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Just a word of caution folks in that the bitching and griping about your airline doesn’t instill confidence in persons such as myself – the fare paying public especially if said talk is getting outside of this forum – which it is.Flaps30GreenLight wrote:We get Profit Sharing? Must to have missed that.
We all bitch, Christ I am retired with not a bad pension and I bitch worse that an old woman sometimes. However, I detect a level of bitterness with items on this particular series of posts and there is quite a difference in general bitchiness and bitterness in my vieweastdude wrote:Just google anyone of those other airlines and you can find many people bitching about those other airlines.
That doesn't even make sense. Perhaps you could go visit an Air Canada thread on PPRune WRT OAC vs. ex-CDN and check back with us. That never-ending battle makes any mild resentment at CanJet seem like Mr. Roger's neighbourhood.owever, I detect a level of bitterness with items on this particular series of posts and there is quite a difference in general bitchiness and bitterness in my view
Never say never, but.. Transat went to Canjet for charter flying because Westjet didn't have the aircraft available to do the flying Transat wanted. We've increased our domestic flying into YHZ significantly this summer and only some of it will stay for the winter but don't be surprised to see more charter flying going to WJ and less to Canjet. We had one aircraft dedicated to charter flying out of YHZ - that's the only city in our network that had a dedicated aircraft for charter flying. Transat wants more and I'm sure our scheduling department is doing whatever they can to get an extra aircraft out East for the needs of Transat.Alot of CanJet's future depends on it's contracts with the vacation sector, If Transat offers up big numbers as well as Sunquest Vacations you may very well see a fleet expantion/change, or maybe a purchase of Harmony is in the cards?
IMP (Ken Rowe) is not short on cash. The money is there to make a deal.195psi wrote:I would ahve thought Harmony would look at buying Canjet.That last letter from Julie Gossen wasn't very inspiring.
I would think with Ken Rowe's feelings towards unions he would want to get out with some $$ and shift all the worries to Harmony.
David Ho seems to have the cash to take on the challenge and grow an airline.
I don't see how he can make any money the way they presently operate but who knows.
It's an opportunity for someone.Wether it's good or bad will remain to be seen.
The past would indicate bad.
I find that hard to believe. Westjet has dibs on ALL Transat flying and any flying that did go to Canjet was because Westjet didn't have the aircraft/crews available to do the flying Transat needed out East. I would say the "pissing off customers" remark you made was told to you by someone who heard from someone who heard from someone who... well you get the point.less charters from Transat this winter, not likely. One of the key reasons we do so many charters for Transat is because WJ actually pissed off alot of customers the year before last. Anytime there was a delay or IROPS, the WJ agents simply gave a 1-800 number to call Transat Vacations. That same winter, CanJet agents were contracted to handle Air Transat's ground operations out of Halifax, and were pleased with the service provided during delays, IROPS etc..... Thus, alot of the charter flying was handed over to CanJet the following season.
Your rumors might be true about more charter flying this year. Guess you'll find out when your sked is released.I'm not saying that was the only reason Transat gave all that flying to CanJet, but it certainly helped. Rumours going around doesn't go anywhere near a reduction in charter flying but a huge increase this fall. That being said, charter contracts are like longer term cargo contracts, one year you have one, the next you don't.
The other faint rumour is CanJet purchasing Harmony?? Anybody with HMY want to comment on this?
CanadaEH wrote:Never say never, but.. Transat went to Canjet for charter flying because Westjet didn't have the aircraft available to do the flying Transat wanted. We've increased our domestic flying into YHZ significantly this summer and only some of it will stay for the winter but don't be surprised to see more charter flying going to WJ and less to Canjet. We had one aircraft dedicated to charter flying out of YHZ - that's the only city in our network that had a dedicated aircraft for charter flying. Transat wants more and I'm sure our scheduling department is doing whatever they can to get an extra aircraft out East for the needs of Transat.Alot of CanJet's future depends on it's contracts with the vacation sector, If Transat offers up big numbers as well as Sunquest Vacations you may very well see a fleet expantion/change, or maybe a purchase of Harmony is in the cards?
CanadaEH wrote:I find that hard to believe. Westjet has dibs on ALL Transat flying and any flying that did go to Canjet was because Westjet didn't have the aircraft/crews available to do the flying Transat needed out East. I would say the "pissing off customers" remark you made was told to you by someone who heard from someone who heard from someone who... well you get the point.less charters from Transat this winter, not likely. One of the key reasons we do so many charters for Transat is because WJ actually pissed off alot of customers the year before last. Anytime there was a delay or IROPS, the WJ agents simply gave a 1-800 number to call Transat Vacations. That same winter, CanJet agents were contracted to handle Air Transat's ground operations out of Halifax, and were pleased with the service provided during delays, IROPS etc..... Thus, alot of the charter flying was handed over to CanJet the following season.
Your rumors might be true about more charter flying this year. Guess you'll find out when your sked is released.I'm not saying that was the only reason Transat gave all that flying to CanJet, but it certainly helped. Rumours going around doesn't go anywhere near a reduction in charter flying but a huge increase this fall. That being said, charter contracts are like longer term cargo contracts, one year you have one, the next you don't.
The other faint rumour is CanJet purchasing Harmony?? Anybody with HMY want to comment on this?
I don't say the only reason we went to CanJet is because WJ didn't have enough aircraft....man what are the puttin in that teal kool-aid you guys are drinkin...besides WJ is terminating it contracts with Transat prematurely in favor of it's own WJ Vacations just launched. WJ did indeed station an extra aircraft in YHZ for Transat (and did a great job... the pax love those PTV's) but the real requirement was YOW which CanJet fulfilled very well, and now outta Montreal for the summer
Since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, let me educate you a little bit.. Westjet is not terminating its contracts with Transat by launching Westjet Vacations. Westjet Vacations is being launched as a subsidiary to offer vacation packages on scheduled Westjet flights to scheduled Westjet destinations. Westjet Vacations will not be launching flights to the Carribean; nor will it offer vacation packages on other charter carriers to the Carribean. This subsidiary is not in direct competition with Transat, whatsoever.CANADA EH that statement you made the WJ has dibs on ALL Transat Flying is an out right FALSE statement!! why would you post such things??
Sorry Eastcoaster, I wasn't very clear in my post. As I understand it, Westjet has the right of first refusal on all Transat flying. What that means is that Transat will approach us first for any flying it may want to do. If we can work a charter flight into our schedule then we get the flying; if we can't work it into our schedule, Transat looks for another carrier to do the flying and that carrier gets the flying. As I said, this was mentioned during a quarterly conference call and is a fact.What I will comment on is the comments posted by Canada Eh. Westjet does not have any such agreement with Transat Holidays to provide exclusive air charter services. From what I do know, both companies have worked succesfully together in the past with Transat, but don't expect CanJet to have any LESS flying this winter. It's not a matter of Westjet having no capacity or being unable to base a plane anywhere. CanJet continues to operate flights for Transat on a weekly basis elsewhere in their network, so don't expect any changes from that respect. However, should CanJet acquire more aircraft, the planes will be busy, be it flying for Transat, or another tour operator. No worries about not having enough flying for the planes but rather enough planes for the scheduled flying.
Now there is some wishful thinking.What I will comment on is the comments posted by Canada Eh. Westjet does not have any such agreement with Transat Holidays to provide exclusive air charter services.
If you knew how sensitive your comment was why post it?Huge Hammer wrote:Now there is some wishful thinking.What I will comment on is the comments posted by Canada Eh. Westjet does not have any such agreement with Transat Holidays to provide exclusive air charter services.
CEh is absolutely correct. WS has right of first refusal on all TTC flights.
Conversely WS can't operate a charter for anyone else on a charter route without first offerring it to TTC.
Nice attempt at some pot stirring but some newfies simply do not have their facts right.
Just kidding about the newfie comment, I know how sensitive you NS guys are.
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