We're Almost There Guys
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Re: We're Almost There Guys
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They're Almost There Guys, Almost...
Well guys, I want to explain here, what it is, that you are missing out on.
Explain to you, what the real score is here. The REAL score, for YOU, as "The-Pilot".
The above people/pilots that we are talking about here, have NOT earned thier stripes,
They have NOT flown a JO through the dark of night, nor have they landed on a strip cut through the bush on a whim.
Not so many years ago, a pilot once told me that he had landed on a summer strip cut by a Skid-Steer, through the bush for the convienience of the local "fly-in-fishinig" Out-Post. Yet, 2-miles away, THE Actual strip for the lodge was located for later usage, and, that the Skid-Steer-Cut-Line (at that time used), was NOT actually suitable for the application intentended.
It was just a bush cut line and, he had gotten it WRONG...Landed but, wrong place dude.
The proper location, was similar, yet longer, and of better preparation; an actual aerodome it was.
Only 5-lives had been at stake that day, yet ALL enjoyed their stay, and later commented on the remoteness of it all; on the adventure.
Departure-Day came, for those involved, and was MUCH less eventful; and, made for a much less embelishment portion of the "trip/story/adventure".
The "Trip to Canada", and the fly-in-camp, where MUCH grandiose of pickerals were to be had...
That pilot later, went on to fly for Cathay, many years later. Never forgetting his "training".
That 777 pilot DID-NOT crash into the "Sea-Wall".
Another DID. One, who had NOT the proper training, and could NOT hand-fly the aircraft.
It seems, that the up-and-comer pilots of today, covet the position, but NOT the experience.
Do you wish the knowledge/experience of the position?
OR, perhaps, just the paycheck/lifstyle?
Those that are dead, can neither spend the paycheck, nor live the lifesyle, of those that have earned it.
Make sense?
If not, then go drive a bulldozer, up in the Yukon. Maybe even get yourself on TV...
Just a taste of what I see to become the norm, in the near furure.
Even for the so called professional, such as pilots.
They also, walk with their heads down, bouncing their heads off of telephone pols...
Airframe losses...
Just wait until 2020. It'll become the MOST dangerous way to travel...
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They're Almost There Guys, Almost...
Well guys, I want to explain here, what it is, that you are missing out on.
Explain to you, what the real score is here. The REAL score, for YOU, as "The-Pilot".
The above people/pilots that we are talking about here, have NOT earned thier stripes,
They have NOT flown a JO through the dark of night, nor have they landed on a strip cut through the bush on a whim.
Not so many years ago, a pilot once told me that he had landed on a summer strip cut by a Skid-Steer, through the bush for the convienience of the local "fly-in-fishinig" Out-Post. Yet, 2-miles away, THE Actual strip for the lodge was located for later usage, and, that the Skid-Steer-Cut-Line (at that time used), was NOT actually suitable for the application intentended.
It was just a bush cut line and, he had gotten it WRONG...Landed but, wrong place dude.
The proper location, was similar, yet longer, and of better preparation; an actual aerodome it was.
Only 5-lives had been at stake that day, yet ALL enjoyed their stay, and later commented on the remoteness of it all; on the adventure.
Departure-Day came, for those involved, and was MUCH less eventful; and, made for a much less embelishment portion of the "trip/story/adventure".
The "Trip to Canada", and the fly-in-camp, where MUCH grandiose of pickerals were to be had...
That pilot later, went on to fly for Cathay, many years later. Never forgetting his "training".
That 777 pilot DID-NOT crash into the "Sea-Wall".
Another DID. One, who had NOT the proper training, and could NOT hand-fly the aircraft.
It seems, that the up-and-comer pilots of today, covet the position, but NOT the experience.
Do you wish the knowledge/experience of the position?
OR, perhaps, just the paycheck/lifstyle?
Those that are dead, can neither spend the paycheck, nor live the lifesyle, of those that have earned it.
Make sense?
If not, then go drive a bulldozer, up in the Yukon. Maybe even get yourself on TV...
Just a taste of what I see to become the norm, in the near furure.
Even for the so called professional, such as pilots.
They also, walk with their heads down, bouncing their heads off of telephone pols...
Airframe losses...
Just wait until 2020. It'll become the MOST dangerous way to travel...
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Re: We're Almost There Guys
Thankfully automated and drone technology is around the corner, and it'll be safe to fly again. Although teleportation is also a distant possibility http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/scient ... d=23931524 Regardless of the above ways the pilot profession will die out, there'll be droves of SOBs who'll continue to drive this profession into the ground until that time.Just wait until 2020. It'll become the MOST dangerous way to travel...
Re: We're Almost There Guys
Well clearly we need more heroes of the profession, like the two posters above to save the day.
Cynical pot shots from the corner doesn't do any help either...
Cynical pot shots from the corner doesn't do any help either...
Re: We're Almost There Guys
Thank you for your nomination sstaurus. While I may not be the hero everyone wants, I'm the hero they deserve. And at the very least, I'll always be yours 
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co-joe
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Re: We're Almost There Guys
So how would we know if there truly was a pilot shortage? Are we talking 100% of cpl grads get jobs in their first year? Are we talking airlines and government paying for ab/initio training for off the street candidates because there aren't enough licensed pilots to fill the demand? Wages going up and people crossing the street for a buck an hour more?
I have a tough time believing that it will ever get to this. ever
I have a tough time believing that it will ever get to this. ever
Re: We're Almost There Guys
You'll know when Regionals are parking airplanes and Mainline reduces frequency and up gauges.
The next indication will be when pilots no longer have to sit through a week of ground school for free, with other pilots saying "suck it up buttercup" or something like that!
The next indication will be when pilots no longer have to sit through a week of ground school for free, with other pilots saying "suck it up buttercup" or something like that!
Re: We're Almost There Guys
Nop, no pilot shortage.
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=107503
Regionals hire at 1500 hrs, you would rather fly a 737 and make 60k on your first year.
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=107503
Regionals hire at 1500 hrs, you would rather fly a 737 and make 60k on your first year.
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Independence
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Re: We're Almost There Guys
This industry seems to be leveraged to the economy. By the time pilots start talking about how low time pilots are going straight to the majors in Canada, that is a good time to sell your shares and go to cash in your RRSP.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e28672216/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e28672216/
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co-joe
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Re: We're Almost There Guys
The video almost feels like a shot at Bombardier for not letting them defer delivery of the q400's that are coming. He looks to be almost smiling but trying not to.Independence wrote:This industry seems to be leveraged to the economy. By the time pilots start talking about how low time pilots are going straight to the majors in Canada, that is a good time to sell your shares and go to cash in your RRSP.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e28672216/
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Oh it is a shot at bbd for the non deferrals. A shot that sting bbd, but you have to admit GS is right, it doesn't seem bbd did proper diligence in the C Series program. Boeing is well known for working with airlines in producing products, while bbd doesn't really seem to as it has turned out some flops in the past (crj1000 for example). Anyways sorry for the thread drift.co-joe wrote:The video almost feels like a shot at Bombardier for not letting them defer delivery of the q400's that are coming. He looks to be almost smiling but trying not to.Independence wrote:This industry seems to be leveraged to the economy. By the time pilots start talking about how low time pilots are going straight to the majors in Canada, that is a good time to sell your shares and go to cash in your RRSP.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... e28672216/
There won't be any shortage anytime soon. With the pilot layoffs in Canada and global fears of another world wide recession is lingering, I say the music is going to stop soon for a year or 2, so it's best to find your seat now.






