Covid is just an overblown flu and all the major doctors in the world saying otherwise are just part of a bigger plot to slowly take away our freedoms and also to make trump look worse to try and swing the editions!!! They’re part of the bigger conspiracy! Take off your mask and wake up sheeple! It’s all about fear and control!
*SARCASM*
Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
I knew it! I thought I was being paranoid, so I didn’t want to say it out loud.mixturerich wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:00 am Covid is just an overblown flu and all the major doctors in the world saying otherwise are just part of a bigger plot to slowly take away our freedoms and also to make trump look worse to try and swing the editions!!! They’re part of the bigger conspiracy! Take off your mask and wake up sheeple! It’s all about fear and control!
*SARCASM*
Also, just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t after you!
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
meh...
*apathy*
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
I think that the CEO's should be demanding that the government advise us what the parameters are for another shutdown(perhaps they are). Of course, they probably won't say but we should know this. Biden has said that he will shut down the US if it "scientists recommended it". But which scientists and will they change their mind on the parameters. Not worth it if there is any risk of another shutdown.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgdhp
For Canada’s first century, the railway was the main artery connecting British Columbia to the Maritimes. It was so integral to a successful and united Canada that Sir John A. Macdonald deemed it a national imperative, despite its being politically controversial. The hotel, logistics and mining and resource industries relied on the health of this critical connective tissue. Today, our aviation network serves much the same vital role and has become a unifying national entity. It too should be valued as a national imperative.
Building the railway was no small feat and neither was creating Canada’s impressive aviation infrastructure. But now, as a result of COVID-19’s unwanted invasion and the swift but dislocating actions our governments took to manage the initial threat, the industry is in deep crisis and the infrastructure itself in danger. Airlines have experienced devastating losses in passenger traffic, necessitating massive fleet and route suspensions and unprecedented layoffs that put the carefully built infrastructure at serious risk.
As Canadians, we often take for granted the ease with which we can move from small regions to major international destinations by air. We seldom consider the intricacies involved in operating within such a complicated infrastructure. The effort and complexity of building and maintaining robust networks that also serve as nerve centres for airlines, ground transportation and logistics companies, hotels, restaurants, tourist attractions, cities and communities and so much more is truly formidable. It all needs to be protected.
Though no one could have predicted the rapid emergence of COVID-19, we must now adapt to its ongoing presence and adjust how we view its potential impacts on Canada. We should be concerned about emotional health, children’s education, and many longer-term issues that threaten the viability of our way of life. We must also safeguard the economy and our key infrastructure. We should build on the successes we’ve achieved with the gradual reopening of our provincial economies.
As chairman and CEO of Sky Regional Airlines, a typical Canadian SME, I am responsible for nearly 1,000 jobs, all of which we created since our 2011 startup. Sky Regional operates 25 aircraft in domestic and cross-border markets, providing connections to Air Canada’s network under the Air Canada Express banner. Today, our highly skilled team has been reduced by 40 per cent. Deciding who stays and who goes is a Solomon’s choice that weighs heavily on me.
For years, I have witnessed Air Canada’s implementation of bio-health initiatives such as HEPA filtration and deep cleaning to mitigate infectious disease transmission, and in recent months even more cutting-edge measures to prevent COVID-19 transmission. Their team is vigilant and serious, and their efforts are working.
And yet, at a time when preserving cash to ensure maintaining its core business is an imperative, the airline continues to be virtually shut down by travel restrictions imposed by our governments. Unless we allow it to restart through a careful easing of border restrictions, we are setting up our nation’s important travel network for rapid erosion. Air Canada has already indefinitely suspended 30 domestic routes, many of them serving smaller communities, closed eight stations and removed 79 aircraft from its mainline and Rouge fleets — more than a third of its fleet.
Some effects of these actions are obvious, others will be unintended. Many highly coveted landing slots at the world’s most important airports are “use them or lose them.” Canadians appreciate being able to travel to major European, Asian and American destinations with ideal arrival and departure times. How would we feel if instead we could only arrive or depart in the middle of the night — or not at all?
Other countries are doing a better job of balancing the need to maintain a healthy airline industry with remaining vigilant about the health of their citizens. Many European nations have dropped mandatory quarantines in favour of science-based measures, such as testing or assessment of origin-country infection rates. Countries such as Germany and Greece have opened their borders to Canadians without our government having reciprocated — despite these countries’ infection rates being similar to ours.
They seem to understand the seriousness of their airlines’ predicament and have provided sector-specific support. According to a recent independent report published by InterVISTAS, “in terms of total spending per departing seat, Singapore leads the pack at approximately US$256 per seat, while Canada displays the lowest expenditure per departing seat at approximately US$2 per seat. For Germany, France and the United States, total spending per departing seat is approximately US$61, US$66 and US$62, respectively.” The report also points out that the “major imbalances in government support across countries and regions has (sic) the potential to influence industry competitive dynamics at the level of airline partnerships, global branded alliances and individual carriers competing for the same traffic flows.”
This should be worrying to us all. Canada’s world-class aviation infrastructure is the backbone of our nation’s transportation network and provides connectivity we desperately need at a time when we already feel so distanced. Our governments need to appreciate its value and take concrete steps to preserve it while getting our economy moving again.
Russell Payson is founder and board chair of Sky Regional Airlines Inc.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgdhp
For Canada’s first century, the railway was the main artery connecting British Columbia to the Maritimes. It was so integral to a successful and united Canada that Sir John A. Macdonald deemed it a national imperative, despite its being politically controversial. The hotel, logistics and mining and resource industries relied on the health of this critical connective tissue. Today, our aviation network serves much the same vital role and has become a unifying national entity. It too should be valued as a national imperative.
Building the railway was no small feat and neither was creating Canada’s impressive aviation infrastructure. But now, as a result of COVID-19’s unwanted invasion and the swift but dislocating actions our governments took to manage the initial threat, the industry is in deep crisis and the infrastructure itself in danger. Airlines have experienced devastating losses in passenger traffic, necessitating massive fleet and route suspensions and unprecedented layoffs that put the carefully built infrastructure at serious risk.
As Canadians, we often take for granted the ease with which we can move from small regions to major international destinations by air. We seldom consider the intricacies involved in operating within such a complicated infrastructure. The effort and complexity of building and maintaining robust networks that also serve as nerve centres for airlines, ground transportation and logistics companies, hotels, restaurants, tourist attractions, cities and communities and so much more is truly formidable. It all needs to be protected.
Though no one could have predicted the rapid emergence of COVID-19, we must now adapt to its ongoing presence and adjust how we view its potential impacts on Canada. We should be concerned about emotional health, children’s education, and many longer-term issues that threaten the viability of our way of life. We must also safeguard the economy and our key infrastructure. We should build on the successes we’ve achieved with the gradual reopening of our provincial economies.
As chairman and CEO of Sky Regional Airlines, a typical Canadian SME, I am responsible for nearly 1,000 jobs, all of which we created since our 2011 startup. Sky Regional operates 25 aircraft in domestic and cross-border markets, providing connections to Air Canada’s network under the Air Canada Express banner. Today, our highly skilled team has been reduced by 40 per cent. Deciding who stays and who goes is a Solomon’s choice that weighs heavily on me.
For years, I have witnessed Air Canada’s implementation of bio-health initiatives such as HEPA filtration and deep cleaning to mitigate infectious disease transmission, and in recent months even more cutting-edge measures to prevent COVID-19 transmission. Their team is vigilant and serious, and their efforts are working.
And yet, at a time when preserving cash to ensure maintaining its core business is an imperative, the airline continues to be virtually shut down by travel restrictions imposed by our governments. Unless we allow it to restart through a careful easing of border restrictions, we are setting up our nation’s important travel network for rapid erosion. Air Canada has already indefinitely suspended 30 domestic routes, many of them serving smaller communities, closed eight stations and removed 79 aircraft from its mainline and Rouge fleets — more than a third of its fleet.
Some effects of these actions are obvious, others will be unintended. Many highly coveted landing slots at the world’s most important airports are “use them or lose them.” Canadians appreciate being able to travel to major European, Asian and American destinations with ideal arrival and departure times. How would we feel if instead we could only arrive or depart in the middle of the night — or not at all?
Other countries are doing a better job of balancing the need to maintain a healthy airline industry with remaining vigilant about the health of their citizens. Many European nations have dropped mandatory quarantines in favour of science-based measures, such as testing or assessment of origin-country infection rates. Countries such as Germany and Greece have opened their borders to Canadians without our government having reciprocated — despite these countries’ infection rates being similar to ours.
They seem to understand the seriousness of their airlines’ predicament and have provided sector-specific support. According to a recent independent report published by InterVISTAS, “in terms of total spending per departing seat, Singapore leads the pack at approximately US$256 per seat, while Canada displays the lowest expenditure per departing seat at approximately US$2 per seat. For Germany, France and the United States, total spending per departing seat is approximately US$61, US$66 and US$62, respectively.” The report also points out that the “major imbalances in government support across countries and regions has (sic) the potential to influence industry competitive dynamics at the level of airline partnerships, global branded alliances and individual carriers competing for the same traffic flows.”
This should be worrying to us all. Canada’s world-class aviation infrastructure is the backbone of our nation’s transportation network and provides connectivity we desperately need at a time when we already feel so distanced. Our governments need to appreciate its value and take concrete steps to preserve it while getting our economy moving again.
Russell Payson is founder and board chair of Sky Regional Airlines Inc.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
According to a post on another AvCanada thread....the UK has removed the Czech Republic, Switzerland, and Jamaica from the list that AC provided to our government and now requires a 14 day quarantine for people arriving from those three countries.
Which ones are next.
Which ones are next.
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Gilles Hudicourt
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
There is no UK list. England, Scotland and Wales each have their own lists.
England
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... -corridors
Scotland
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coron ... xemptions/
Wales
https://gov.wales/exemptions-self-isola ... id-19-html
The EU and the UK had stated from the start that the Corridors would be revised every two weeks based on a predetermined COVID level using some WHO-provided medical standard.
But some of these are ridiculous. Jamaica for example, although they have an increased number of COVID cases, Jamaica had a grand total of 2000 cases and just 19 deaths. Including Jamaica was probably triggered by a Mirror article written by a card carrying member of Pelmet’s underground bunker association..... that UK officials did not Have time to properly vet because they were pressed by the list’s publication cut off time....
England
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... -corridors
Scotland
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coron ... xemptions/
Wales
https://gov.wales/exemptions-self-isola ... id-19-html
The EU and the UK had stated from the start that the Corridors would be revised every two weeks based on a predetermined COVID level using some WHO-provided medical standard.
But some of these are ridiculous. Jamaica for example, although they have an increased number of COVID cases, Jamaica had a grand total of 2000 cases and just 19 deaths. Including Jamaica was probably triggered by a Mirror article written by a card carrying member of Pelmet’s underground bunker association..... that UK officials did not Have time to properly vet because they were pressed by the list’s publication cut off time....
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
To quote your original post........
Gilles Hudicourt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:29 am I am just re-posting this Air Canada letter........
Potential List of Exempt Countries - based on exempt UK List
Andorra
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba
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Gilles Hudicourt
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Hey, I get better at this every day. I now catch errors I missed two weeks ago.....
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
+1altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
DEI = Didn’t Earn It
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Dh8Classic
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
I remember very clearly when Harper was running against Trudeau, a lot of ads and debate saying that Trudeau was Just Not Ready(ie. incompetent).altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
A lot of Canadians ignored this warning and voted based on emotional feel good ideas, short term benefits of some sort, or whatever other excuse they used. No doubt that included many airline employees.
Now they are seeing that Harper and his supporters knew exactly what they were talking about. Too late now. Many of you have to learn lessons the hard way. And at repeated intervals as well.
We had big deficits in good times, billions in investment chased away on the oil patch and now large portions of the economy sacrificed which will make Greta happy yet won't make one difference to the temperatures.
And now they want to double down. Don't worry, your tax increases will cover the costs, eventually, somehow.
How does that saying go: People get the government they deserve.
Think about that as your career gets crushed. Votes have consequences.
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CPT.HarshColdReality
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
+1Inverted2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:27 am+1altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
I wonder if barriers will be erected again in Canada.......
'Be aware of the risks' of travelling to Manitoba during pandemic, Ontario health official says
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b ... d=msedgdhp
'Be aware of the risks' of travelling to Manitoba during pandemic, Ontario health official says
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b ... d=msedgdhp
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
The Ole Toole to the rescue, riding in on the white stallion hoisting his “Taking Canada Back” flag.altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
What are you taking about? I mentioned nothing of it. Do you have a real rebuttal? Why don't you tell me what the recovery plan is?Old fella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:42 pmThe Ole Toole to the rescue, riding in on the white stallion hoisting his “Taking Canada Back” flag.altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
Stay on topic.
Or why don't you tell us how Canada is back? Back where? Back in a recession? On the Security Council? At the bottom of the OECD countries for debt:gdp?
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Dh8Classic
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
Well, it didn't take long after my post for the first liberal voter to show up insulting their way based on nothing. And guess what, he is a feeder of taxpayers dollars(ie. was employed by the government - at TC) who cares not one bit about your career but is focused on his taxpayer funded pension. Probably is one of those types that spends half the day on the comment sections of online news articles bashing anyone/party that would threaten his income.altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:39 pmWhat are you taking about? I mentioned nothing of it. Do you have a real rebuttal? Why don't you tell me what the recovery plan is?Old fella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:42 pmThe Ole Toole to the rescue, riding in on the white stallion hoisting his “Taking Canada Back” flag.altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:00 am The Liberal Government doesn't have a recovery plan.
They won't tell you what parameters they are targeting for any adjustment in either direction.
They are doing this because it provides them with maximum flexibility to tailor their actions to suit their political needs and not what's best for Canadians.
Stay on topic.
Or why don't you tell us how Canada is back? Back where? Back in a recession? On the Security Council? At the bottom of the OECD countries for debt:gdp?
And that is why Trudeau will probably get in again. Because he has created a nation(ok, increased the amount) of parasites.
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
uuuh no dude that does mean he is a liberal............
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Dh8Classic
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
It is not that difficult to use a little intelligence to figure things out. I just did a search and found this previous post from our little Trudeau loving bureaucrat that cares not one bit about your career.CPT.HarshColdReality wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:51 pm uuuh no dude that does mean he is a liberal............
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=86095&p=947841&hil ... au#p947841
And guess what. Thousands of bureaucrats just got a raise.
So yes, he will vote again for the man crushing your career and costing you your home(or maybe the NDP who would do it faster).
Greta is smiling at your pain and your new career....McDonalds.
Votes have consequences. I bet a few of our fellow airline employees regret their last couple of foolish feel good ones.
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Dh8Classic
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
I would suggest to Gilles that if he wants to get the airlines going again, he not bother with Trudeau. Gilles should ask his new master for permission.
https://etcanada.com/news/686401/docume ... isis-hero/
Make sure to listen to the answer in full Gilles, you probably voted for it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE
How dare you steal dreams Gilles. You haven't done enough.
https://etcanada.com/news/686401/docume ... isis-hero/
Make sure to listen to the answer in full Gilles, you probably voted for it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE
How dare you steal dreams Gilles. You haven't done enough.
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
Greta, Trudeau, Trump, Kim Jong Un, are all riding the coattails of their parents who actually had brains.
But Greta's parents were professional actors in their home country.
But Greta's parents were professional actors in their home country.
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
Those aren't people, they're brands.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
Europe Covid levels back to what they were in March. Remove all of Europe from the list....
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/covid ... 08150.html
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/covid ... 08150.html
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Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
Copied from another thread:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/li ... d=msedgdhp
Justin Trudeau did an interview today and said that he plans to unveil an ambitious green agenda. This agenda almost certainly does not include your aviation career.
4 out of the 5 federal parties in the last election had green agenda platforms while one defended our current way of life. It would be interesting to know what party some of the posters on this thread voted for. If it was one of the four parties with a green platform, then you should congratulate yourself for voting yourself out of your career. It would seem odd that those people would now be complaining.
Votes have consequences.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/li ... d=msedgdhp
Justin Trudeau did an interview today and said that he plans to unveil an ambitious green agenda. This agenda almost certainly does not include your aviation career.
4 out of the 5 federal parties in the last election had green agenda platforms while one defended our current way of life. It would be interesting to know what party some of the posters on this thread voted for. If it was one of the four parties with a green platform, then you should congratulate yourself for voting yourself out of your career. It would seem odd that those people would now be complaining.
Votes have consequences.
Re: Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions
The Greek government(and governments in Greece are not exactly the best at managing things) has now been accused of hiding Covid cases to keep tourists coming in....Gilles Hudicourt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:10 ampelmet wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:45 am Looks like Greece can be removed from the list as well. Maybe stick to Greek restaurants in Canada. Hardly any cases in Windsor yet still in stage 2. I’m sure the restaurant owners there don’t want airlines profiting on Covid tourists.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thesun. ... -high/amp/
Faroe Islands can stay on the list though.
Meanwhile in Germany.......
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.bbc.com ... e-53622797
Grece has one third of Canada's population.
Grece had a grand total of 212 Covid deaths. They have an average of 1 death per day this week......
Canada had 9000 deaths and averages 7 deaths per day these days
Germany has two and half times Canada's population
They had 9000 deaths and average 3 deaths per day this week.
Take a deep breath and try Camomille tea
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/gre ... sts-around
Meanwhile, you quote three deaths per day in Germany several weeks ago. Now it is 36 deaths in the first four days of Septemeber(and it is possible that not all stats are in yet for this week.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/germany/
