Ferrying aircraft for time building

[Bede]

And remember the definition of reward includes “any payment”, of which reimbursement is one. The intent seems unarguable and unambiguous to me.

And "reward" can include the time built if the intent is for the person to continue to a commercial license.

One possible "out" for PPL's doing this is the case where a PPL offers to take another pilot's plane somewhere, but that PPL has no intentions of becoming a CPL, he's just out for some experience in another plane.

That's incorrect in Canada. True in the US though.

[AirFrame]

That's incorrect in Canada. True in the US though.

Oh? Do you have a reference that confirms time building is not considered compensation?

[photofly]

In Canada we can say it's not considered compensation because there is no published tribunal case or even an opinion where it has been considered as such. That stands in contrast to the situation in the USA, where it has explicitly been judged a benefit.

I think the opinion from the FAA legal counsel was in respect of parachute operations or glider towing - and that the pilot could refuse the "benefit" by omitting the hours so flown from their experience claimed. This is rather silly - that the legality of a flight at a time A depends on some entry or absence of entry at a future time B.

[Bede]

That's incorrect in Canada. True in the US though.

Oh? Do you have a reference that confirms time building is not considered compensation?

Sorry I don't. That's not really how it works though. TC won't put out of list of things that they allow/don't allow. What you can do though is go through the TATC decisions that deal with this CAR (start with Bellefleur) and the one's dealing with operating a commercial air service (see Selwan). You can get a pretty good idea what's allowed and what's not. (Illegal: taking people sightseeing, including "free" flight to lodge, flying real estate clients for "free", etc.) Other common activities for PPL holders (glider towing, minnow trapping, selling items out of the back of your airplane, camp checks, ferrying airplanes) have never been brought before the tribunal. That should give you a pretty good indication how the regulator interprets this CAR.

BTW, I don't think it's a good idea for a low time pilot to ferry aircraft and I don't see this as being a viable proposition. First, ferry flying is some of the most demanding flying out there. Unless it's a common type, getting insurance will be difficult too.