Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions

[pelmet]

Well there you have it Gilles....the shutdowns are starting again in Canada. And that is without even opening up to all those European and other countries on the list.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b ... d=msedgdhp

B.C. is ordering nightclubs and stand-alone banquet halls closed, ending the sale of liquor at restaurants past 10 p.m. and telling venues to reduce the volume of music to conversational levels, as cases of COVID-19 continue to spike in the province.

Bars and restaurants must close by 11 p.m., unless they are serving food.

The amendments to public health orders come as the province reported 429 new cases of COVID-19 over a four-day period, bringing the total to 6,591. Two more people, both in long-term care, have died of the virus.


The new numbers represent four reporting periods over the long weekend. Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said 123 of the cases were recorded between Friday and Saturday, 116 were reported between Saturday and Sunday, 107 between Sunday and Monday, and 83 new cases were confirmed between Monday and Tuesday.

There are three new health-care associated outbreaks, at Burnaby General Hospital, Rideau Retirement Centre and Holy Family Hospital. There are no new community outbreaks, though there have been several exposure events in the Lower Mainland. Hospitalizations in B.C. remain relatively stable, with 32 people in hospital and 12 in intensive care.

Henry said the amended orders were issued as "a last resort."

"We recognize that these venues have tried. We've made adjustments but there are still exposures happening," she said.

"Going to a nightclub, going to a bar, going to somebody's home — close spaces with face-to-face encounters with people we don't know … that's a risk."

Reduce personal contacts
Henry also reiterated that B.C. residents should be easing up on social interactions as the fall approaches, reining in bubbles to five or six people.

She said the province's philosophical approach to the pandemic has been to issue minimal mandatory restrictions — but that exposures in venues like nightclubs had become a "major source" of transmission, putting strain on public health resources.

"We want to do the least amount we can by order, and make sure we can support people to do the right things they need to do for their own individual situation," she said.

Asked whether she fears that shuttering nightclubs will drive people to private parties, she said the province would continue issuing fines, especially to repeat offenders. But despite the spike in cases linked to private events and venues, Henry said B.C. is "lucky" that community transmission remains relatively low, and that the province is not considering delaying the return to school.

"If we do not put our priority as a community back on [schools], we will have long-term generational downsides," she said.

Henry said she felt restaurants remain safe — adding she "couldn't survive without them" — especially as the industry has worked hard to implement individualized safety plans.

'Second ripple'
Earlier Tuesday, Henry said B.C. was experiencing a "second ripple" of cases of COVID-19 and that she was looking at bringing in new measures to help curb the spread of the virus.

At the beginning of the pandemic, health officials and epidemiologists predicted a second wave, possibly connected to colder weather. Now, modelling predicts a pattern of cases more like ripples or "moguls," as Henry has previously called them, that will spike upwards when enough people in a population become complacent around physical distancing measures.

"I think we're probably in our second ripple," said Henry, speaking to CBC's The Early Edition on Tuesday morning.

"Partly, it's because our testing has gone up and we've had contact with larger numbers in younger people. And I think people needed a bit of a release during the summer. It was very extreme measures that we took in March and April, and it was very concerning for people."

On Tuesday, potential exposure was confirmed among staff and students at a private school in West Vancouver. In a letter to parents, the head of Mulgrave School, John Wray, wrote that the exposure occurred while Grade 9 students were away from campus for an off-site day camp experience.

Vancouver Coastal Health is now conducting contact tracing and those students and staff are self-isolating for two weeks. The students were all part of the same learning group, and the camp activities took place outdoors, with physical distancing measures in place.

"We have had such a successful start to the year. This event may feel like a setback, but such exposures are expected and we have faith in the system that Vancouver Coastal Health has put in place," wrote Wray in the letter.

B.C.'s restrictions began to ease in mid-May, as public health orders were gradually lifted. B.C. entered Phase 3 of its pandemic response plan in late June, allowing for travel within the province.

By mid-July, cases had begun to climb steadily upwards, and B.C. recorded its highest single-day jump in new cases on Aug. 28.

"We had a bit of a grace period in the summer, and allowed people to have that time," said Henry. "We know we need to put our focus and attention on priority things like getting children back into school."

[pelmet]

Trudeau today mentioned the possibility that there could be a shutdown if there is a second wave. It was not direct, just a hint. But this is why we need the quarantine for foreign arrivals and minimize international travel until politicians aren't going to shut down due to covid cases......

""Canadians need to continue to be vigilant," Trudeau said in a news conference in Toronto. "The last thing that anyone wants is to have to once again shut down our economies and spend our lives to try and counter a massive second wave."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ca ... d=msedgdhp

[brooks]

There will also be an election if he calls for a second shutdown. If the US has taught us anything it is we could loosen up restrictions a bit more and still not get anywhere close to what they are seeing down south. You can cause more death in your country by suffocating the economy than Coronavirus ever will.

Why don't our airports have proper testing facilities to allow international travel to proceed? Why are we still stuck in April? Call an election and lets get this economy moving!

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Ugh! Would love to see an election but that was chaos major delays in border opening i think too.....

[whipline]

If the government won’t listen maybe we as a group should make them listen. Everyone stop flying. Shut it all down. See what the politicians think when they have to ride the bus.

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Not remotely enough unity in the pilot group to sustain such an action. People are debt laden and must maintain cash flow.....

[RRJetPilot]

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Great video with actual numbers and no BS

[JohnnyHotRocks]

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Great video with actual numbers and no BS

Thanks for posting that. Really worth the watch!

[pelmet]

The first country to impose a second full lockdown is Israel........

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/is ... d=msedgdhp

[RRJetPilot]

Wow completely out of touch with reality, facts, and science based outcomes. There will be countries that do it right (Sweden) and there will be countries that do it wrong (Isreal). They can lock down all they want, they are just delaying the inevitable while destroying any chance of a normal future for their youth. I feel sad for them. I think there will be mass public backlash there.

[RRJetPilot]

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[pelmet]

Israel wasn't on the list that opened this thread...but the Czech Republic is.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/cz ... d=msedgdhp

Record surge and way worse than Canada.

[RRJetPilot]

And pretty much no deaths. Can we also please keep a daily chart of every other sickness and virus in the world where pretty much everyone that isn't about to die anyways recovers? No one would leave the bunker.

[AuxBatOn]

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The more relevant graph is the daily deaths one. Since masks were mandatory, the number of daily deaths is pretty much nil. Guess why? Viral load. While the mask isn’t perfect, it is great at reducing the viral load one might be exposed to which, according to this article, is a big factor in the severity of the disease. A lower viral load also seems to affect the infectivity of the virus.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 4/fulltext

[RRJetPilot]

Most people transmit the virus in small close space indoor setting with people they know over a period of time. Where masks are not being worn anyways.

[AuxBatOn]

Most people transmit the virus in small close space indoor setting with people they know over a period of time. Where masks are not being worn anyways.

That’s because we have to wear masks in other settings, otherwise the virus would also be transmitted in those settings....

[RRJetPilot]

Most people transmit the virus in small close space indoor setting with people they know over a period of time. Where masks are not being worn anyways.

That’s because we have to wear masks in other settings, otherwise the virus would also be transmitted in those settings....

There is no evidence for what you are saying. Curves are the same in all countries with or without masks. Death rates are plummeting even though cases are increasing. By your logic death rates should be increasing because viral load transmission is high in close personal settings (where masks are not worn), and where transmission comes from.

I understand you are scared and no one will convince you. But its good for your mental health to look at all the data across countries.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/denmark-s ... -1.5720508

[AuxBatOn]

Most people transmit the virus in small close space indoor setting with people they know over a period of time. Where masks are not being worn anyways.

That’s because we have to wear masks in other settings, otherwise the virus would also be transmitted in those settings....

There is no evidence for what you are saying. Curves are the same in all countries with or without masks. Death rates are plummeting even though cases are increasing. By your logic death rates should be increasing because viral load transmission is high in close personal settings (where masks are not worn), and where transmission comes from.

I understand you are scared and no one will convince you. But its good for your mental health to look at all the data across countries.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/denmark-s ... -1.5720508

[pelmet]

1000% proof that I have been correct all along. Correct in the fact that the politicians are willing to shut down again and we all know that increased tourism in Europe increased the spread of Covid. You can argue all you want about deaths and be completely correct. You can argue all you want about how it is an over-reaction and be correct. But it doesn't change the fact that the shutdowns will happen again if we get too many cases.

"A second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic is coming, Ontario Premier Doug Ford says, and government officials are prepared to enact any and all measures necessary to mitigate the impact, including a second lockdown."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... d=msedgdhp

[RRJetPilot]

LOL I watched that and he can say anything he wants, his own health minister said the opposite, where they will do anything they can not to move backwards. You are not right at all.

You are welcome to come back on here if there is an ACTUAL LOCK-DOWN instead of talking points and threats from politicians. I will 100% concede I was wrong when that happens. I am open to the possibility of anything happening, including a meteor hitting the earth. But realistically and thinking with COMMON SENSE, there will be no lock-down because the deaths/hospitalizations are not happening AND there is too much economic/mental/collateral damage.
Look at your mental health as an example. Deteriorating!

[pelmet]

Who knows what will happen for sure. But there are a lot of stupid fools on this thread that voted for Justin/NDP/Bloc, all of which have leaders who campaigned for and are supporting the war on carbon emissions. And now they are out of a job with with a government and opposition determined to keep it that way.

By the time one admits they are wrong.....it’s too late.

And by the way, we have seen new lockdowns in Australia, New Zealand, and Israel. Any takers on who will be next.

[Inverted2]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-i ... carbon-tax

Read this article. They are going to drastically increase the carbon tax soon. Airlines will have to raise prices significantly and it will result in fewer people flying.

[pelmet]

Well Gilles,

Are you glad that we didn't have lots of flight to Europe this summer. Ontario has proved that they will impose more restrictions based strictly on case numbers and Europe has loads of cases.....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medica ... d=msedgdhp

"The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that coronavirus cases are surging alarmingly in Europe, as a "very serious situation" unfolds across the continent."

[3down&loct]

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Great video with actual numbers and no BS

Thanks for that link. I have been looking for something like this for a while. How the hell can anyone argue the facts that this guy put together. So many people I know totally think we are screwed and a second wave will have the same consequences as the first. None of these individuals actually do any research. They get all their info from the best sources out there ( insert sarcasm) , the MEDIA.

I have also spoken to a few people that have been unable to visit their loved ones on their death beds in the Atlantic provinces because of this fucking ridiculous bubble. The provinces need to be sued over this for direct violation of human rights. It is so dam ridiculous it makes my blood boil. How the @#$! these politicians sleep at night is beyond me.
We need to make getting the borders open soonest a priority, as we dam well know that Trudope and his cronies will not lift a dam finger to help out the airlines.

[Aviatard]

So many people I know totally think we are screwed and a second wave will have the same consequences as the first. None of these individuals actually do any research. They get all their info from the best sources out there ( insert sarcasm) , the MEDIA.

I have also spoken to a few people that have been unable to visit their loved ones on their death beds in the Atlantic provinces because of this fucking ridiculous bubble. The provinces need to be sued over this for direct violation of human rights. It is so dam ridiculous it makes my blood boil. How the @#$! these politicians sleep at night is beyond me.
We need to make getting the borders open soonest a priority, as we dam well know that Trudope and his cronies will not lift a dam finger to help out the airlines.

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