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On two occasions I have seen wing walkers taxi aircraft right into buildings (can’t see the wing of the aircraft in particular from the cockpit) while giving the all clear sign.PostmasterGeneral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:20 pmAren’t wing walkers supposed to remedy this issue?
Have a look at the photo of the WJ wing, if you would not have evacuated, I question your judgement!
There's video from inside the plane where you can hear the Captain making the "evacuation" announcement. And on the ATC clip they declare an emergency and tell apron they're evacuating.
I can confirm I saw a video in the cabin where i heard evacuate 3 times on the pa. I also heard audio where they told apron they are going to evacuate and declare mayday.
This statement demonstrates your complete ignorance of airline evacuation procedures. They wanted the pax to sit down long enough for them to spool down the engines so as not to liquefy panicked passengers as they instinctively bail from the ship and straight into a running CFM56.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:52 pm Once people see flames and smoke is getting into the cabin, in this case likely from the bleeds, it is time to evacuate.
It is beyond idiotic to tell people to remain seated in the presence of smoke and flames as that simply adds to the panic as is completely obvious in certain videos.
The cabin crew training remains willfully blind to natural human instincts of self preservation and protection of family members when confined in a narrow tube in the presence of smoke and flames.
While much of the time the cabin will not be intruded by flames, smoke is the killer. Smoke can incapacitate in seconds.
Once there's an uncontrolled fire, none of us can guarantee that the cabin atmosphere will remain breathable for the next two minutes certification standards allow allow for evacuation.
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How are the cabin crew going to be able to asses the situation if the passengers flood the aisle? How do they know what slides are safe to evacuate? Of course you tell everyone to remain seated so you can go look and assess. Then you will be straight to the phone to relay this information to the pilots who have to make the decision and prepare the aircraft for an evacuation.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:52 pm Once people see flames and smoke is getting into the cabin, in this case likely from the bleeds, it is time to evacuate.
It is beyond idiotic to tell people to remain seated in the presence of smoke and flames as that simply adds to the panic as is completely obvious in certain videos.
The cabin crew training remains willfully blind to natural human instincts of self preservation and protection of family members when confined in a narrow tube in the presence of smoke and flames.
While much of the time the cabin will not be intruded by flames, smoke is the killer. Smoke can incapacitate in seconds.
Once there's an uncontrolled fire, none of us can guarantee that the cabin atmosphere will remain breathable for the next two minutes certification standards allow allow for evacuation.
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I have to agree with previous posters, your post screams of ignorance as far as how an evacuation is supposed to go. When you get to the big leagues you will learn.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:52 pm Once people see flames and smoke is getting into the cabin, in this case likely from the bleeds, it is time to evacuate.
It is beyond idiotic to tell people to remain seated in the presence of smoke and flames as that simply adds to the panic as is completely obvious in certain videos.
The cabin crew training remains willfully blind to natural human instincts of self preservation and protection of family members when confined in a narrow tube in the presence of smoke and flames.
While much of the time the cabin will not be intruded by flames, smoke is the killer. Smoke can incapacitate in seconds.
Once there's an uncontrolled fire, none of us can guarantee that the cabin atmosphere will remain breathable for the next two minutes certification standards allow allow for evacuation.
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mantogasrsrwy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:44 pmI have to agree with previous posters, your post screams of ignorance as far as how an evacuation is supposed to go. When you get to the big leagues you will learn.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:52 pm Once people see flames and smoke is getting into the cabin, in this case likely from the bleeds, it is time to evacuate.
It is beyond idiotic to tell people to remain seated in the presence of smoke and flames as that simply adds to the panic as is completely obvious in certain videos.
The cabin crew training remains willfully blind to natural human instincts of self preservation and protection of family members when confined in a narrow tube in the presence of smoke and flames.
While much of the time the cabin will not be intruded by flames, smoke is the killer. Smoke can incapacitate in seconds.
Once there's an uncontrolled fire, none of us can guarantee that the cabin atmosphere will remain breathable for the next two minutes certification standards allow allow for evacuation.
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Then inform the passengers that evacuation will begin when the engines have been shut down. Keep the passengers in the information loop. The Sewol passengers were told to return to their cabins and wait for instructions. Unfortunately the capsize trapped some 300 victims.This statement demonstrates your complete ignorance of airline evacuation procedures. They wanted the pax to sit down long enough for them to spool down the engines so as not to liquefy panicked passengers as they instinctively bail from the ship and straight into a running CFM56.
"Remain seated" PA is the industry standard first step in the emergency evacuation procedure.
There is no doubt in my mind that the crew intended to keep those passengers onboard for one millisecond more than needed.
You got roasted soo good. It was amazing.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:52 pm Once people see flames and smoke is getting into the cabin, in this case likely from the bleeds, it is time to evacuate.
It is beyond idiotic to tell people to remain seated in the presence of smoke and flames as that simply adds to the panic as is completely obvious in certain videos.
The cabin crew training remains willfully blind to natural human instincts of self preservation and protection of family members when confined in a narrow tube in the presence of smoke and flames.
While much of the time the cabin will not be intruded by flames, smoke is the killer. Smoke can incapacitate in seconds.
Once there's an uncontrolled fire, none of us can guarantee that the cabin atmosphere will remain breathable for the next two minutes certification standards allow allow for evacuation.
We were lucky this time.
There should be a pre landing briefing half an hour out to advise passengers to:
- an evacuation may be necessary
- retrieve documents and medications from cabin baggage now
- passengers are encouraged to forceably remove anybody from the aisle who is blocking evacuation while retrieving cabin baggage
- all cabin baggage taken outside will be seized and destroyed
Sorry chief, hands are full running the whole evacuation checklist. If you watched the same video I did the time from "remain seated" to "evacute" was about about 20 seconds. If the captain had to suspend the checklist to make a PA explaining his motivations it would prolong (double) the time it takes to prepare the ship for a safe egress. there are engines to shut down and secure, fuel to cut, ATC to be advised, electrical buses to be turned off. Ect. It's a short checklist that we practice often in the sim, then we bail out.RatherBeFlying wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:01 pmThen inform the passengers that evacuation will begin when the engines have been shut down. Keep the passengers in the information loop. The Sewol passengers were told to return to their cabins and wait for instructions. Unfortunately the capsize trapped some 300 victims.This statement demonstrates your complete ignorance of airline evacuation procedures. They wanted the pax to sit down long enough for them to spool down the engines so as not to liquefy panicked passengers as they instinctively bail from the ship and straight into a running CFM56.
"Remain seated" PA is the industry standard first step in the emergency evacuation procedure.
There is no doubt in my mind that the crew intended to keep those passengers onboard for one millisecond more than needed.