Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
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Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
By your logic, gonnabeapilot's statement is very correct. A navajo FO deserves the job at Sunwing before any foreign worker according to you.
Your claims are sounding like a broken record, with many facts against what you have to say. You can fight this battle all you want, to get it back to 1:1, but adapt to the new information and work with Sunwing pilots. It will get you a lot farther if it is your true goal.
Your claims are sounding like a broken record, with many facts against what you have to say. You can fight this battle all you want, to get it back to 1:1, but adapt to the new information and work with Sunwing pilots. It will get you a lot farther if it is your true goal.
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With all the facts you provided on this Forum, to counter mine, we are all convinced. Keep it up. You are on the right track.Krimson wrote:By your logic, gonnabeapilot's statement is very correct. A navajo FO deserves the job at Sunwing before any foreign worker according to you.
Your claims are sounding like a broken record, with many facts against what you have to say. You can fight this battle all you want, to get it back to 1:1, but adapt to the new information and work with Sunwing pilots. It will get you a lot farther if it is your true goal.
And yes, if it got to that, even a Navajo FO would deserve the job over a foreigner who has no right to work in this country.
But in reality I happen to know a few ex Skyservice, and Zoom Captains who would love to get a seasonal left seat at Sunwing and who have the qualifications and the experience to handle the job. They just do not have the type rating.
I know a guy who left a Captains seat on a heavy overseas because he wanted to be back in Canada, and who is not flying. Why cant he get first shot at those seasonal jobs ?
The Sunwing seasonal left seats are for Brit, German, Czech, Dutch and Belgian pilots.
Qualified Canadians need not apply.
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Get a shot, sure. Guaranteed a job because he's Canadian, no.
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Have not posted on this topic for awhile...so here goes.aerosexual wrote:Nobody wants to see increased hiring of Canadian pilots at Sunwing more than Canadian pilots.
And Sunwing hired Direct Entry Captains in the past when required. Currently Sunwing does not require hiring Direct Entry Captains. Upgrades at Sunwing are done internally, and more upgrades are expected to be announced shortly.
Sunwing captains also go overseas on deployments. This has been covered in detail.
Aside from this seasons set back where 3 additional aircraft could of been deployed but for internal issues amongst the Sunwing Pilots as a group and the Company, it never came to fruition. If it had, we would of seen more pilots sent to Europe this year. No question. Certainly not as many as we would like to see...but there would of been an increase from previous years...and thus a trend in the right direction. In this instance, it was not due to the lack of trying on the companies part. But as a pilot group we were not willing to accept the EASA requirements being imposed...we ultimately were granted a waiver which came too late to break the impasse of an earlier internal bid. What will the next year bring?....who knows for sure. We shall see. No two years have ever looked the same here at Sunwing.
As of the signing of CBA#2; no Direct Entry Captains would be hired amongst the seasonal pilot group until all permanent staff FOs have had their opportunity to upgrade. This point has been mentioned before here on AvCanada by myself and others. It's not likely to change unless an LOU is put in place or there is a change of language in CBA #3 sometime in the future when CBA#2 expires. This limitation was put in place to protect the career growth prospects of our FOs.
As a side point... We have some qualified FOs upgrading to Captain status this summer who have only been with the company for two years. Not bad. Something to think about for any who might be considering the present hiring of seasonal pilots this summer for next winters program. What the company is telling us at the moment is that they are projecting further hiring and further Captain upgrades beyond the ones that have been internally announced. Of course we will see what happens when they happen.
Meanwhile we are also seeing a substantial amount of hiring this summer and hiring will most likely continue again next year. This is based on information from our internal sources.
Growth at Sunwing Airlines will continue to be necessary to meet the demands that the STG (Sunwing Travel Group) are placing on the airline. A nice problem for us pilots to have....
Aside from the unanswered question as to how long it will be before the FLVC requirements in EASA land will be addressed in the future... It would be entirely speculative on my part to say that there will be a resolution in the near future. Of course we would like to see that happen sooner than later... That I am sure is a huge issue that the corporation itself is also well aware of and would like to see resolved. Provided that there can be reciprocity assured; there is going to be a demand for Foreign pilots (Us Canadians) to be sent to Europe as well as a need here in Canada while Sunwing maximizes it's resources to train Canadians within the constraints of available line Indoc training hours available to meet the program. The limitation at Sunwing is not the amount of flying available, but rather the amount of hulls that can be put in the sky to meet the demand. So the more aircraft that they can put in the air....the better, from a STG perspective. We won't be flying as many aircraft as they (STG) would like is my personal thought based on what we are hearing from within.
So aside from the limitations placed on the company from a pilot union perspective as well as the Wet Lease and TFW concern; the company too also appears to be well aware of the challenges ahead to keep the momentum of growth for the airline to keep up with the growth of the STG. This is resulting in more good pilot jobs for fellow Canadians to enjoy both here in Canada as well as in Europe. Perhaps we will see more growth during the summer seasons in North America which will help also with the seasonal imbalance. This could only be good news for Canadian Pilots. Let's see what happens.
STG have once again made the Profit 500 list for the 9th year running. It is every pilots wish at Sunwing to see the profitable growth continue and a continued trend to seeing hiring of Canadian pilots and achieve a balance in numbers of pilots working on either side of the Atlantic to assure solid year round jobs for all concerned.
Ultimately long term sustained profitable growth for the company is what will keep all of us pilots employed to retirement. Something we all wish and hope for in our respective careers no matter the color of the paint we fly.
BTW..... Many thanks for the JS from Europe. As always, I really enjoy flying on AirTransat. Many good people there and great friends as well.
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You only consider that "seasonal pilots" are those Canadian pilots that you hire in the winter. But they are not the only ones. The Temporary Foreign Worker pilots are also "seasonal pilots" and Sunwing does hire a ton of them in winter as captains.ea306 wrote:As of the signing of CBA#2; no Direct Entry Captains would be hired amongst the seasonal pilot group until all permanent staff FOs have had their opportunity to upgrade. This point has been mentioned before here on AvCanada by myself and others. It's not likely to change unless an LOU is put in place or there is a change of language in CBA #3 sometime in the future when CBA#2 expires. This limitation was put in place to protect the career growth prospects of our FOs.
I agree that full time Sunwing pilots should have first shot at an upgrade before a seasonal pilots is given the left seat. But this policy that Sunwing and its pilot union have of considering that foreign captains are somehow in another class is incomprehensible to me.
I understand that some foreign captains must be taken in exchange for the Canadian Captains that go to Europe on Wet-Lease. This year, Sunwing sent 4 wet-leases to Europe and is applying for four wet-leases from Travel Service. That fulfills that commitment. Four aircraft and crew against four aircraft and crew.
The problem I have is that the 120 TFW will be above and beyond the reciprocity provided by the wet-leases and that a good proportion of those will be captains.
Don't be fooled by their nationality. They are "seasonal pilots", even when they are foreign.
So it blows my mind when Sunwing has a CBA in place that allows foreign seasonal pilots as captains but not Canadian seasonal pilots.
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I'm very curious to know what numbers this is based on since STG is a private company and doesn't publish its financials...ea306 wrote:
STG have once again made the Profit 500 list for the 9th year running.
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I do see your point. However until all permanent FOs are upgraded, it is not likely that Seasonal pilots will see an upgrade...and only once they are made permanent. It's the way our contract is written right now....Gilles Hudicourt wrote:Don't be fooled by their nationality. They are "seasonal pilots", even when they are foreign.ea306 wrote:As of the signing of CBA#2; no Direct Entry Captains would be hired amongst the seasonal pilot group until all permanent staff FOs have had their opportunity to upgrade. This point has been mentioned before here on AvCanada by myself and others. It's not likely to change unless an LOU is put in place or there is a change of language in CBA #3 sometime in the future when CBA#2 expires. This limitation was put in place to protect the career growth prospects of our FOs.
So it blows my mind when Sunwing has a CBA in place that allows foreign seasonal pilots as captains but not Canadian seasonal pilots.
Another solution will be found in continued growth during the summer season to provide more year round permanent positions and promote from the seasonal pilot group to permanent status. This would increase captain and FO positions and reduce foreign pilot use. Of course the summer season is not likely to be balanced against the winter demand which is why a mutually beneficial deployment program is needed to create balanced year round employment for as many Canadians as possible.
You are correct. STG do not publish their financials. They are however listed #302 on the Profit 500 list and are the only Airline and Tour Operator on that list according to the press release.Jean-Luc Monette wrote:I'm very curious to know what numbers this is based on since STG is a private company and doesn't publish its financials...ea306 wrote:
STG have once again made the Profit 500 list for the 9th year running.
As a side note: 49% shareholder Tui Travel PLC, are publicly reporting a £28 million dividend paid to them by STG.
It does give one an idea as to why STG made the Profit 500 list for the 9th year running.
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Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
What readers must conclude from all these long posts is this:
No Canadian DEC for Canadians at Sunwing for the seasonal positions while Foreign DEC Captains are hired seasonally through the TFWP.
The ad that Sunwing put in for the type rated B737NG seasonal pilots does not mention DEC Captain jobs. But the Regulations require that Sunwing posts the salaries. They did so on the job ad they posted on BC jobs here:
http://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Display ... bid=144135
$215 an hour at a mimimum garanteee of 80 hours per month is $17200 per month.
That is a captain's salary is several dozens of those jobs will be going to foreign Captains.
Canadians need not apply. The Sunwing CBA does not allow it.
No Canadian DEC for Canadians at Sunwing for the seasonal positions while Foreign DEC Captains are hired seasonally through the TFWP.
The ad that Sunwing put in for the type rated B737NG seasonal pilots does not mention DEC Captain jobs. But the Regulations require that Sunwing posts the salaries. They did so on the job ad they posted on BC jobs here:
http://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Display ... bid=144135
It says nothing about seasonal DEC but there is a giveaway: the salary.Airline Pilot (Seasonal, Contract)
Sunwing Airlines
Posted: May 8, 2014
Expiring: November 04, 2014
Last Updated: May 08, 2014
Salary: $60.00 - $215.00/Hourly
Job Type: Full-Time, Contract
Language: English
Start Date of Employment (Approx.): August 01, 2014
Minimum Education: Technical Training
Positions Available: 120
NOC Group: Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors (2271)
NOC Job Title: Commercial Airline Pilot
Job Number: 144135
Job Location(s)
Bases Across Canada
Vancouver, British Columbia
V7B 0A4 Canada
Job Description
POSITION: Pilots (Type Rated) – Seasonal, Contract
DEPARTMENT: Flight Operations
LOCATION: Bases across Canada
REPORTING TO: Chief Pilot
POSTING CLOSE: Open until position filled
Number of Positions: 120
During the course of duty, Pilots are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with company policies and government regulations.
Responsibilities:
• Ensuring that safety is the primary objective by adhering to the Sunwing safety policy and utilizing the appropriate safety reporting program in order to identify and communicate all known hazards and risks to the organization.
• Ensuring continual improvement through the periodic review of documented processes
• Assisting in flight planning and any other preparations for flight as required by Company Policy
• Conducting flight duties and responsibilities as outlined the Flight Operations Manual
• Monitoring all aspects of flight and noting safety concerns to the company
• Participating in the execution of cockpit procedures, emergency procedures, checklist procedures and instrument approach procedures in accordance with the procedures and drills in the Aircraft Flight Manual and /or Company approved procedures.
• During ground operations, supervising the loading of the aircraft, fuelling, and the preparation of the load sheet as required
• Maintaining a current medical
• Maintaining the ability to work in Canada
• Maintaining a current passport
• Other flight operations related duties as assigned.
• Qualifications:
• Must have Canadian Airline Transport Pilot License and valid Aviation Medical
• Must be current and rated B737NG with Transport Canada License
• Must be a Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident of Canada
• 3000 hours total time – Lower than 3000 hours total time maybe considered based on experience
• Positive attitude
• No accidents / incidents / violations in last 3 years
Candidates are also eligible for bonuses, overtime payments, in accordance with Sunwing’s policies and procedures. Hourly rate between $60-$215 (80 – 90 credit hours per month).
If you are interested in applying, please forward your resume and cover letter to hr@sunwing.ca with the job title in the subject line. We would like to thank all that apply however only those who meet the qualifications will be contacted.
At Sunwing we want to fly higher when it comes to employment equity. We, therefore, encourage applications from Aboriginal peoples, women, members of a visible minority and persons with a disability.
How to Apply
Expiring: November 04, 2014
Email: hr@sunwing.ca
- See more at: http://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Display ... oJCZG.dpuf
$215 an hour at a mimimum garanteee of 80 hours per month is $17200 per month.
That is a captain's salary is several dozens of those jobs will be going to foreign Captains.
Canadians need not apply. The Sunwing CBA does not allow it.
Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
Gilles Hudicourt wrote:What readers must conclude from all these long posts is this:
No Canadian DEC for Canadians at Sunwing for the seasonal positions while Foreign DEC Captains are hired seasonally through the TFWP.
The ad that Sunwing put in for the type rated B737NG seasonal pilots does not mention DEC Captain jobs. But the Regulations require that Sunwing posts the salaries. They did so on the job ad they posted on BC jobs here:
http://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Display ... bid=144135
It says nothing about seasonal DEC but there is a giveaway: the salary.Airline Pilot (Seasonal, Contract)
Sunwing Airlines
Posted: May 8, 2014
Expiring: November 04, 2014
Last Updated: May 08, 2014
Salary: $60.00 - $215.00/Hourly
Job Type: Full-Time, Contract
Language: English
Start Date of Employment (Approx.): August 01, 2014
Minimum Education: Technical Training
Positions Available: 120
NOC Group: Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors (2271)
NOC Job Title: Commercial Airline Pilot
Job Number: 144135
Job Location(s)
Bases Across Canada
Vancouver, British Columbia
V7B 0A4 Canada
Job Description
POSITION: Pilots (Type Rated) – Seasonal, Contract
DEPARTMENT: Flight Operations
LOCATION: Bases across Canada
REPORTING TO: Chief Pilot
POSTING CLOSE: Open until position filled
Number of Positions: 120
During the course of duty, Pilots are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with company policies and government regulations.
Responsibilities:
• Ensuring that safety is the primary objective by adhering to the Sunwing safety policy and utilizing the appropriate safety reporting program in order to identify and communicate all known hazards and risks to the organization.
• Ensuring continual improvement through the periodic review of documented processes
• Assisting in flight planning and any other preparations for flight as required by Company Policy
• Conducting flight duties and responsibilities as outlined the Flight Operations Manual
• Monitoring all aspects of flight and noting safety concerns to the company
• Participating in the execution of cockpit procedures, emergency procedures, checklist procedures and instrument approach procedures in accordance with the procedures and drills in the Aircraft Flight Manual and /or Company approved procedures.
• During ground operations, supervising the loading of the aircraft, fuelling, and the preparation of the load sheet as required
• Maintaining a current medical
• Maintaining the ability to work in Canada
• Maintaining a current passport
• Other flight operations related duties as assigned.
• Qualifications:
• Must have Canadian Airline Transport Pilot License and valid Aviation Medical
• Must be current and rated B737NG with Transport Canada License
• Must be a Canadian Citizen or Permanent Resident of Canada
• 3000 hours total time – Lower than 3000 hours total time maybe considered based on experience
• Positive attitude
• No accidents / incidents / violations in last 3 years
Candidates are also eligible for bonuses, overtime payments, in accordance with Sunwing’s policies and procedures. Hourly rate between $60-$215 (80 – 90 credit hours per month).
If you are interested in applying, please forward your resume and cover letter to hr@sunwing.ca with the job title in the subject line. We would like to thank all that apply however only those who meet the qualifications will be contacted.
At Sunwing we want to fly higher when it comes to employment equity. We, therefore, encourage applications from Aboriginal peoples, women, members of a visible minority and persons with a disability.
How to Apply
Expiring: November 04, 2014
Email: hr@sunwing.ca
- See more at: http://www.workbc.ca/JobSeekers/Display ... oJCZG.dpuf
$215 an hour at a mimimum garanteee of 80 hours per month is $17200 per month.
That is a captain's salary is several dozens of those jobs will be going to foreign Captains.
Canadians need not apply. The Sunwing CBA does not allow it.
$215.00 per hour is inspiring.
I suppose no one can say that the TFW program is bringing in cheap labour. In fact that rate far exceeds the top scale for a Sunwing Captain.
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Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
It's there for a reason. It's the salary of some of the more senior TUI Captains that come to Canada for Sunwing. That is what they earn in Europe from their employer. Does not mean that Sunwing actually pays them that much.ea306 wrote: $215.00 per hour is inspiring.
I suppose no one can say that the TFW program is bringing in cheap labour. In fact that rate far exceeds the top scale for a Sunwing Captain.
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Hell I bet there is a lot of pilots in Canada would love to fly all winter making $215/ credit then get laid off and have every summer off. Now that would be a sweet lifestyle.
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Say you were a Zoom 767 Captain and before that you were a Captain at Skyservice, Canada 3000. And now you are flying a Q-400 or an RJ for Sky Regional, or perhaps you are now a simulator instructor.fish4life wrote:Hell I bet there is a lot of pilots in Canada would love to fly all winter making $215/ credit then get laid off and have every summer off. Now that would be a sweet lifestyle.
Say you just came back from an overseas job and were a B-777 captain for 8 years, and before that you were also a wide body captain for several years in Canada.
Rather than not be flying, would you not prefer to fly all winter as a contract seasonal Captain for Sunwing and be off all summer ?
I know many people who would, for these people wrote to me to tell me so.
But Sunwing does not hire Canadian seasonal Captains. Their CBA will not allow it. These jobs are reserved for German, British, Dutch, Belgian and Czech captains.
It's black on white in the Collective Agreement. So it must be legal right ? A lawyer wrote it.
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Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
Gilles Hudicourt wrote: I understand that some foreign captains must be taken in exchange for the Canadian Captains that go to Europe on Wet-Lease. This year, Sunwing sent 4 wet-leases to Europe and is applying for four wet-leases from Travel Service. That fulfills that commitment. Four aircraft and crew against four aircraft and crew.
The problem I have is that the 120 TFW will be above and beyond the reciprocity provided by the wet-leases and that a good proportion of those will be captains.
Don't be fooled by their nationality. They are "seasonal pilots", even when they are foreign.
So it blows my mind when Sunwing has a CBA in place that allows foreign seasonal pilots as captains but not Canadian seasonal pilots.
This is cross posted from another thread that has been started condemning all things Sunwing to point out how some of the issues brought up in this thread are being misrepresented. I've bolded two key points in Gilles first post... that he acknowledges that there is a need for some European Captains to be brought in during Sunwing's winter season to allow for Canadian Captains to head to Europe over the summer season. The second point is where he claims that a "good proportion" of European pilots brought into Canada will be Captains... insinuating that Sunwing is trying to bring over as many European Captains as possible and then hiring Canadian First Officers to balance out the crewing requirements. However from Gilles own post in the other thread, we can see that the Sunwing CBA does not permit this. European pilots who are brought over to Canada are brought over as complete crews... 1 Captain and 1 First Officer... just like how the European airlines allow Canadian crews to come to Europe in the summer but only as complete crews.... 1 Captain and 1 First Officer.Gilles Hudicourt wrote: Sunwing pilots are now unionized and have their second contract with their employer. That contract is public and available on the web:
I downloaded it and it can be consulted here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqnch4e6du5ek ... No%202.pdf
Now look at these articles:
6.9 Foreign Flight Crew Members
6.9.1 The Company may contract Foreign Flight Crew Members subject to the following conditions:
a) Foreign Flight Crew Members will not be used when any full time Flight Crew Member is furloughed;
b) Foreign Flight Crew Members will be subject to the scheduling rules of this Agreement;
c) The Company will endeavor not to contract more Foreign Flight Crew Member Captains than Foreign Flight Crew Member First Officers. The Company will have meaningful consultation with the Union if there is a need to bring in more Foreign Flight Crew Member Captains than Foreign Flight Crew Member First Officers. The Company will ensure that all qualified First Officers have been upgraded if Foreign Flight Crew Member Captains exceed Foreign Flight Crew Member First Officers.
d) Each Foreign Flight Crew Member must wear a uniform consistent with his/her status;
e) The Company will only contract a Foreign Flight Crew Member for the winter season.
The seasonal Canadian pilots who are hired as First Officers are offset by Sunwing seasonally upgrading Canadian First Officers to Captain positions. If you are a Canadian pilot working seasonally at Sunwing and would like to be a Captain, don't worry you can. You are granted a Sunwing seniority number the day you start at the Company and when upgrades hit your seniority number, you'll be upgraded! Simple as that. But no, you will not be able to parachute in ahead of many hard working Sunwing First Officers and become a seasonal Captain. And no, the company will not all of a sudden limit the number of European Captains coming in just so they can seasonally upgrade more Canadians because doing so will mean the Europeans would start doing the same thing and the entire European deployment (which benefits Canadian pilots) would come to an end. Based on Gilles own post, he is okay with this practice... except, apparently, when it prevents him from scoring another shot again Sunwing....
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Re: Sunwing is hiring seasonal pilots
Actually that is not at all what I wrote. I will clear it up for you in simple and short sentences.gonnabeapilot wrote:
This is cross posted from another thread that has been started condemning all things Sunwing to point out how some of the issues brought up in this thread are being misrepresented. I've bolded two key points in Gilles first post... that he acknowledges that there is a need for some European Captains to be brought in during Sunwing's winter season to allow for Canadian Captains to head to Europe over the summer season. The second point is where he claims that a "good proportion" of European pilots brought into Canada will be Captains... insinuating that Sunwing is trying to bring over as many European Captains as possible and then hiring Canadian First Officers to balance out the crewing requirements. However from Gilles own post in the other thread, we can see that the Sunwing CBA does not permit this. European pilots who are brought over to Canada are brought over as complete crews... 1 Captain and 1 First Officer... just like how the European airlines allow Canadian crews to come to Europe in the summer but only as complete crews.... 1 Captain and 1 First Officer.
The seasonal Canadian pilots who are hired as First Officers are offset by Sunwing seasonally upgrading Canadian First Officers to Captain positions. If you are a Canadian pilot working seasonally at Sunwing and would like to be a Captain, don't worry you can. You are granted a Sunwing seniority number the day you start at the Company and when upgrades hit your seniority number, you'll be upgraded! Simple as that. But no, you will not be able to parachute in ahead of many hard working Sunwing First Officers and become a seasonal Captain. And no, the company will not all of a sudden limit the number of European Captains coming in just so they can seasonally upgrade more Canadians because doing so will mean the Europeans would start doing the same thing and the entire European deployment (which benefits Canadian pilots) would come to an end. Based on Gilles own post, he is okay with this practice... except, apparently, when it prevents him from scoring another shot again Sunwing....
1) Sunwing sends 4 wet-leases to Europe.
2) In exchange, it is only fair that Sunwing can import 4 wet-lease from Europe. That is called fair and balanced reciprocity.
3) Sunwing will upgrade about 40 FOs as Captains and will hire about 40 Canadian seasonal FOs to balance things out.
4) Sunwing will hire 120 TFW pilots, half of which will be Foreign Captains.
To conclude:
Sunwing sends to Europe 4 wet-leases and about 66 pilots
In exchange, they intend to import 4 wet-leases or more from Europe, with 66 foreign pilots or more.
And in addition to those 66+ foreign wet-lease pilots, they will also apply for 120 TFW pilots, half of which will be foreign captains.
66 Canadian pilots to Europe
186 or more Foreign pilots to Canada.
And Canadian need not apply as Seasonal contract pilots. Only foreigners.
That is what I wrote. Got it ?