Ki-ll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:28 am

digits_ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:11 am

Ki-ll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:49 am

Oh yeah?
Enlighten us what the proper phraseology is then.

Whatever it is, "with you" is definitely not it. Neither is "if available" or "if possible" when requesting altitude or speed changes.

How about “conflicting traffic please advise”?

Oh center loves that. I usually also do that with my position reports on 121.5 too because safety you know. I am a guardian of safety, and other pilots appreciated it. They always compliment me being on guard on the frequency.

digits_ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:02 am

Ki-ll wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:28 am

digits_ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:11 am

Whatever it is, "with you" is definitely not it. Neither is "if available" or "if possible" when requesting altitude or speed changes.

How about “conflicting traffic please advise”?

Oh center loves that. I usually also do that with my position reports on 121.5 too because safety you know. I am a guardian of safety, and other pilots appreciated it. They always compliment me being on guard on the frequency.

That's what all that meowing on guard is...

“Edmonton Centre, Air Canada’ssss 202...”

Dash.Trash wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:59 pm “Edmonton Centre, Air Canada’ssss 202...”

This, for some reason, makes me irrationally angry. It seems to have died down in the last 6 months or so but for a while it was quite pervasive. Is there a reason that it became so common?

I also get annoyed by that. There were a few guys out of Iqaluit saying "First Air's XXX," and I have heard "Wasaya's XXX" too many times as well.

Well that settles it, I'm going to start using "Golf'ssss Sierra Charlie Victor."

Kejidog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:17 pm My pet peeve is actually thinking this site has something to add to avaition knowledge. But instead is a bunch of winers complaing that they are either underpaid, or over paid and or tired or jealous of every other industry. I joined thinking this may help me become a better GA pilot. Instead it made me realize that the person flying me and my family is a disgruntled cry baby. I hardly ever come on here and whenever i do I regret it. I actually wonder if anyone on here is actaully employed to fly or just a bunch trolls jerking each other. Glad i chose firefighting as a job. It pays well and pussies who can’t hack usually quit or go on to day work.

Drops mic and leaves for some GA specific forms.

Sadly, you are pretty much bang on. The primadonna factor, is interestingly, inversely proportional to the amount of background in some, maybe many, cases.

But as usual, it's the vocal minority that makes everyone else look bad. And the pay is far from being as bad across the board as many suggest. If it were, there would be a mass exodus to home depot.

Dash.Trash wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:59 pm “Edmonton Centre, Air Canada’ssss 202...”

I have caught myself saying something sounding like this... usually as I am trying to find something with our flight number on it... just kinda extending the call sign so you don’t think I’ve stopped transmitting.

Yes I know that the flight number is always at the top of the MCDU Flt Plan page.... but sometimes it takes way too long to find it, and you really want to call yourself a flight number that is completely wrong, but maybe you used last week and for whatever reason it’s stuck in your head!

When the other guy tries to keep up his “cool” radio voice and doesn’t annunciate clearly or properly, and ATC says “say again” numerous times throughout the pairing. WTF MAN SPEAK NORMALLY FOR CHRIST’S SAKE YOU SOUND LIKE A TOOL. That one really irks me (take notes kids and don’t be that guy). Nobody actually cares how you sound on the radio and nobody even knows who you are.

How about “Yyz Centre, I would like to request Fl xxx”. Or “I would like to request Fl340 is possible “.

I just wish ATC would come back and say: “go ahead and request it” or “it is possible to request it”



Are you requesting a different Fl or not? Just say “. . . . 1234 request Fl xxx”

1. Pilots who switch frequencies and have their finger on the transmit switch ready to pounce. Switch, listen, THEN talk. Stop interrupting read-backs.

2. "Toronto Centre, #### checking in at FL340."

HALF a second later.... "TORONTO CENTRE, #### checking in at FL340." Chill. He/she is probably busy.

Rooster69 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:55 am How about “Yyz Centre, I would like to request Fl xxx”. Or “I would like to request Fl340 is possible “.

I just wish ATC would come back and say: “go ahead and request it” or “it is possible to request it”



Are you requesting a different Fl or not? Just say “. . . . 1234 request Fl xxx”

"Can I put a request in for FL340 if available?"

Transmitting "I" instead of "We" or "[Neutral]" in a two crew airplane

Tying up Clearance Delivery reading back EVERY.SINGLE.WORD instead of just the SID and squark code.

Reading back SID and code instead of just code

I should only be use when messing up, other time WE wins

Don’t have radio pet peeves exept not getting love from ATC ie: good morning/good day. Anything else, the weirder the better, its good entertainment....

Dash.Trash wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:59 pm “Edmonton Centre, Air Canada’ssss 202...”

Muuuhahahaha...doubling this now!

I love threads like this. Gives me ideas on how best to trigger uptight Canadians. Just wish you didn't make it so easy, there's no fun in that!

complexintentions wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 9:35 am I love threads like this. Gives me ideas on how best to trigger uptight Canadians. Just wish you didn't make it so easy, there's no fun in that!

A quick perusal of PPRUNE debunks that pretty quickly. Maybe you’ll have more satisfaction in your own sandbox.

Majority of you sound like a bunch of whining douchebags. The rest can carry on.

mixturerich wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:40 am When the other guy tries to keep up his “cool” radio voice and doesn’t annunciate clearly or properly, and ATC says “say again” numerous times throughout the pairing. WTF MAN SPEAK NORMALLY FOR CHRIST’S SAKE YOU SOUND LIKE A TOOL. That one really irks me (take notes kids and don’t be that guy). Nobody actually cares how you sound on the radio and nobody even knows who you are.

"departuretwentyfivetwoclearedtakeofftwofourleftwestjettwoninety"

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Posters who lecture on everyone else's stupid mistakes but on threads like "scariest moment as a pilot" with everyone sharing a story.....are then strangely quiet. Yup........

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:58 pm Posters who lecture on everyone else's stupid mistakes but on threads like "scariest moment as a pilot" with everyone sharing a story.....are then strangely quiet. Yup........

Ha! True

infiniteregulus wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 12:32 pm Transmitting "I" instead of "We" or "[Neutral]" in a two crew airplane

I have it the other way around... "Tower, C-GABC, we are ..." We all know that you are flying alone on your PPL solo cross country.

It all boils down to professionalism for me.

1. We want to be paid and seen as professionals, but I often think about how my lawyer friends can quote multiple examples of articles and case law yet how some of my pilot friends can't tell me if something is from the FOM or AOM and who've not read the AIM since their CPL. Many American pilots I bump into do not have this problem, so maybe there is something to be said for a written, oral, and practical exam. Maybe if we up our game and stop acting like children, we will again be seen as professionals and, eventually, paid like it too.

2. I expect a PPL student to sound a certain way on the radio, but I expect that pilot to have improved by the time they reach a commercial operator. I should not have to teach the holder of an instrument rating on what to say when asking ATC for something. Now, I'm as guilty as the next pilot of having strong excrement come out of my mouth during transmission, and I kick myself for it every time. But honestly, some people have turned poor radio work into an art form. It would be a modern art masterpiece if it were not so damned frustrating to listen to.

3. SOPs. Just say what's in the book for god sake. It's "transition, set __.__," not "tranny," or "trinni" or whatever god awful thing you're trying to say. It was funny the first time, 50 years ago long before I started flying. Now, it sounds like you're the village idiot. You want to say something different, go buy your own airplane. Just, please do a little better than mediocre, that'd be great.

4. Sunglasses in the terminal. Jesus, this is such an irrational pet peeve for me and I should really see someone about it. Let me set the scene: It's 2300 and there you are walking through the terminal with your sunglasses on. I can hear the Bee Gees playing in your head as you strut down the corridor. You think everyone is moving out of your way like the parting of the seas. You are your own god. But nope, you're back to being the village idiot ignoring the company rules. Honestly, if you're in the Calgary Terminal around 1800 today and you're wearing sunglasses, that's going to be me piledriving you into the ground.

5. Shuttle report times. You'll complain all flight about that one passenger who showed up one minute before we wanted to close the door, but you'll happily show up at or a minute after the shuttle departure time. Stop it. Stop. Stop. Just Stop. The time given is the time the shuttle leaves. Just. Do. Better. I'd say find your own way to the airport next time if I didn't think it would cause a delayed departure.

I could and would go on as I'm finding this rather therapeutic, but that plane isn't going to drive itself to the runway.