Recall of the NC

[Aerkavo]

Then offers unsolicited advice about mental health.

The people who need it rarely solicit it. However, with experience it becomes easier to identify.

[Aerkavo]

Do you offer mental health referrals to any FO who disagrees with you, online or in the cockpit?

Well, it would depend on how the disagreement was presented, wouldn't it? Hasn't happened yet. I mention it in this case, online, because thepoors is obviously distressed beyond what is normal for this place. I can't tell if he's playing the "wild and crazy guy" routine or is actually having problems regulating so that's why I offered assistance.

[khedrei]

Then offers unsolicited advice about mental health.

The people who need it rarely solicit it. However, with experience it becomes easier to identify.

If you meant that and were genuine you would have sent those offers via PM. Instead you try to publicly demean and sarcastically insult those who disagree with you publicly.

Very low indeed.

[Aerkavo]

If you meant that and were genuine you would have sent those offers via PM. Instead you try to publicly demean and sarcastically insult those who disagree with you publicly.

Very low indeed.

His profanity-laced diatribes towards me were very public, were they not?

In any case I disagree that an offer of assistance should be private since it would simply be ignored. A public offer is akin to a splash of cold water and not so easily ignored since the behavior is high-lighted.

My offer is quite genuine for a co-worker who seems to be in need of assistance.

One more thing - you say that I insulted him? Have you read the thread? My offer to assist is "very low indeed" but you have no condemnation for the multiple instances of insults and profanity towards me?

[rookiepilot]

Do you offer mental health referrals to any FO who disagrees with you, online or in the cockpit?

Well, it would depend on how the disagreement was presented, wouldn't it? Hasn't happened yet. I mention it in this case, online, because thepoors is obviously distressed beyond what is normal for this place.

Who decides what is normal for this place?

Are you an accredited mental health professional in any event?

Why is your place to publicly state multiple other posters — not just one — are carrying — I quote — (mental health) demons?

If you had concerns about a colleague in person, you would then express their need for a mental health evaluation publicly in front of dozens of their peers, like the briefing room?

To the Mods:

There has to be line. Alluding directly that someone has serious mental health issues, crosses this line. This is a huge deal for any pilot, and this poster knows it.

So Captain. Your choice. Publicly apologize, right now, or I may well take this up with Joe.

[Aerkavo]

Who decides what is normal for this place?

Are you an accredited mental health professional in any event?

Why is your place to publicly state multiple other posters — not just one — are carrying — I quote — (mental health) demons?

If you had concerns about a colleague in person, you would then express their need for a mental health evaluation publicly in front of dozens of their peers, like the briefing room?

To the Mods:

There has to be line. Alluding directly that someone has serious mental health issues, crosses this line. This is a huge deal for any pilot, and this poster knows it.

So Captain. Your choice. Publicly apologize, right now, or I may well take this up with Joe.

I throw myself on the mercy of the court (or the mods). If you can justify your profanity-laced rants and insults as normal behavior so be it. I made no accusation other than to say that you appeared to be fixated and having trouble regulating and that your anger seemed to be inhibiting your ability to read and comprehend the posts. My offer of assistance was/is genuine.

BTW, who's Joe?

[rookiepilot]

Who decides what is normal for this place?

Are you an accredited mental health professional in any event?

Why is your place to publicly state multiple other posters — not just one — are carrying — I quote — (mental health) demons?

If you had concerns about a colleague in person, you would then express their need for a mental health evaluation publicly in front of dozens of their peers, like the briefing room?

To the Mods:

There has to be line. Alluding directly that someone has serious mental health issues, crosses this line. This is a huge deal for any pilot, and this poster knows it.

So Captain. Your choice. Publicly apologize, right now, or I may well take this up with Joe.

I throw myself on the mercy of the court (or the mods). If you can justify your profanity-laced rants and insults as normal behavior so be it. I made no accusation other than to say that you appeared to be fixated and having trouble regulating and that your anger seemed to be inhibiting your ability to read and comprehend the posts. My offer of assistance was/is genuine.

BTW, who's Joe?

Excuse me? You’re accusing me now?

Of what exactly?

Oh boy. I’m not sure you are aware of who has an issue here.

I inserted myself into this cesspool because although no longer young myself, I know lots of young people who are extremely stressed. Financially, in particular, in a way I do not recall at that age , when I myself was broke and scratching for minimum wages.

Housing was a different universe. Cost of living was a different universe.

I have compassion for this group. I would recommend the same.

[Aerkavo]

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Excuse me? You’re accusing me now?

Of what exactly?

Whoops, sorry. Nope. Missed who I was replying to.

[Whatsagambit?]

Then they wonder why first and second years won't just zip it and put the gear up all while complaining they had to pay a hundred dollars for drinks on their layover but behind their back are wondering if you are saying they are greedy. You've shown with this TA and the attitude you have towards your younger selves that you are greedy.

I'll make the same offer that I made to thepoors; if you need some assistance finding a mental health professional just contact me via PM. Even though this is an anonymous forum it's clear you are being stressed and challenged beyond your limit.

Please reach out to EAP or contact me and I'll help you.

Thanks for the fake sympathy. I'm doing quite well. You seem to be the one having the issue of spending a hundred dollars on drinks for your flight crew.

At this point Im pretty sure we can all see you're trying to troll or gaslight everyone. Have fun with that.

[Aerkavo]

You seem to be the one having the issue of spending a hundred dollars on drinks for your flight crew.

I never said I had an issue with it. Just said I did it. If you take a closer look you will see that the reason I mentioned it was because I was wondering if the pilots I was spending it on might have the same underlying attitude as some here. Understand?

Now, I'll just wait for the 3 posts insulting me for doing it or mentioning it.......

[Aerkavo]

At this point Im pretty sure we can all see you're trying to troll or gaslight everyone. Have fun with that.

This pearl of wisdom from someone who's profile was created 5 days ago and has 4 posts. Who's puppet account are you?

[digits_]

I was wondering if the pilots I was spending it on might have the same underlying attitude as some here.

Here's a hint: Do you think there are a lot of junior pilots who appreciate making less than your proposed raise?

[daedalusx]

At this point Im pretty sure we can all see you're trying to troll or gaslight everyone. Have fun with that.

This pearl of wisdom from someone who's profile was created 5 days ago and has 4 posts. Who's puppet account are you?

Says the guy with the profile less than a year old with 20 posts …

[Aerkavo]

Says the guy with the profile less than a year old with 20 posts …

Yeah, so it wasn't created 4 or 5 days ago. Big difference between a profile that's a year old and one that's 5 days old.

[Whatsagambit?]

At this point Im pretty sure we can all see you're trying to troll or gaslight everyone. Have fun with that.

This pearl of wisdom from someone who's profile was created 5 days ago and has 4 posts. Who's puppet account are you?

I already posted my pearls of wisdom in my earlier response to you. I brought up multiple points which you ignored and responded by telling me to go seek mental help. What more do I need to say at this point? You aren't here for a discussion about anything important. You are just trying troll and gaslight everyone with your fake sympathy.

[altiplano]

Says the guy with the profile less than a year old with 20 posts …

Yeah, so it wasn't created 4 or 5 days ago. Big difference between a profile that's a year old and one that's 5 days old.

How is that a "Big difference"? Your first post was 3 weeks ago.

Am I the only one that doesn't run multiple accounts here over the years.

[Whatsagambit?]

If you meant that and were genuine you would have sent those offers via PM. Instead you try to publicly demean and sarcastically insult those who disagree with you publicly.

Very low indeed.

His profanity-laced diatribes towards me were very public, were they not?

In any case I disagree that an offer of assistance should be private since it would simply be ignored. A public offer is akin to a splash of cold water and not so easily ignored since the behavior is high-lighted.

My offer is quite genuine for a co-worker who seems to be in need of assistance.

One more thing - you say that I insulted him? Have you read the thread? My offer to assist is "very low indeed" but you have no condemnation for the multiple instances of insults and profanity towards me?

Don't forget you offered the same thing to me. Yet not once in my reply to you did I swear. I spoke respectfully. I might not agree with your stance but I outlined my positions very clearly. You chose to project whatever disagreements you had with someone else who swore at you onto my reply as well. As if they were equivalent. Then you ignored everything I had to say and replied with seek mental help assistance. Here's a number or website you can reach out to. What am I supposed to think other than you must be trolling or gaslighting people? That wasn't a very nice response SE from you to begin with.

As for my account age so what? I don't have any other accounts. I've been in the industry since 2015. Whether you choose to believe me or not is on you. Do you really think the most major TA agreement that Canadian pilots have all been waiting on wouldn't bring about first time posters to this community? Are we all supposed to just accept that this is a closed community now where nobody new is allowed to speak? We're all just supposed to sit back and only let the old accounts post and say their peace without anyone new being allowed to interject? How is that rational?

[khedrei]

Yeah... the same way they think you should just sit back and let the old guys make the money....

[Icamefromspace]

The author of the letter you just posted requested in another thread for it not to be posted here. Maybe delete this to respect their wishes.

[PA-18]

All I read about on this TA issue is people complaining about junior pay. Does nobody care about the lack of lifestyle improvements? Training outside the block? Working 18days on a wide body? The money is there… but how about freeing up some more time off in the month.

[Aerkavo]

I was wondering if the pilots I was spending it on might have the same underlying attitude as some here.

Here's a hint: Do you think there are a lot of junior pilots who appreciate making less than your proposed raise?

Thanks. You just saved me several hundred dollars per month.

[Aerkavo]

Don't forget you offered the same thing to me. Yet not once in my reply to you did I swear. I spoke respectfully. I might not agree with your stance but I outlined my positions very clearly. You chose to project whatever disagreements you had with someone else who swore at you onto my reply as well. As if they were equivalent. Then you ignored everything I had to say and replied with seek mental help assistance.

Sorry about that, it was a mistake. You got lumped in with someone else. I was trying to maintain discussions with several people at the same time.

I'm actually a "No" vote on the TA as I think it falls short. I came here for the discussion and got sucked in by thepoors and a few others who seem to think:

A) everything wrong with the world and their personal situation is because of the Boomers
B) everybody senior is a "greedy fu ck"
C) nobody senior has ever experienced any hardship or setback that approaches theirs
D) that the senior pilots are "throwing them under the bus"

I tried to give some background, some history to maybe show their view of the world was flawed or incomplete due to an imperfect understanding of some of this but every attempt was met with "STFU Boomer!" or other profanity-laced replies. One post (from someone else) even referenced killing someone with a pillow and not feeling any remorse which I assume was directed at me.

Out of all the "senior" pilots I have talked to I would guess about 50% are "no" voters. Mostly because they don't think there's enough in the TA to address QoL. The other 50% (that's my unofficial assessment) will vote "yes" but not for the reason put forward here - that it's for the money. The reason the "yes" voters give is that they are fearful the government will intervene and the resulting arbitration will result in less.

I expect the TA will pass however and it's won't be due to the senior guys trying to get a big payday. The senior guys will probably split 50/50. It will pass because of the 600 guys who will get their furlough years back and the pilots in years 3, 4, 5 who will see large increases.

My opinion is that the junior guys should get more and that flat pay should only last as long as probation and that true formula pay should start at year 2. These are the things I put in the survey when it came along.

[cjp]

The AC management have created a beautiful game theory case study. Air Canada pilots are experiencing the prisoners dilemma.

Likely why they (management) we're celebrating at Arizona's after this made it's way through the MEC to the line. They broke a fall strike, fed the pilot group a poison pill which turned them onto themselves, and walked away.

As an outsider I don't see how this won't pass, with small margins granted. Likely the same emotions at play here as when people took the offer to work for Air Canada. A bit of fear, greed, and selfishness. Right now the fear is arbitration. Greed is in general salary gains (albeit far from what was predicted by your MEC), and selfishness for those that will benefit most from the current gains, which will be disguised as selflessness, as no one wants to think of themselves as selfish, but we are by nature selfish beings.

Hopefully the road show isn't too toxic.

[Whatsagambit?]

All I read about on this TA issue is people complaining about junior pay. Does nobody care about the lack of lifestyle improvements? Training outside the block? Working 18days on a wide body? The money is there… but how about freeing up some more time off in the month.

I think the QOL improvements were originally brought up but got drowned out by either senior captains telling everyone to shut up because they will spend the majority of their career at the top pay scale. Or younger FOs saying how they getting a raise that's larger than their salary is completely unfair.

Perhaps focusing on the QOL improvements everyone wanted before the TA was released would be a good idea. You should make a post about everything everyone wanted and exactly what this TA doesn't fix. Maybe that will shift the discussion.

[Whatsagambit?]

All I read about on this TA issue is people complaining about junior pay. Does nobody care about the lack of lifestyle improvements? Training outside the block? Working 18days on a wide body? The money is there… but how about freeing up some more time off in the month.

I think the QOL improvements were originally brought up but got drowned out by either senior captains telling everyone to shut up because they will spend the majority of their career at the top pay scale. Or younger FOs saying how they getting a raise that's larger than their salary is completely unfair.

Perhaps focusing on the QOL improvements everyone wanted before the TA was released would be a good idea. You should make a post about everything everyone wanted and exactly what this TA doesn't fix. Maybe that will shift the discussion.