'shortage of pilots'or not??

[7507]

When Porter advertises they need 1000 hours but will take lower time due to other "experience" how low will they go? Has anybody gotten hired with less than 1000 hours?
Just curious.

[C.W.E.]

Why should a pilot need a thousand hours to be a F.O. on any airplane?

[RocksAndProps]

Is anyone aware of any regional actually having to cancel flights due to lack of available crew?

I heard Porter canceled something like 2% of their flights this past summer due to lack of pilots.

[digits_]

Ads like these make me happy:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=121599

90k/year for a 1500 hour Caravan pilot. Nice to see progress is being made. I hope they find a great candidate!

[VIflight]

Ads like these make me happy:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=121599

90k/year for a 1500 hour Caravan pilot. Nice to see progress is being made. I hope they find a great candidate!

McMurray Aviation has been paying salaries like this for a long while.

[chipmunk]

Is anyone aware of any regional actually having to cancel flights due to lack of available crew?

I heard Porter canceled something like 2% of their flights this past summer due to lack of pilots.

Jazz also canceled flights the past summer due to lack of pilots, somewhere around the 5% mark is the rumour on the street.

[Meatservo]

Why should a pilot need a thousand hours to be a F.O. on any airplane?

They don't NEED a thousand hours. But the first thousand hours of a pilot's career is where he or she learns the most. Beleive it or not, there is a level of experience prior to which a new pilot is often a liability who increases the captain's workload. The point at which this turns around varies according to the individual, and what kind of flying they have been doing, but by 1000 hours if you haven't found a way to make yourself useful, there is no hope for you anyway. I guess some airlines would prefer you get that particular phase in your flying life taken care of elsewhere.

Of course, whether they deserve to expect that with what they are offering to pay- different story.

The "perfect" F.O. would be one who is every bit as skilled, mature, and knowledgeable as the captain, but who has no ambition to BE the captain. Since this type of person occurs only rarely in this world, we have to set our expectations at a reasonable level.

When I had 10 hours (OK 12) I soloed, and I figured that I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and all I needed was some brushing up.

When I had 100 hours, I was past the part in my college program where they keep trying to kick you out, and figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot", and I found it hard to believe that people with only 10 hours (OK 12) were allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

When I had 1000 hours, I was flying a DeHavilland Otter, and I supposed that the world contained very few actual surprises anymore, and I figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and that I was well on my way to being the world's greatest living pilot, and I couldn't imagine how anyone with only 100 hours was allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

When I had 10,000 hours, I was teaching new graduates how to do their jobs in the right seat of a turbine twin, and I imagined that the world contained very few actual surprises anymore, except for the astonishing feats of my F.O.s, who were all trying to kill me, and I figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and I couldn't imagine how anyone with only 1000 hours was allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

Now, I'm not going to tell you how many hours I have, mostly because I got too lazy to fill out my logbook at some point so I'm not sure myself. I fly a large transport-category turbojet, and I'm NOT allowed to fly it by myself. My F.O.s are actively keeping me alive, and even though I figure I have pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot", the world is still full of surprises, and I can't imagine how anyone with only 10,000 hours...

[TailwheelPilot]

The "perfect" F.O. would be one who is every bit as skilled, mature, and knowledgeable as the captain, but who has no ambition to BE the captain. Since this type of person occurs only rarely in this world, we have to set our expectations at a reasonable level.

If the pay was (almost) the same there would probably be lots of people willing to be a career F/O, especially if it was still far quicker to get to/near the top of the F/Os seniority wise. Almost as much pay, less responsibility, and you could bid for (and get) your desired base, schedule, fleet, etc sooner. The only problem would be if most people actually want less responsibility/better lifestyle and not enough people bid to be captains.

[dhc#]

Another report from the situation in the states...

http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/1 ... years.html

[yycflyguy]

Why should a pilot need a thousand hours to be a F.O. on any airplane?

They don't NEED a thousand hours. But the first thousand hours of a pilot's career is where he or she learns the most. Beleive it or not, there is a level of experience prior to which a new pilot is often a liability who increases the captain's workload. The point at which this turns around varies according to the individual, and what kind of flying they have been doing, but by 1000 hours if you haven't found a way to make yourself useful, there is no hope for you anyway. I guess some airlines would prefer you get that particular phase in your flying life taken care of elsewhere.

Of course, whether they deserve to expect that with what they are offering to pay- different story.

The "perfect" F.O. would be one who is every bit as skilled, mature, and knowledgeable as the captain, but who has no ambition to BE the captain. Since this type of person occurs only rarely in this world, we have to set our expectations at a reasonable level.

When I had 10 hours (OK 12) I soloed, and I figured that I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and all I needed was some brushing up.

When I had 100 hours, I was past the part in my college program where they keep trying to kick you out, and figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot", and I found it hard to believe that people with only 10 hours (OK 12) were allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

When I had 1000 hours, I was flying a DeHavilland Otter, and I supposed that the world contained very few actual surprises anymore, and I figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and that I was well on my way to being the world's greatest living pilot, and I couldn't imagine how anyone with only 100 hours was allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

When I had 10,000 hours, I was teaching new graduates how to do their jobs in the right seat of a turbine twin, and I imagined that the world contained very few actual surprises anymore, except for the astonishing feats of my F.O.s, who were all trying to kill me, and I figured I had pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot" and I couldn't imagine how anyone with only 1000 hours was allowed to fly a plane by themselves.

Now, I'm not going to tell you how many hours I have, mostly because I got too lazy to fill out my logbook at some point so I'm not sure myself. I fly a large transport-category turbojet, and I'm NOT allowed to fly it by myself. My F.O.s are actively keeping me alive, and even though I figure I have pretty much worked out "how to be a pilot", the world is still full of surprises, and I can't imagine how anyone with only 10,000 hours...

Good post!

[spiderpilot1988]

Every 500 h wonder is applying to AC! I wonder how many accidents will we have if they start hiring low time pilots