed journals were retracted. Just the term "peer reviewed" implies 2 or more individuals collaborating on a thesis whether accurate or not, or in most cases funded by a bias source. I would advise not putting so much weight into this term. If Pfizer or someone monetarily connected to Pfizer peer reviews a product sold by Pfizer (for example) how is there any credibility?

Ok so lets just get our science from blog posts instead.

[CpnCrunch]

Nobody is dying from the vaccines

Yes, people are dying from the vaccines, maybe not by millions, but some people are dying.
Here is just one story from Québec:
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... -sangin-az

The probability to die from the vaccines is certainly low, but it does exist. Nobody can deny this.

The probability of dying from the experimental jab (it's not a vaccine) is WAY higher than traditional vaccines. In the thousands. This is unacceptable as the probability of dying of covid is a minute fraction of that. This is an unacceptable risk.

No its not. There is zero evidence of that.

[JerryRig]

Yes, people are dying from the vaccines, maybe not by millions, but some people are dying.
Here is just one story from Québec:
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... -sangin-az

The probability to die from the vaccines is certainly low, but it does exist. Nobody can deny this.

The probability of dying from the experimental jab (it's not a vaccine) is WAY higher than traditional vaccines. In the thousands. This is unacceptable as the probability of dying of covid is a minute fraction of that. This is an unacceptable risk.

No its not. There is zero evidence of that.

I keep pointing to the evidence by form of witness statements but you are in denial. Again, look at the poll above and tell me again that nobody is being affected by these. What kind of evidence are you looking for?

[JerryRig]

No, i was commenting on your sources, not you personally. Post a review from a peer reviewed journal. The poll is just as useless in terms of evidence.

Many of the "peer reviewed journals were retracted. Just the term "peer reviewed" implies 2 or more individuals collaborating on a thesis whether accurate or not, or in most cases funded by a bias source. I would advise not putting so much weight into this term. If Pfizer or someone monetarily connected to Pfizer peer reviews a product sold by Pfizer (for example) how is there any credibility?

Ok so lets just get our science from blog posts instead.

That IS science. The shareing of knowledge ideas and observations. Where do YOU get your science? From the government? That’s called political science and that’s a whole other can of worms. Government. Just today the courts ruled that the government was wrong. Again.

[CpnCrunch]

I keep pointing to the evidence by form of witness statements but you are in denial. Again, look at the poll above and tell me again that nobody is being affected by these. What kind of evidence are you looking for?

I think the problem is you don't understand some basics of science (perhaps because you rely on blog posts). Blog posts are fine if you are able to understand the science being discussed.

Let me explain it for you: people don't know what is happening in their bodies. If you have a vaccine, then drop dead a day later, was it the vaccine, or would you have dropped dead even if you hadn't had the vaccine? This is basic logic.

[Big Pistons Forever]

But someone died in Quebec so the COVID vaccines are bad right ?

I notice none of the anti vaxers commented on my post on page 4

I will post it again

A lot of the anti vaxers relate tales of personal knowledge of someone who was allegedly hurt by the COVID Vaccine. Here is my tale. A friend had a critical operation to remove a cancerous growth delayed because the ICU was full of nonvaccinated patients with severe COVID. I know this for a fact because I know one of the nurses in the unit.

So my friend should be happy that all those people really sick in the ICU because they refused an effective vaccine got to exercise a personal freedom at my friends direct expense ?

Facts!

Not sure what kind of reply you are seeking from your post, maybe you could let us know what discussion you would like to have regarding your friend and this hospital experience.

How about acknowledging the FACT that unvaccinated patients took up the majority of the hospital beds throughout the pandemic and that had real consequences for others seeking health care.

[JerryRig]

I keep pointing to the evidence by form of witness statements but you are in denial. Again, look at the poll above and tell me again that nobody is being affected by these. What kind of evidence are you looking for?

I think the problem is you don't understand some basics of science (perhaps because you rely on blog posts). Blog posts are fine if you are able to understand the science being discussed.

Let me explain it for you: people don't know what is happening in their bodies. If you have a vaccine, then drop dead a day later, was it the vaccine, or would you have dropped dead even if you hadn't had the vaccine? This is basic logic.

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

[CpnCrunch]

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

Ok, so let us know about this withheld information.

[Aviatard]

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

What if you are the mal-information, lies and deception, because you can't discriminate between credible sources, grifters monetizing bullshit from fearful and gullible people and a 50 person poll? What if you've been fooled and being used to line the bank accounts of some shady people? What if you can't tell a preposterous claim (every country is in on it) from truth when even a 10 second think about it would show you the claim is laughable? What if you're being used?

What then Jerry?

[Aviatard]

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

What if you are the mal-information, lies and deception, because you can't discriminate between credible sources, grifters monetizing bullshit from fearful and gullible people and a 75 person poll? What if you've been fooled and being used to line the bank accounts of some shady people? What if you can't tell a preposterous claim (every country is in on it) from truth when even a 10 second think about it would show you the claim is laughable? What if you're being used?

What then Jerry?

[JerryRig]

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

What if you are the mal-information, lies and deception, because you can't discriminate between credible sources, grifters monetizing bullshit from fearful and gullible people and a 50 person poll? What if you've been fooled and being used to line the bank accounts of some shady people? What if you can't tell a preposterous claim (every country is in on it) from truth when even a 10 second think about it would show you the claim is laughable? What if you're being used?

What then Jerry?

What if I am not?
I have no regrets. I know many who do, some of them have tried to tell you in the poll above. It's interesting that you are refusing to take the numbers seriously. I suspect you are hiding behind your regrets or fears. This is not my problem.

If and when you are ready to talk about your regrets and fears, I among others on here are ready and willing to listen.
Take care.

JR

[JerryRig]

Actually the problem is you did not get full disclosure, they are withholding information, and some are outright lying to you. Go ahead, believe the lies, mal-information, deception. It’s your choice. I chose to inform others what I know for my peace of mind. NOT telling and allowing people to be deceived would be on me and just plain irresponsible. Go ahead, spin the wheel. I don’t care. It’s your choice. Good luck.

Ok, so let us know about this withheld information.

I did, man. It's on Pfizers site as well as hidden in the CDC web site.
I have posted on this forum, but I bet you haven't bothered to read any of it. Do a search, I'm sure you're capable. I'm tired.

[Sulako]

Just a quick note on AvCanada polls:

Literally anyone can make multiple accounts on AvCanada.
Any account can vote on a poll.
One person could be responsible for the vast majority of the results, there is ZERO quality assurance.

Using AvCanada polls as proof of anything would be ridiculous.

[JerryRig]

Just a quick note on AvCanada polls:

Literally anyone can make multiple accounts on AvCanada.
Any account can vote on a poll.
One person could be responsible for the vast majority of the results, there is ZERO quality assurance.

Using AvCanada polls as proof of anything would be ridiculous.

No one claimed quality. Simply an indication.
How many accounts do you have?

[JerryRig]

Just a quick note on AvCanada polls:

Literally anyone can make multiple accounts on AvCanada.
Any account can vote on a poll.
One person could be responsible for the vast majority of the results, there is ZERO quality assurance.

Using AvCanada polls as proof of anything would be ridiculous.

No one claimed quality. Simply an indication.
How many accounts do you have?

[7ECA]

How many accounts do you have?

A rather bold accusation to make against a longtime moderator...

[Sulako]

Heh one account is all I have needed here for the last 25 years or so (before we got hacked and had to move to the /forums2 url) ; it keeps me busy enough and now that I have seen what a dumpster fire this is, I don't care enough about this topic to make a bunch of fakes.

But that's just me

[JerryRig]

How many accounts do you have?

A rather bold accusation to make against a longtime moderator...

No accusation, just asking the question that was implied to me.

[JerryRig]

Heh one account is all I have needed here for the last 25 years or so (before we got hacked and had to move to the /forums2 url) ; it keeps me busy enough and now that I have seen what a dumpster fire this is, I don't care enough about this topic to make a bunch of fakes.

But that's just me

Each to their own. It's too bad unbiased moderation has become an oxymoron. Thank you for not locking me out like another moderator did of whom I've yet to receive an apology for.

[dontcallmeshirley]

Each to their own. It's too bad unbiased moderation has become an oxymoron. Thank you for not locking me out like another moderator did of whom I've yet to receive an apology for.

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[JustaCanadian]

But someone died in Quebec so the COVID vaccines are bad right ?

I notice none of the anti vaxers commented on my post on page 4

I will post it again

Facts!

Not sure what kind of reply you are seeking from your post, maybe you could let us know what discussion you would like to have regarding your friend and this hospital experience.

How about acknowledging the FACT that unvaccinated patients took up the majority of the hospital beds throughout the pandemic and that had real consequences for others seeking health care.

Well it's a fact that at one point, zero Canadians were vaccinated for covid and 100 percent of people in hospital were not vaccinated, and then at some point the majority of people were vaccinated, and eventually most people were. The along this timeline eventually the majority of people in hospitals were also vaccinated people.

Funny how that works.

You could also try looking at other directions to throw your judgements... Like maybe the people who for dacades neglected their bodies and became obese and take up hospital beds because of diet. Smokers etc.

Who should we more harshly judge? Someone who smokes and has lung cancer clogging up our health system, when for years we have had knowledge of the risks of smoking and ample avenues of assistance to quit. Or should we judge the person who doesn't want a vaccine, because it's new, and they are not sure, and it appears government is attempting to force something on people that may not be necessary, may not be safe, and maybe they just need more time to make that decision.

I mean, why is it ok today to not get a covid or flu vaccine? Only 15 percent of Canadians keep taking covid shots. Our hospitals still fill up with both vaccinated and non vaccinated people. Where do you stand on those who only got two doses? If you need a hospital bed and they say sorry the ICU is full of only 2 dose non boosted people, what's your stance? Are these bad people? I find it a little comedic how you draw these lines as if they make and rational sense. I can tell you, there are way bigger problems that are the reason your friend there had a hard time getting a bed. Turn on mainstream media today and be amazed with how our hospitals are managed... And you think it's somoene who won't take the jab that fucked up your life. Yeah....

Facts.

[Inverted2]

Vaccines don’t work. I know a woman who’s had more jabs than a junkie in the Byward Market who has covid. I also know unvaxxed purebloods who have had covid and the severity was no worse for one another.

[CpnCrunch]

Vaccines don’t work. I know a woman who’s had more jabs than a junkie in the Byward Market who has covid. I also know unvaxxed purebloods who have had covid and the severity was no worse for one another.

OMFG.

Planes don't work. I know someone who crashed their plane. They don't work.