CDC release study on masks during covid. Efficacy is 0.5-1.9 percent.

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Ruddervator wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:59 pm Censorship is apparently more harmful than misinformation.
The wrong people are being censored as usual.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/heal ... e=Homepage
“Dr. Walensky spoke broadly during this interview,” an agency spokesman told The Times. “It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get Covid-19. The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.”
That's the CDC director, you know the Head Corona Expert...for all of you talking about qualifications.
Turns out she doesn't know either. Enjoy Easter.
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Evidence has been in for a while that you can get Covid after being vaccinated. One of many stories I have read. This one is in Washington State with over 100 fully vaccinated people getting Covid.

https://m.thebl.com/us-news/over-100-fu ... id-19.html
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rookiepilot wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:33 pm I don't know about anyone else, but I'm really tired of your uninformed, Monday morning quarterbacking tirades Montado. You're certainly not a medical professional from your comments. So what are your qualifications to comment intelligently?

How about the Mods put a stop to these endless, in reality, politically driven rants.

This is nothing to do with aviation, either.

ALL of us are severely inconvenienced and financially hurt by this pandemic whether we work in the industry or not.
Wow really. We have been inconvenienced by the pandemic? Don't you mean to say by the politics?

You may not like my delivery, but did you chime in to Doug Ford's announcement. Can you tell my anything about it that you support? Here are the main points from what he said.

He said we are in a new pandemic, And the old pandemic was over but this is a new one.

He said we are going into an emergency brake shutdown. So I wanted to see what this means. It's basically a third way of saying what we did the previous two times. All that's changing is outdoor dining won't be allowed. Can you please show me where all the experts are that say outdoor dining is the problem?

Lastly I said Doug still has not figured out the basics of wearing a mask. Looks like maybe you are confused too. Here is some do's and don'ts of mask wearing for you.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... ering.html

I take it you did not watch the announcement. Doug was missing all the do's and don'ts... No hand washing... Stuffing the mask in his pocket. So can you tell me what the point is to wear a mask if you won't even do it right? The very man who says masks are mandatory wears the mask like it's a joke.

These politicians running this gong show are all cancers to our society. I have lost all patience for the completely idiotic political game show going on. The reporters who asked questions literally said they were not getting answers to what they asked. One even said they don't want to ask a follow up question because they are not answering the questions to begin with.
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Ruddervator wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:59 pm Censorship is apparently more harmful than misinformation.
These are not separate. 2 sides of the same coin.
Censorship is what makes misinformation work.
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The most important video about masks,that was based on decades of mask research... And then somehow public opinion and hysteria (along with mostly politics) mutated into science. Then people crusified Tam.

Dr. Tam thank you for the most logical explanation of masks I have ever seen in the video below. How many times did Doug Ford remove his mask last press conference and stuff it in his pocket. Did he wash his hands? Mask policy is completely idiotic. Decades of science prove that. Listen to how logical what she is saying is. Then go look at covid cases in Texas with no mandatory masks... Are you slowly coming around to leaving your hysterical idiotic beliefs?

How do you convince millions of Canadians that masks need to be worn and throw out decades of mask science? You get the media to convince everyone they are grandma killers if they don’t wear a mask. :rolleyes:

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montado wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:42 pm
    How do you convince millions of Canadians that masks need to be worn and throw out decades of mask science?
    In case you didn’t know, according to Health Canada since yesterday, masks are bad again. They have issued an advisory because they contained graphene.

    If anyone thinks everything about masks is already known and new information isn’t worthwhile, go ahead and keep inhaling those graphene masks....against the advisory.

    Should you believe Health Canada experts? Do a simple risk assessment if you (like me) don’t really understand the Science. It is simple enough to avoid those masks.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-ca ... 1.5372822
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    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 am In case you didn’t know, according to Health Canada since yesterday, masks are bad again. They have issued an advisory because they contained graphene.

    If anyone thinks everything about masks is already known and new information isn’t worthwhile, go ahead and keep inhaling those graphene masks....against the advisory.

    Should you believe Health Canada experts? Do a simple risk assessment if you (like me) don’t really understand the Science. It is simple enough to avoid those masks.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-ca ... 1.5372822
    CTV News wrote:The products affected are listed as “face masks labelled as containing graphene or biomass graphene"
    In other words, not all face masks are affected, and you can easily tell which ones are. The affected products have also been recalled. Interpreting that article as, and I quote,
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 ammasks are bad again
    Is disingenuous and a gross misinterpretation.

    Baby food has been recalled too, from time to time. This really isn't that big of a deal.
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 am
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 ammasks are bad again
    Is disingenuous and a gross misinterpretation.

    Baby food has been recalled too, from time to time. This really isn't that big of a deal.
    How is that disingenuous? They recalled the masks. They recalled the baby food. That means you shouldn't use them. What an odd way to interpret what I said.

    I didn't say ALL masks. I clearly stated the ones with graphene. It is basic reading comprehension. Read in context!

    Why do people feel like they need to nitpick and argue about everything.

    I hope you are not suggesting that the "recall" solves the problem. They've already sold thousands of these, and the people who are currently wearing them, probably should heed the advisory.
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 am
    In other words, not all face masks are affected, and you can easily tell which ones are.
    You can easily tell which ones. Really. Did you miss the part where it says it includes the BLUE ones?

    Meaning it looks identical to the most common mask you see everywhere?

    You've got to look at the packaging and label because you can't tell which ones just by looking at the mask itself.
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    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:13 am I didn't say ALL masks. I clearly stated the ones with graphene.
    (emphasis mine)

    No sir, you did not. You said:
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 am In case you didn’t know, according to Health Canada since yesterday, masks are bad again. They have issued an advisory because they contained graphene.

    If anyone thinks everything about masks is already known and new information isn’t worthwhile, go ahead and keep inhaling those graphene masks....against the advisory.
    Nowhere in your comment did you say "masks containing graphene are bad", or "some masks are bad". You did not say "some masks contained graphene". You said "because they contained graphene". It is most definitely not clearly stated.

    If I were to tell you "airplanes have crashed", then yes, you would assume I am referring to some airplanes. But if I tell you "airplanes have propellers", the intent of my message is less clear. If I tell you "airplanes have wings", it is a safe assumption that I am referring to all airplanes, but it is still an assumption. If I were to say (and please forgive the racist reference, I employ it only as an example) "Muslims are terrorists", it will be near universally understood that I am speaking of all Muslims, or at least followers of Islam in general.

    Likewise, "masks are bad" is unclear at best - and IMO most people would assume your are speaking of all masks.

    This is exactly how misinformation spreads, and eventually becomes "fake news". You are assuming that the recipient will interpret your message exactly as you intended to convey it. This assumption is (assuming noble intent) the only way misinformation ever spreads. Anyone who's played a game of broken telephone in kindergarten understands this (that was not meant to be an insult, sir). If you fail to understand this, you are a part of the problem.

    This is not a minor point in my opinion. It is the cause of immeasurable miscommunication and misunderstanding in this world. Wars have started over misunderstandings simpler than this.
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:20 am You can easily tell which ones. Really. Did you miss the part where it says it includes the BLUE ones?

    Meaning it looks identical to the most common mask you see everywhere?

    You've got to look at the packaging and label because you can't tell which ones just by looking at the mask itself.
    I assumed you needed to look at the packaging, however I also assumed you could tell by looking at the mask. Apparently you are not the only person making unwarranted assumptions :oops:. I stand corrected.
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:24 am Nowhere in your comment did you say "masks containing graphene are bad", or "some masks are bad". You did not say "some masks contained graphene". You said "because they contained graphene". It is most definitely not clearly stated.
    Jesus, so everyone has to say things the way you would say it? I did not say all of them have graphene either. I posted a link if you aren't clear and you even read it.
    What is wrong with you? This is "word thinking". This is what disingenuous looks like. You intentionally chose to read it as if I said "all masks" even though you yourself understood I am refering to the article. Anyone who has basic reading comprehension will understand reading in context.
    I assumed you needed to look at the packaging, however I also assumed you could tell by looking at the mask. Apparently you are not the only person making unwarranted assumptions :oops:. I stand corrected.
    Well the article clearly said "The products affected are listed as “face masks labelled as containing graphene or biomass graphene”"...so it's not really an assumption that you should look at the label.

    It also has a photo that says the "These grey and blue face masks contain nano graphene and was distributed to workers"....just look at the photo man.

    Are you going to argue they don't look exactly like the common mask you see everywhere?
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    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:42 am What is wrong with you? This is "word thinking".
    Considering we are using words to communicate, that's rather important. People see words, and then think they understand what they mean. That is the only way we understand each other - by hearing or seeing words, and then thinking about them. Oftentimes people think they mean different things, and I am arguing that this is a particularly apt example of it.

    All understanding of language is "word thinking", because we are not telepathic.
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:42 am Well the article clearly said "The products affected are listed as “face masks labelled as containing graphene or biomass graphene”"...so it's not really an assumption that you should look at the label.

    It also has a photo that says the "These grey and blue face masks contain nano graphene and was distributed to workers"....just look at the photo man. Are you going to argue it doesn't look exactly like the common mask you see?
    I made an incorrect assumption and I was rightly corrected. Admittedly, I did skip over the picture and go right to the words (haha), but actually looking at those masks, they do look different - darker - than every disposable mask I have here. Maybe not everyone sees that, just like maybe not everyone reads your post and interprets it the same way.
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:54 am but actually looking at those masks, they do look different - darker - than every disposable mask I have here. Maybe not everyone sees that, just like maybe not everyone reads your post and interprets it the same way.
    Well yeah they just look dirtier to me than the masks i have.

    I'm not responsible for how everyone chooses to interpret my posts, I can't control that. That's why i provided a link! If you choose to read it the opposite of what the clarifying link says, then you intentionally did that. Don't put that on me. That is your own bias and comprehension issue. That is misrepresentation.
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    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:58 am I'm not responsible for how everyone reads my posts, that's why i provided a link! If you choose to read it the opposite of what the clarifying link says, then you intentionally did that. Don't put that on me. That is your own bias and comprehension issue. That is misrepresentation.
    True, you're not, and to be fair, you did provide a link for further clarification. But allow me that this is one reason people "rage reply" to a headline they read on Facebook when they didn't read the article it linked to. (Well, at least we're not raging...)

    It's more that when something like this gets posted on Internet forums, Twitter, Facebook, et al, it gets reposted, shared, retweeted, whatever you call it. It becomes part of the public conversation. I don't think we can collectively absolve ourselves of all responsibility to be understood accurately if we intend to have an informed and intelligent public discourse.

    You may disagree, or we might only disagree on how much effort one should make to be understood. I can respect that opinion and disagree with it.

    Actually, I'm betting that the graphene is intended to be some kind of cheap activated charcoal filter. Probably seemed like a good idea at the time.
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    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:13 am
    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 am
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 ammasks are bad again
    Is disingenuous and a gross misinterpretation.

    Baby food has been recalled too, from time to time. This really isn't that big of a deal.
    Why do people feel like they need to nitpick and argue about everything.
    Hello Pot, meet Kettle...
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    Hot Wings wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:07 am
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:13 am
    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 am
    Is disingenuous and a gross misinterpretation.

    Baby food has been recalled too, from time to time. This really isn't that big of a deal.
    Why do people feel like they need to nitpick and argue about everything.
    Hello Pot, meet Kettle...
    I find your reference to me as a kettle to be insulting. I identify as a skillet.

    I demand you offer an unrepentant and immediate apology and retract your post.
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    Hot Wings wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:07 am
    OneYonge wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:13 am
    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:24 am
    Is disingenuous and a gross misinterpretation.

    Baby food has been recalled too, from time to time. This really isn't that big of a deal.
    Why do people feel like they need to nitpick and argue about everything.
    Hello Pot, meet Kettle...

    Poor use of the expression but OK
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:05 am I don't think we can collectively absolve ourselves of all responsibility to be understood accurately if we intend to have an informed and intelligent public discourse.
    Fair enough but I'm willing to clarify. How can I do that if you already assume I meant something that I didn't.

    Id say today's airplanes are quiet if im referring to some A380 article. The Dutch are tall if im referring to their door height. Im not going to say "not all" everytime. That is nitpicking. I definitely never argue over semantics because the context is obvious.
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    This thread's crazier than a three-testicled titmouse.
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    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:02 pm
    Especially when you remember that Socrates and Copernicus were both executed for it, and we now revere them as visionaries without equal.
    Please, tell us more about Copernicus' execution.
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    shimmydampner wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:45 pm
    RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:02 pm
    Especially when you remember that Socrates and Copernicus were both executed for it, and we now revere them as visionaries without equal.
    Please, tell us more about Copernicus' execution.
    Oops. Allow me to place my foot firmly into my mouth. I honestly did believe he was burned at the stake for some reason. I read On The Revolutions (which for obvious reasons does not cover the manner of his death). I feel like a complete ass. And kudos for reading far enough back in this thread to smack me upside the head with my own untruth,
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    Just reminiscing the 2019 baseball season.
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    Oh wait, this was this weekend! OMG do they all want to die! :rolleyes: These guys don’t know the science that I know. My fearless leader is doing the right thing and says it’s to dangerous to even eat outside.
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    Ohhh shettt! Call the police! While I do think mask policy is idiotic I will say... I don’t know the circumstances leading up to this... and secondly as soon as you are asked to remove yourself from the plane just GTFO. If they were polite about removing themselves from the aircraft and had a reasonable discussion on the ground the airline may have even put them on the next flight.

    May we live in interesting times.

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    montado wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:07 am
    May we live in interesting times.
    We live in very interesting times. Call the Police. She is a Science Follower.

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