Exactly!customers
For what we pay directly or indirectly, we should have better service.
At the very least they should keep us entertained all of the time.
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So true it hurts.Stu Pidasso wrote:Who pays for that, certainly not Nav Canada. VR has been a joke this summer, slow down clearance 400 nm out, followed by "speed your discretion," followed by being the only Aircraft on approach.
3.1 million. US Fortune 500 territory, which Nav Can certainly isn't. Tell me anyone, why not 5 mill or more? Who decides these pay packages?Stu Pidasso wrote:The CEO of Nav Canada earns 3.1 Million, along with a long list of overpaid executives.
Hey rookie.... don't fall off yer stool and laugh but I agree with you. I worked at NC and saw some of the operational decisions made on airspace restructuring that cost operators(who pay for NC services) a bundle. I can't speak of top echelon remuneration but........ you can fill in the blanks.rookiepilot wrote:3.1 million. US Fortune 500 territory, which Nav Can certainly isn't. Tell me anyone, why not 5 mill or more? Who decides these pay packages?Stu Pidasso wrote:The CEO of Nav Canada earns 3.1 Million, along with a long list of overpaid executives.
I read his bio. Former law partner, never has run a company before, so certainly qualified for 3 big ones a year.
Par for the course in old boys club, Canada. "Non profit" tends to mean except the CEO, board, senior execs......
Might like this one OF.Old fella wrote:Hey rookie.... don't fall off yer stool and laugh but I agree with you. I worked at NC and saw some of the operational decisions made on airspace restructuring that cost operators(who pay for NC services) a bundle. I can't speak of top echelon remuneration but........ you can fill in the blanks.rookiepilot wrote:3.1 million. US Fortune 500 territory, which Nav Can certainly isn't. Tell me anyone, why not 5 mill or more? Who decides these pay packages?Stu Pidasso wrote:The CEO of Nav Canada earns 3.1 Million, along with a long list of overpaid executives.
I read his bio. Former law partner, never has run a company before, so certainly qualified for 3 big ones a year.
Par for the course in old boys club, Canada. "Non profit" tends to mean except the CEO, board, senior execs......
Nav Can spends operators aka AC, WJ et all dollars not taxpayer bucks but years back they were free spending believe me but things may have tightened up since I left years back in 2005 who knows. The surcharge aka NC fees, airport security and operating costs, fuel surcharges you name it places us in a less competitive market. You as a business person knows that much better than I can pontificaterookiepilot wrote:Might like this one OF.Old fella wrote:Hey rookie.... don't fall off yer stool and laugh but I agree with you. I worked at NC and saw some of the operational decisions made on airspace restructuring that cost operators(who pay for NC services) a bundle. I can't speak of top echelon remuneration but........ you can fill in the blanks.rookiepilot wrote:
3.1 million. US Fortune 500 territory, which Nav Can certainly isn't. Tell me anyone, why not 5 mill or more? Who decides these pay packages?
I read his bio. Former law partner, never has run a company before, so certainly qualified for 3 big ones a year.
Par for the course in old boys club, Canada. "Non profit" tends to mean except the CEO, board, senior execs......
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We have a great, secure banking system, that's absolutely true. But like many of our industries, they are comfortably entrenched semi monopolies who sparingly venture out of Canada, or not at all. They are not innovators, creators, nor are timber businesses, for example.ahramin wrote:Why don't banks count? Somehow (Trudeau senior perhaps) we have some of the most honest, most customer friendly, most secure banks in the world. Why not count them?
Best example I can muster are the Provincial owned/run liquor agencies (outside of Alberta). Retail/distribution of liquor should be done by private enterprise period and full stop. We would get better price due competition and better interprovincial selections.rookiepilot wrote:OF,
This is a broader, deeper, entrenched Canadian problem. Evidence? How many great, world class companies have we created, that successfully compete on the world stage? Banks don't count.
Then look at the US, or Germany, Japan, Korea.
We just don't facilitate private enterprise very well.
Just for you, because this thread gone off on a tangent I'll name one; Air Canada.rookiepilot wrote:OF,
How many great, world class companies have we created, that successfully compete on the world stage?
Uhmm, OK. Goes to my point.TheStig wrote:Just for you, because this thread gone off on a tangent I'll name one; Air Canada.rookiepilot wrote:OF,
How many great, world class companies have we created, that successfully compete on the world stage?
-Completes with companies around the globe, even your beloved Cathay.
-30,000 (mostly unionized) Employees coast to Coast and around the world of every race and religion and orientation.
-Almost 400 aircraft generating nearly 15 billion in revenue and has grown tremendously for the past 8 years, expanding globally to allow easier access to global markets for Canadian businesses.
-Continues to invest in product improvements.
I do agree with your last post though, Canadians as a whole don't champion global competitors, maybe because we don't realize they are? We like to bitch and complain (especially online) about homegrown corporations and their employees who work hard everyday to shed tired old stereotypes.
As far as NavCanada is concerned, the staff shortages leading to delays are totally unacceptable, but the controllers they employ are second to none.
Page 79:Braun wrote:I stopped replying to people in this thread because clearly it isn`t worth arguing over. You have your opinion and often they aren't fact based. I just wanted to add this. You guys say you would rather be vectored/hold than ground delays. Well I can 100% say that the airlines do not want this (maybe pilots do but not your management). It's been said time and time again that burning more fuel is never the best way to go. Also, these NOTAM's are not always due to staffing. It's easy to assume things about ATC, because at the end of the day all you hear is delays and our voice on the freq. Truth is there so many things that go on behind what the pilot can actually hear. Also, why is no one blaming airlines or local airport operators for delays? 90% of the time delays brought upon you guys has nothing to do with ATC but closed taxiways, runways, weather, airline scheduling etc...I don't mind taking the blame for mistakes I make but I have never went to work with the intent of delaying aircraft because I am too tired or I don't feel like working.
Also, people can say what they want about Nav Canada management, but they have really focused on training for the past 3 years and it is a main priority right now at Nav Canada. I can't remember the last time management was actually this easy to work with in finding solutions to resolve staffing issues.
The overtime protection is a myth, just stop.
I also don't know where you guys got the numbers where our CEO makes 3.1 million per year, but that's doubtful. I have seen the reports on management salaries and it is no where near that.
pension value is yearly compensation or over his time with Nav? I'm not an expert. I never said I was right, I said that's not the information I had BTW.rookiepilot wrote:It appears you're wrong then, about your own company. Page 79:Braun wrote:I stopped replying to people in this thread because clearly it isn`t worth arguing over. You have your opinion and often they aren't fact based. I just wanted to add this. You guys say you would rather be vectored/hold than ground delays. Well I can 100% say that the airlines do not want this (maybe pilots do but not your management). It's been said time and time again that burning more fuel is never the best way to go. Also, these NOTAM's are not always due to staffing. It's easy to assume things about ATC, because at the end of the day all you hear is delays and our voice on the freq. Truth is there so many things that go on behind what the pilot can actually hear. Also, why is no one blaming airlines or local airport operators for delays? 90% of the time delays brought upon you guys has nothing to do with ATC but closed taxiways, runways, weather, airline scheduling etc...I don't mind taking the blame for mistakes I make but I have never went to work with the intent of delaying aircraft because I am too tired or I don't feel like working.
Also, people can say what they want about Nav Canada management, but they have really focused on training for the past 3 years and it is a main priority right now at Nav Canada. I can't remember the last time management was actually this easy to work with in finding solutions to resolve staffing issues.
The overtime protection is a myth, just stop.
I also don't know where you guys got the numbers where our CEO makes 3.1 million per year, but that's doubtful. I have seen the reports on management salaries and it is no where near that.
Certainly they aren't proud of it, burying within a giant report.
https://www.navcanada.ca/EN/about-us/Fi ... nal_EN.PDF