Encore AME jobs

[Deadeye]

Nice try. RK is there and a good buddy of mine. $33.10 + 7% aca AME. $36.41+7% aca Lead. $38.07 + 7%Crew Chief. These are the Top of scale. Feel free to check. Since you can get the "real scale" go ahead and post away. PM me your email and I'll save you the trouble and send them direct.

[Troubleshot]

OK, well it takes 6-7 years to get to those numbers. WJ Main line (737) start at those numbers. Did your buddy by chance tell you what the starting numbers are at Encore? because they are still dismal and unchanged. Disclaimer, I worked at WestJet for a few years so I have access to both scales from friends that are still there.

The problem isn't the numbers you mentioned, it is the starting salary that blows at Encore and the amount of time it takes to make a decent salary. Stack up a Porter AME vs. Encore AME and it takes 5 years for the Encore AME to catch up.

Again I am not saying that Encore is a bad place etc...just saying that they are behind in wages.

[jetsetfly]

The guys who signed up with Encore from the start initially were bumped to the top of the pay scale from what I have been told so they are sitting at around 33 or more an hour plus the ACA pay. They will catch up with Mainline very soon from what I am seeing as Mainline Wages are not getting increased much but hopefully with the 767 coming in and the selected few who get the Endoresment on that will hopefully get a raise but who knows they might even contract that out

[ScaredKnuckles]

Troublshoot, I'm pretty sure I know who you are (Wind Farmer)....but I wont post your initials. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I actually work at WJ and have been involved with AMEA in the comp negotiations with Encore. You have made yourself look like an idiot throughout this whole thread. No one viewing this should put an once of stock in anything you say. You said the wage increase was not true and that you called out a guy to post numbers. He did and he is correct. Haven't seen the scale you said you were going to post. I would suspect you probably didn't even take the offer to get the scale from Deadeye .Since you are so privy to all this info perhaps you can educate us on the Encore scale and how it compares to Jazz and Porter. I will say this. Encore will hire based on experience and past performance. They will pay for quality not just years in the industry. An experienced AME with proven performance in the industry would be brought in at the top end and top out within 1 to 2 yrs and with that making more than what they ( jazz and Porter) are at. I have the comparisons, its what was used in the proposal matrix. First year licensed AME of course level 1 of 6. Everyone pays there dues. Your next idiotic statement that Mainline hires on at the same as a topped out AME at Encore is wrong as well. Please, I would love for you to post and educate us in that regard as well. Low 20s was the wage issue when this started. The Encore guys stuck it out and fought. Got it up over $10 hr and its being revisited in the spring. You may see all WJ techs get the same rate if the EVP don't want to continue the tiered pay scale when the 67s come online. Ill make you a second offer....how bout you PM me your email and I will send you the scales so you can educate all of us on the TRUTH.
By the way all the shit Troubleshoot posts about how good he has it as a wind farm manager is BS. Might be Wind Turbine tech at best. Mabey 28-30hr at most working in shit conditions living in a shithole town. But....it has a WalMart Thank God!. Don't let this guy fool you. His talk is mostly BS at that, proven by his last couple of post.
Carry on and keep talking S**t cause it seems like that's all you do.

[UnderPX]

Come on Troubleshot.
We're all waiting for you to post and educate us on pay Scales that you said you would. Let's see your comparisons. First you call out a guy to post some numbers, which he did while ensuring everyone here that there was no increase ( miracle raise ), which there has been. It's not news. It went through last week. I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about. Seems like you are on here to just run your mouth and make everyone think you know something. Pretty weak trait. Glad you washed out of aviation. Pretty obvious why. Ironic your handle is Troubleshot. Comm'on you talk the big talk. You KNOW guys at WJ. Let's see your numbers and comparison to Jazz, Porter and WJ Mainline.

[NeverBlue]

just saying that they are behind in wages.

...not behind Air Canada...

[Troubleshot]

Air Canada

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[NeverBlue]

...everybody starts at the same point and it takes time for your wage to increase to the top...no difference at all.

[DeRated]

Those are AC not Jazz. Even so, AC is on a 10 year scale. Encore 6 years. Plus they hire at year 4 if you have the proven goods to bring, just not a license and a smile. Minus union dues add in WJ profit share, owner performance and stock. Encore is far better. BTW Mainline dose not start at Encore top rates. Either post the Encore scales like you said you would or refrain from running you trap like you actually know something. From all your previous comments, it would seem you don't. Keep swingin for the fences. You just keep looking more and more like an idiot.

[Troubleshot]

Troublshoot, I'm pretty sure I know who you are (Wind Farmer)....but I wont post your initials. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I actually work at WJ and have been involved with AMEA in the comp negotiations with Encore. You have made yourself look like an idiot throughout this whole thread. No one viewing this should put an once of stock in anything you say. You said the wage increase was not true and that you called out a guy to post numbers. He did and he is correct. Haven't seen the scale you said you were going to post. I would suspect you probably didn't even take the offer to get the scale from Deadeye .Since you are so privy to all this info perhaps you can educate us on the Encore scale and how it compares to Jazz and Porter. I will say this. Encore will hire based on experience and past performance. They will pay for quality not just years in the industry. An experienced AME with proven performance in the industry would be brought in at the top end and top out within 1 to 2 yrs and with that making more than what they ( jazz and Porter) are at. I have the comparisons, its what was used in the proposal matrix. First year licensed AME of course level 1 of 6. Everyone pays there dues. Your next idiotic statement that Mainline hires on at the same as a topped out AME at Encore is wrong as well. Please, I would love for you to post and educate us in that regard as well. Low 20s was the wage issue when this started. The Encore guys stuck it out and fought. Got it up over $10 hr and its being revisited in the spring. You may see all WJ techs get the same rate if the EVP don't want to continue the tiered pay scale when the 67s come online. Ill make you a second offer....how bout you PM me your email and I will send you the scales so you can educate all of us on the TRUTH.
By the way all the shit Troubleshoot posts about how good he has it as a wind farm manager is BS. Might be Wind Turbine tech at best. Mabey 28-30hr at most working in shit conditions living in a shithole town. But....it has a WalMart Thank God!. Don't let this guy fool you. His talk is mostly BS at that, proven by his last couple of post.
Carry on and keep talking S**t cause it seems like that's all you do.

OK I'm a BS'ing "wind farmer"...ok "comp negotiations" guy.... show me the real numbers then. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Seems to me all you have done is post baseless information, the same thing you are accusing me of. Three "first posters" are all attacking me...seems kinda trolly...I'm done with this. But I'll still get the Encore scale.

[NeverBlue]

all attacking me...

No they're not...just responding...you put it out there....you're the one that's been attacking throughout this thread.

How can you say something is "baseless information" when it's coming from the "horses mouth"?

Face it...it's over...you walked out of WJ and Porter and all the others that you claim in this industry years ago now... you don't know everything anymore...move on...

Do yourself a favour...leave it be...

[ourkid2000]

Easy everyone, sheesh....

Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. The bottom line is that Encore isn't going to win the race paying these high wages, if these are indeed accurate #'s. After all, aren't they trying to be the #1 low cost regional trying to carve a chunk out of the West? They're not going to do it paying AC wages are they? I'm not complaining by no means but aren't cheap labor costs the reason why these carriers exist in the first place?

[Troubleshot]

Ok so I have the Tech Dept. scales for Encore (thanks M. via facebook)

So you see ladies and gentlemen how people may get the wrong idea (like I did) when someone comes to thread to share a salary and only post the very top of the scale...Of course that looks good, any AMO could post the top of their scale and it would look very attractive.

Ok, I'll say first that I was wrong. The salaries for 2014 have gone up, in my defense the first guy WestJet I asked via text told me (and I quote) "not really much has changed there".

I had to copy this outta FB messenger FYI, but they are 100% accurate.

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[Pat Richard]

$33 after 5 years???

Yeah, that changes everything....no, wait...it's the extra buck an hour at the bottom..yeah, thats it...


Line starts behind me...no pushing or shoving.


What a game changer for encore





PHUKED UP INDUSTRY

[iflyforpie]

Wow........

2002 called and they want their wages back

Either that or maybe we should go back to $0.60/L gas, $3/gal milk, and $150,000 detached five bedroom houses.

[Pat Richard]

/l\ HA HA HA HA

[azimuthaviation]

Someone can clarify?

After five years means what? Five years experience? Five years licensed? Or five years at Encore? No ones been at Encore for five years so if there are people at step 4 5 and 6 are they 5 years licensed?

And what is the +7% is what?

$33.10 + 7% aca AME. $36.41+7% aca Lead. $38.07 + 7%Crew Chief

[Troubleshot]

Someone can clarify?

After five years means what? Five years experience? Five years licensed? Or five years at Encore? No ones been at Encore for five years so if there are people at step 4 5 and 6 are they 5 years licensed?

And what is the +7% is what?

$33.10 + 7% aca AME. $36.41+7% aca Lead. $38.07 + 7%Crew Chief

Ok the 7% is an ACA premium so you have to be endorsed and be given ACA authority, 7% of your hourly rate. So if you are brought in at the Starting rate ($22.48/HR) and given that shiny Q400 endorsement you've always dreamed of, you now are signing out a transport category aircraft for $24.05/HR.... The "steps" in the scale you are referring to are years at Encore. I would assume after 5 years you would probably only get cost of living raises (2% maybe, dunno). Every company does that different so they may have set structure for that. Perhaps "ScaredKnuckles" can comment seeing he is on the AMEA and is directly involved in "comp negotiations"

Encore may bring you in at higher "step" based on experience but this is very subjective I'm sure. They may have a matrix for that but I am not a 100% sure. For example, If you are 7 years licenced you may get put into Step 3 or something similar.

Here are the rates for AML and MOC also. They aren't super bad...but these positions don't come up that often.

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[azimuthaviation]

But isnt ACA redundant if you have that position?

ACA AME, ACA Lead, and Crew Chief would all already have ACA? So how can someone be in those positions and not getting the +7%?

[jetsetfly]

Like I said in my previous post anyone joining Encore is Guaranteed a course as soon as there is one you will be put in and after that you get ACA right away.

[iflyforpie]

Screw that. For $24/hr I want the least amount of responsibility as possible. Get me cleaning galleys or something.

[DeRated]

That's right. At $24/hr you will be a first year licensed AME.

//Personal attack removed by Sulako. Strike 1.

[Dash8300]

I read this forum from time to time but don’t often post.

I’ve been an AME for about 20 years and have worked for Borek, CRA, ACTS, and Avmax. I have been with WJ for about 10 years. I am a rep and have been a leader with WestJet’s AME Association (within the employee association) and a rep on the Compensation and Benefits committee. I was part of the compensation review for WJ AMEs in 2011 and participated in most of the Encore compensation review meetings that just took place. Part of my role includes research and reviewing of many collective agreements and pay scales for airlines and comparable industry positions in Canada.

I’m hoping I can clear up some of the misconceptions that have been posted on this forum about Encore wages and hiring.

Encore does not have a training bond and will not have a training bond.

The ACA rate is the same as WJ and ranges from 7 to 10% of base pay according to time with the ACA. The ACA is applied to AME, Lead and MCC positions. WJ and WJE will hire above the start rate depending on years of AME experience but typically not above step 3. The initial pay rates for Encore were low but were set so that Encore could be competitive in the regional airline market. The first few AMEs were hired as Leads with the understanding that as the company grew, they would transition from actively working on the aircraft to those leadership positions. Some of the initial positions also received bonuses. Due to the lack of Q400 AMEs in Canada and the challenges Encore had to attract applications, a compensation review was recently completed with Encore AMEs, the AMEA, Encore leadership, and WJ Compensation. We went through the same process WJ uses comparing to airline and non-airline rates. That resulted in the revised rates you’ve seen posted in this forum. Encore has successfully attracted some excellent, talented AMEs but needs to hire more to keep up with growth.

In regards to the number of steps in a pay scale, it’s better for the employee to have fewer steps and better for the employer to have more steps. If the pay range for a position starts at $10 and ends at $20, and there are only 5 steps, the employee gets to the top step much quicker. Adding steps does not mean more money in your pocket but it does mean an employer saves money by stretching the increase out over a longer period of time. Adding steps also does not mean adding more money to the top of the scale.

If you are interested in the opportunity to be part of the growth of WJ and WJ Encore, I encourage you to check out the job postings on westjet.com. If you would like to talk to the recruiter, an Encore AME, Encore leadership, or an AMEA rep to learn more about what it’s like to work here, fill out an application and let us know. There are lots of opportunities and it’s a great place to work. One of the things I’ve enjoyed most is the ability to have personal and direct conversations with leadership at all levels. (Gregg S bought me coffee this morning in the Starbucks line and we talked about recent industry news. How cool is that?)

I’m open to questions but won’t participate in pointless arguments or mudslinging.
Thanks.

[NeverBlue]

Wait...you don't hate your job and don't think everyone in this industry is stupid and wasting their time and earning potential??

...I feel like a sasquatch that has just seen bigfoot.

[Pat Richard]

So what's so exciting, except that you've found a rare kindred spirit?

There's nothing new or game changing in that post, just that he's name dropping saretsky buying him a coffee as an example of how cool the company is.

He's the reason for this whole mess and I know of no one, in maintenance wrenching, that has ever had anything good to say about him, me included. His business plan is to compete with Greyhound with airplanes at the expense of the employee's.
Now they're having trouble carrying out expansion plans because of a mostly uninterested AME population, so there reluctantly throwing a buck an hour to attempt to address that.