What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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Re: What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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Old fella wrote:"There's a lot of ill-gotten stigma attached to Marijuana especially amongst folks older than 40. "

No stigma attached to this old fool whose heyday was late 60's and early 70's Ramp man. Still have fond memories in my University days blowing good weed and hash while "Days of Future Past", the ole Moodys album spinning on my Dual turntable, Fisher amp and Dynaco speakers. fast forward to the mid/late 70's budworm spray in NB, the TBM tokers, maint boys and us, 172 pointer pilots. I know airline pilots, lawyers, teachers, medical people(nurses, lab techs), heard cops did as well but they were not my kind of company those years, not now either. Everybody blew weed, even Reverend Boscoballs was in on it, he liked looking at our girlfriends. I went to the Eagles concert few yrs back that was in YQM, outdoor park rain and mud...... and a good toke, Woodstock 1969 anyone...... most here are way to young to know that.

On the job, that was a big NO............
Probably why it never really has been much of an issue from Transport's perspective. No real evidence it was an issue in Lutsulke either.
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Re: What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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cncpc wrote:
Old fella wrote:"There's a lot of ill-gotten stigma attached to Marijuana especially amongst folks older than 40. "

No stigma attached to this old fool whose heyday was late 60's and early 70's Ramp man. Still have fond memories in my University days blowing good weed and hash while "Days of Future Past", the ole Moodys album spinning on my Dual turntable, Fisher amp and Dynaco speakers. fast forward to the mid/late 70's budworm spray in NB, the TBM tokers, maint boys and us, 172 pointer pilots. I know airline pilots, lawyers, teachers, medical people(nurses, lab techs), heard cops did as well but they were not my kind of company those years, not now either. Everybody blew weed, even Reverend Boscoballs was in on it, he liked looking at our girlfriends. I went to the Eagles concert few yrs back that was in YQM, outdoor park rain and mud...... and a good toke, Woodstock 1969 anyone...... most here are way to young to know that.

On the job, that was a big NO............
Probably why it never really has been much of an issue from Transport's perspective. No real evidence it was an issue in Lutsulke either.
I worked there(TC) way back, it was a topic on occasion amongst the younger set if we toked up. We all admitted in our younger years growing up toking was happening. Back in 73/74 doing my PPL/CPL at MFC there was a scattered toke on weekends in that ole smelly dorm. I am retired now, been so for a few years so not looking for a job nor submitting resumes. If someone offered me a draw of weed now, yes I am in. I wouldn't drive though just huff down to me bat cave, fire up the Dell and seek those old Moodys tunes again.
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Re: What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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I thought the police had a weed breathalyser in the works. Would be easy enough to set a nano grams per millilitre limit like the .08 for alcohol.
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There is an ex-mountie working on one. A few other company are developing roadside test too.
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Re: What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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The current commonly used urine screening test for marijuana, can report a positive for up to 6 weeks depending on the consumption pattern of the individual. Folks that consume are "measureably impaired" for up to 24 hours after consumption. These things are hard to reconcile. Tests for current impairment are not here yet, nor are the impairment "cut offs" set.
Just because something is legal, it does not mean it is safe, for you, or safe for you to perform work duties (like flying).

The current supply chain for marijuana has no care and custody and as pointed out in other post's, it can be contaminated intentionally with things you did not expect.There are strains used medically, that cause little to no impairment, but that is probably not what folks are seeking to purchase when they legalize it. Of course growing your own would be a better model.
Really it is probably premature for legalization,more study etc, and there may likely be some of that go on with the govt. , decriminalization would have been a better first step at this point.

That said there are many folks on the "medical" usage train, and the bar is fairly" low "for getting it medically prescribed. I suppose we could gather data from that population.
i think "24 hours" should be a personal minimum if you happen to consume.

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Duration of Effects: Effects from smoking cannabis products are felt within minutes and reach their peak in 10-30 minutes. Typical marijuana smokers experience a high that lasts approximately 2 hours. Most behavioral and physiological effects return to baseline levels within 3-5 hours after drug use, although some investigators have demonstrated residual effects in specific behaviors up to 24 hours,[/color][/color] such as complex divided attention tasks. Psychomotor impairment can persist after the perceived high has dissipated. In long term users, even after periods of abstinence, selective attention (ability to filter out irrelevant information) has been shown to be adversely affected with increasing duration of use, and speed of information processing has been shown to be impaired with increasing frequency of use. Dronabinol has an onset of 30-60 minutes, peak effects occur at 2-4 hours, and it can stimulate the appetite for up to 24 hours.

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Jean-Pierre wrote:Blanket ban on use? Time from use to flying rule similar to alcohol? How about enforcement? Is TC going to get into the business of drug testing pilot? What do you think will happen? I wonder if they even started working on a plan. Maybe they will even completely ignore it and let operator enforce their own rule.

Anyone who uses a recreational drug outside of the cockpit should not be allowed inside the cockpit.
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JungianJugular wrote: Anyone who uses a recreational drug outside of the cockpit should not be allowed inside the cockpit.
Alcohol? Nicotene? Caffeine? Viagra? High-adrenaline sports?
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Re: What is Transport Canada going to do about the upcoming legalization of marijuana?

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North Shore wrote:
JungianJugular wrote: Anyone who uses a recreational drug outside of the cockpit should not be allowed inside the cockpit.
Alcohol? Nicotene? Caffeine? Viagra? High-adrenaline sports?
Marijuana specifically. Should have been more specific.
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There's also the fact that today's weed is 5-7 times stronger than the stuff that the Woodstock generation had access to. It's been bred for very hi levels of THC and no CBD. Back in the day they were in virtually equal amounts in weed. A recent CBC investigation, I think on Marketplace, checked product from a dozen dispensaries in Toronto. One had a THC content as hi as 30%. Woodstock weed was 4%. None of the weed tested had any CBD.

What's the issue with that? Studies are showing when THC is used, especially in younger people at less than 25 years of age who's brains are still developing, may have psychotic episodes or lead to the onset of schizophrenia. CBD counteracts many of the harmful effects of THC, and on its own may offer many benefits medically. With CBD there is less risk of triggering long term serious mental illness and less chance of becoming addicted.

Perhaps in addition to appropriate testing for impairment, before it is legalized there needs t be guidelines on the content levels of THC and the presence of appropriate levels of CBD.
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