The hump in Thompson.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:23 pm

Those ice hummoks can get pretty huge to say the least. I remember my first road trip to beautiful YTH, I hit one in my clapped out Jetta at about 120 and she came airborne! Everything from the back seat flew into the front all at once, the tach redlined (since the wheels were no longer supported) and the noise when she came back to the ground

KA-CRUNCH!

Woke me right up though...

Merlinman · Post by **Merlinman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:41 pm

catan man wrote: Wait till you're past it to throttle up, and land long. There's still lots of runway. Unless you're hellbent on exiting the intersection.

Why not land at the beginning of the runway and maybe make the intersection (therefore traveling over the bump at a slow/reasonable speed) opposed to landing after the 'hump' and maybe stop before the pavement ends??

Either way... it's almost the same amount of RWY available on either side of the whoop section.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:14 pm

Wondering why my last two posts were pulled. Never said anything bad in them. well guess the gestapo didn't like my point of view.....

So centerstored thinks that the "YTH FSS idiots" were writing people up for taking off and landing on the closed section of rwy 23. Well i can vouch and swear on a bible, make my statement ata congressiona; hearing that no one to my knowledge (and i see almost all the AOR's going through) has been written up for using that portion of the runway. I have had hundreds of planes use it in my time in thompson and had no issue with it. If you want to land into a LARGE bump or role over it on take-off , please by all means do so. I will do an AOR when you blast your gear back into the plane and turn into a roling fireball. As for 75% of the AOR's coming out of Thompson well that may be but we only write someone you up if YOU make an infraction. Getting mad at the FSS for writing you up when YOU screw up is kinda asinine. I mean do you blame the cop for giving you a ticket after driving 160 in a 50 zone...well maybe you would but it was you who screwed up, time to buck up and take responsibility for your actions. we hate writing people up but well lets be honest here if it means me getting in trouble for not writing it up and possibly being fired well i'm gonna write it up everytime. And lets not kid ourselfs, if we wrote up every pilot for every infraction they did thats all we would be doing. If you break CAR's then yes you may get written up and possibly fined. Know the easiest way for this not to happen....Know CAR's and don'tt break it. There now that was simple. Also FSS don't have any misconceptions that they are controllers, we want there money but we don't have there jobs. If you have an FSS giving you control instructions then report them they are breaking the rules and should be punished just the same but the odds of this happening is about as slim as a pilot never breaking CAR's.

Well hope this is vanilla enough for the censor police..........

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:24 pm

OOPS, my comp didn't load the whole string for soime reason. My posts were there. My humble apologies to the gestapo for letting my posts stay on the forum.

As for the FSS in thompson writing everyone up that may be so, i'm in churchill now and can't say for sure but it is possible. As for transport complaining about it well they were the ones that instructed us to write up all infractions in all instances no matter what. SO the guy is just following instructions, may be a little harsh of him but if you look at it this way if you break CAR's he is only doing his job. If he didn't write it up and transport got wind of it , his butt would be in a sling. As for getting written up for being early how can that be wrongit's not a CAR's requirment for every estimate to be perfect. If it was then pilots would have no money what so ever because i have rarely i mean rarely seen a piltos estimate end up being exact.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:55 pm

Grimey can correct me if i'm wrong or any other pilot on here from thompson but isn't the bump gone replaced by a 6 foot deep hole now. I was through there about 4 weeks ago and they had it all closed down with big barricades and they were digging up the first 500 ft of 23??? so how could anyone be written up for landing or taxiing there if it is a big hole. Last time i checked minus the hawker not many of the other planes made good 4x4's unless what your talking about was prior to that. Which i still think centerstored has been into the westminster too much cause if grimey checked and there is no AOR's, the cadors never originated from the FSS which means that a polite apology to the YTH FSS idiots is in order. I mean even FSS idiots have feelings too!

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:58 pm

MAybe i could talk to the manager and NavCan and have our titles officially changed to "(site name) FSS idiots". Kinda has a nice ring to it eh! Thanks centerstored for the fantastic idea. See all those lonely hours in the cockpit with the other pilot are spent on something other than unbridaled man lovin...Good Show!

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:53 pm

Ok maybe that is a little harsh. Unfortunately a few bad apples ruin the whole bunch! You clearly know nothing about this particular issue though. According to some PAG fellas, guys have been written up for using a section of the runway, which is not marked as closed to A/C movements, to turn around in. This area is located behind the displaced threshold before some kind of a barrier. Nobody is landing or taking off from this area, only positioning for max takeoff distance. I've heard of several write ups re this issue. One of my buddies from TC was written up for the very same issue. I also heard of the PAG pilot who got questioned and bitched out on the MF at 400-500 ft after rotation. Come on guys, have some professionalism, at least let the pilots complete their checks before you start beaking off orders and recommendations...but that's all in the interest of aviation safety.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:08 pm

Well like Grimey said who is FSS in YTH, he checked the AOR binder which is a binder we keep in the station so that we have a record of all the AOR's (Aviation Occurence Report) done. He said there is no record of any FSS writing up any aircraft for that. Meaning that someone outside NavCanada is writing the other pilots up including your transport buddy. Could have been the airport authority or someone else i'm not aware of. Also if someone is aware of a section of a runway that is notam'd closed and they still use it then they should be written up. you all know that Notam's supercede all publications so if a notam says that a portion of a runway is closed well they shouldn't use it. There is a reason that they notam runways or portions closed and ussually it is in the interest of aviation safety, maybe they will damage the plane or pick something up and ding the prop or maybe you will injure someone in the work area. All valid reasons not to use that and perfect reasons why they should be written up if they use the notam'd portion of a runway. I know most of the pag boys and you can tell them that EJ said not to use the notamed portion of the runway and they won't get written up. Seems simple to me.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:15 am

bigfssguy wrote:Grimey can correct me if i'm wrong or any other pilot on here from thompson but isn't the bump gone replaced by a 6 foot deep hole now.

No, the bump just west of Alpha is back, which is what they're talking about.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:19 am

centerstored wrote:Ok maybe that is a little harsh. Unfortunately a few bad apples ruin the whole bunch! You clearly know nothing about this particular issue though. According to some PAG fellas, guys have been written up for using a section of the runway, which is not marked as closed to A/C movements, to turn around in.

I'm aware of several pilots who got spoken to on the MF (normally as they're turning around in the closed portion, not rotating), but not anyone who was written up over it. Given how pissed off a couple of airport employees and construction guys were getting over it, though, I wouldn't be suprised if someone else took it upon themselves to write someone up.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:44 pm

If they don't want guys using this area for any movements, they should spend a little more time marking the area properly, and writing more accurate notams. From what I've heard, the guys using this area have every right to do so, and that is why any write ups will be used as a$$ wipe.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:19 pm

Centerstored - Well if it isn't marked and isn't notamed off then the write ups will be thrown out by Transport. So whats the reason for getting all uppity and insulting if it isn't a big deal. If you and the pilots are in the right then they are going to be thrown out no harm no foul no reason to get upset. Yet again seems pretty simpple to me....

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:34 pm

bigfssguy wrote:Centerstored - Well if it isn't marked and isn't notamed off then the write ups will be thrown out by Transport. So whats the reason for getting all uppity and insulting if it isn't a big deal. If you and the pilots are in the right then they are going to be thrown out no harm no foul no reason to get upset. Yet again seems pretty simpple to me....

I think CS got violated over it.

EPR1.6 · Post by **EPR1.6** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:54 pm

Since you guys are FSS bashing I thought I would throw in a good word for CYQU FSS. Great bunch of guys to work with! Very helpful and cooperative and not out to write you up for any reason. They work as hard as many controllers. Keep up the good work!

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:26 pm

I always get a kick out of pilots geeking on FSS, in yth and elsewhere. FSS is always uselss and a waste of there money no good for nothing. All we do is complicate a situation or gum up the frequency. That is until we notice there gear is still up on short final or they are in an emergency and our helpful reassuring voices and actions help them safely get on the ground. Or they are coming into our airport going through checklists, ignoring what the FSS is saying and complaining about the uselessness of FSS. Then the FSS comes back asking for a position report cause there is a plane going nose to nose with you that you missed. This is when we earn our money and pilots realize the value of the job we do.

Thank you to all the pilots who say thanks and appreciate the job we do. To all the rest out there you may be an a$$hole who can't see anything past the tip of his own nose due to the inflated ego getting in the way but we are profesionals and we will continue to provide you with the quality service we provide to everyone and inside keep hoping that you come to learn the value of our services and others keeping your plane in the air. And we genuinely hope it doesn't take an emergency for you to come to this conclusion

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:43 pm

A classic "there's no 'I' in TEAM" scenerio.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:35 pm

There is no I in team but there is M E !!!! Hahahahahaah!

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:13 pm

The more posts I read from obnoxious FSS staff, unapologetic and even eager to write up pilots, the more I appreciate operating out of uncontrolled (unicom) airports.

We can operate our aircraft just fine without your "help", thank you very much.

Either an airport is busy enough to require a tower (real ATC) or it ain't.

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:56 pm

hz2p wrote:The more posts I read from obnoxious FSS staff, unapologetic and even eager to write up pilots, the more I appreciate operating out of uncontrolled (unicom) airports.

We can operate our aircraft just fine without your "help", thank you very much.

Either an airport is busy enough to require a tower (real ATC) or it ain't.

The more posts i read from obnoxious pilot staff, unapolagetic and even eager to break CAR's rules , the more i appreciate that they fly into uncontrolled airports.

We can have safe airspace without your participation, thank you very much.

Either a pilot follows the rules and acts like a "real" pilot so we don't have to write them up or they do break them and the get written up.

HZ2p your ignorance and stupidity make it that much easier when i have to write someone up. The few like this simpletonmake my job when i write him when he violates CAR's, i feel bad for the vast majority that violate CAR's by accident but it still doesn't absolve them of there guilt. And why would i be apolagetic for writing a pilot up when it wasn't me who broke the rules. In the ATS world 9 times out of 10 if we make a mistake or break CAR's or any other rule we turn ourselves in. Can you say your this honest?

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:02 pm

hz2p wrote:The more posts I read from obnoxious FSS staff, unapologetic and even eager to write up pilots, the more I appreciate operating out of uncontrolled (unicom) airports.

We can operate our aircraft just fine without your "help", thank you very much.

Either an airport is busy enough to require a tower (real ATC) or it ain't.

Arrogant ass

I flew out of YTH for 2 years. Never got violated once, even when I did deserve it. The FSS folks there really did put the service into flight services while I was there (2003 - 2005). They were always willing to help out and very friendly.

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:16 pm

bigfssguy wrote:The more posts i read from obnoxious pilot staff, unapolagetic and even eager to break CAR's rules , the more i appreciate that they fly into uncontrolled airports.

LMFAO

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:17 pm

Hz2p,

No wonder some people don't ever post, because they hate to get in to pissing matches with tree swinging crap flingers like yourself. Sounds like you are trolling or you really are that arrogant.

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:20 pm

Go Guns wrote:I flew out of YTH for 2 years. Never got violated once, even when I did deserve it. The FSS folks there really did put the service into flight services while I was there (2003 - 2005). They were always willing to help out and very friendly.

So you were either friends with the staff or a damn good pilot.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:50 pm

I love how you FSS guys talk like you're police officers...or the Minister of Transport. Get a grip. You were originally hired to interpret weather, make sure that the ground vehicles stayed off the runway, and to help pilots (hence the flight service) when they asked for it. This whole YTH Fss thing is a perfect example of how this whole imaginery authority thing has gone too far. You are not supposed to sit in your (tower) with a stopwatch and wait for the next guy to miss his call by 2 seconds. You shouldn't be sitting in the tower with a set of binoculars waiting for the Saab's nose to cross over the line that separates Bravo taxiway from the ramp....you all know who you are.

And Freefall, last time I checked, a 757 wouldn't have a balanced field in YTH? I don't even work in Canada anymore. A buddy of mine was written up though, and when he called TC they laughed and told him their story.

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:24 pm

centerstored wrote:I don't even work in Canada anymore.

Is that because your licence was revoked for too many violations?