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palebird wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 10:41 am You do realise that there are first world countries that did not do "lockdown" and they are fine. You do understand that don't you?? Sweden, South Korea, Taiwan to name a few. It is not necessary to destroy the economyover Covid. And in the meantime what about TB? Highly contagious.Still alive and well in Canada and the world. Why don't we lock down over that?
Define fine please, Sweden has a death rate per million three times Canada’s and its accelerating. They also asked for voluntary isolation and distancing which a good majority bought into. Look at the UK, they initially did nothing, how did that work out, to be honest I can’t argue anymore with stupidity, there’s is ample evidence to varying degrees of do nothing, do something and strong measures, the strong measures seems to work best. Time will tell but the US appears to be regretting or backtracking some of the decisions to open too early.
Please, got get yourself infected and report back how things worked out for you, I will continue to follow the guidance of our health professionals and fucken common sense!!
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palebird wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 10:41 am You do realise that there are first world countries that did not do "lockdown" and they are fine. You do understand that don't you?? Sweden, South Korea, Taiwan to name a few. It is not necessary to destroy the economyover Covid. And in the meantime what about TB? Highly contagious.Still alive and well in Canada and the world. Why don't we lock down over that?
Might have to do with the fact that TB can be cured? :roll:
But when you have a brand spankin' new, highly contagious strain of the flu that's infecting & killing people in record numbers, things have to be approached a bit differently. The mortality rate might be lower than other known illnesses, but the whole point of imposing restrictions/lock-downs is to not create an overwhelming burden on the healthcare system especially when the nature of the problem and how to fight it is still largely unknown. You don't win a war by getting martyred, you win it by killing the enemy and locking down is our strongest weapon right now. The hit on the economy, as bad as it may be, is just an inevitable casualty of this war.

And people in countries like Sweden, South Korea, Taiwan etc. inherently have a different mindset than your average North American. If they're advised to maintain social distance or put a damn mask on their faces every time they go out, they actually comply. The sense of social responsibility in such places is much higher than in North America. How else could you explain Japan going through 4 billion masks a year in a normal world? That, in my opinion, should be the standard for calling any country a "first world" nation - where there's a collective conscious effort to make the place worth living for present and future generations. Sadly, we'll never see anything remotely close to that in North America because this continent has been inhabited by majority delinquents.

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I don’t care how people feel about the man, but he is undeniably brilliant. Take note:


Conrad Black: Fear of COVID-19 is overblown, it's time to get the economy moving again

The danger of death for 80 per cent of people is not statistically significant, and there is no excuse for continuing any substantial part of the lockdown in respect of them.


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It is possible to become demoralized by the enthusiasm an inordinate number of Canadians seem to have to continue the coronavirus shutdown. The generally capable mayor of Toronto, my friend of many years, John Tory, who’s usually a sensible man, is now being lampooned even by soft-left elements of the media for trying to prevent the public from crowding into High Park and other public places to enjoy the sight and aroma of the cherry blossoms, a much anticipated rite of spring. This is starting to resemble the Dutch Tulip madness of the 17th century, where individual tulip flowering plants, which had only recently been developed, could sell for the current equivalent of over $50,000, and we are discussing the frugal and sober Dutch, not a nationality more accustomed to taking leave of its collective senses.

Canada recorded 4,404 coronavirus deaths as of Thursday night; about 80 per cent of them are among the 20 per cent of people over the age of 60, and usually with additional health problems that have compromised their immune systems. Thus, we have discovered with the data that has come in in the last two months, and especially from the over eight million tests in the United States, that we have a significant problem for a fifth of the people and a minimal problem for the great majority. In Canada this means that among people over 65 there has been about one fatality for each 2,200 people, or one-22nd of one per cent, which are pretty good odds for the elderly. And as 20 per cent of fatalities occur among the 80 per cent of the population beneath the age of 65, the chances of people in that large age bracket being mortally afflicted from this pandemic are approximately one in almost 40,000. Thus the danger of death for 80 per cent of people is not statistically significant, and there is no excuse for continuing any substantial part of the lockdown in respect of them.

American testing, uncontradicted by the experiences of other countries that have tested extensively, is that about half of those who contract the coronavirus have no symptoms at all, so the fear that people who survive a coronavirus attack are certain to have been through a terrible, life-threatening ordeal is unfounded. And thorough research in New York City, where there has been the greatest concentration of occurrences of the illness in North America, well beyond that city’s proportionate share of the U.S. population, reveals that two-thirds of infections have been contracted by people who have been observing the shutdown and staying at home. I supported the shutdown as necessary to ensure that a disease that we had reason to fear was deadlier and more pernicious than it is did not sweep across the whole population. But now, nothing could be more obvious than the fact that it is a positive danger now, medically and economically, to continue the shutdown remotely as tightly as it has been.

The confinement of millions of people doesn’t, beyond a certain point, reduce the chances of infection and this level of economic disruption is an unprecedented international act of self-impoverishment. The human damage of this amount of artificial unemployment cannot be sustained much longer, and neither can the fiscal burden of trying to compensate those who have been disemployed as a result of public policy rather than any fault of their own or the normal forces of the free market, and there is no excuse for it. I am not a gun enthusiast and don’t enjoy shooting of any kind but it was hard not to be impressed by the determination of large groups of Americans crowding into state capitals last week, many of them exercising the Second Amendment right to bear arms, to assert their right to go freely about their communities, do their jobs, earn their pay and take care of their families. When my sons and daughter and I were all much younger, I used to take them to paintball parks in the interior of Florida and was always astounded at how many adult men appeared in battle fatigues and told me what arsenals they had in their homes of real guns and how little surprised they would be if at some point they had to defend their homes against the government, as in the days of the American Revolution.

The gentler tradition of this country has many attractions, and there are aspects of American society that are mad and violent. But the docility of Canadians putting up with this nonsense is dispiriting. Escalated efforts should be made to provide for and insulate the vulnerable, who are almost all sensible and aware of the dangers and can act prudently. The rest of the population should take their chances. They have virtually no chance of a fatal encounter and little likelihood of a nasty illness. Our society must act sensibly to reduce the likelihood of dangerous infections but stop this contemptible cowering like moles and imagining that fear of the illness will ever be a policy that banishes it. This is not a question of monetizing life and exalting commerce. It is the recognition that too many in this country seem reluctant to face: that we cannot justify the penury of a fifth of the population, almost eight million people, and dangerous increases in public debt and the money supply, to reduce marginally the mortal impact of a disease that takes such a small percentage of the population.

We know from Sweden what happens when the population is adequately warned and restaurants and theatres and sporting events are somewhat thinned but essentially everything goes on close to normal: the fatality rate rises to about 2.5 times the rate of Canada and perhaps 20 per cent above the United States, and 90 per cent of Sweden’s deaths from this virus occur in people 70 years old or above. Every death is a sadness and premature and avoidable deaths are tragedies, but putting between a fifth and a third of the population in grave financial danger and at risk of ancillary conditions that can also be deadly, to reduce the mortal incidence of the virus from 320 people in one million over the whole population to 200, is not a justifiable measure.

The whole anti-coronavirus effort has suffered from mission creep: at the outset, it was designed to prevent a devastation that would re-enact the great London plague of the mid-17th century. The Imperial College in London predicted, a bit cavalierly, about 2.2 million dead in the United States, about two-thirds of one per cent of the entire population. The shutdown and simultaneous measures reduced the incidence of the coronavirus, but a virus can remain dormant for a long time and cannot be extirpated without a vaccine. Until a vaccine is developed, the best that can be done is to run as normal an economic life as possible, shelter the vulnerable elderly and infirm, and rely on the prudent majority to act wisely but not obsessively or in a cowardly manner. Having neighbours set the police on neighbours because they suspect they are entertaining a friend for dinner, barricading the public out of parks because too many will want to see the cherry blossoms, frog-marching people off beaches and fining or jailing them, demeans the police and insults everyone. It is shaming and absurd.

Telling 25-year-old couples, married or not, straight or gay, who are intimate, that they have to maintain two-metres between them in public is ludicrous. A sure sign that this has gone far enough occurred this week when my tailor in Savile Row advised that designer masks are available. The rest of the world is going back to work and to comparative normalcy, in stages, but much more quickly than we are. No one wants impetuosity; but we don’t want, and should not accept, priggish fearfulness either.

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Problem is that the media controls 90% of narrative and you can see their blue print narratives they talk during evening news, everywhere!

First it was all fear, death tolls, lockdowns..now suddenly northern hemisphere is lifting lockdowns ...interesting Italy which got hit "heavy" (at least that MSM said) is lifting their lockdown at the same time another small country where I came from is ...the only difference is they had over 20,000 deaths vs 200...so it absurd and almost insane that they both lifted the lockdown at the same time. Fascinating :lol:

On a side note...I remember the bird flue back in my old country ...the previous administration including health ministry jumped on the band wagon and said they needed to get everyone vaccinated or the population is doomed. They ordered a ***load of vaccines and someone made a ton of money ...but people saw their bs and only like 10% got the shot. Needles to say the death toll was marginal ...multiple arrest followed afterward ...but the big shots and politicians got away and quietly retired.

Seems another round is on :roll:
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Quebec has 2928 (as of May 11) deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, 2.2% are older than 30 and less than 60 years of age, and 90.8% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
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ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2800 deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, and 90% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
Agreed.

But obviously some one has other interests. To collapse the economy and make the middle class even more obsolete and the super rich, richer!
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ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2800 deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, and 90% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
What about the children presenting with a form of Kawasaki disease, the forty somethings with massive strokes who had zero risk factors, there is so much not known at this point, I don’t want to be a guinea pig, so if you feel you need to, fill your boots but thankfully the health officials are making informed decisions and not getting their information from internet idiots.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/7 ... h/2408285/

“New York may have as many as 85 cases of children presenting with a new pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome likely linked to COVID-19 -- and two more children may have died of the condition, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.“
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mbav8r wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:58 am
ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2800 deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, and 90% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
What about the children presenting with a form of Kawasaki disease, the forty somethings with massive strokes who had zero risk factors, there is so much not known at this point, I don’t want to be a guinea pig, so if you feel you need to, fill your boots but thankfully the health officials are making informed decisions and not getting their information from internet idiots.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/7 ... h/2408285/

“New York may have as many as 85 cases of children presenting with a new pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome likely linked to COVID-19 -- and two more children may have died of the condition, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.“
I’m not sure why you feel the need to attack me after one innocuous post. Are you getting enough iron in your diet?

As of May 9, Ontario has had 1634 COVID-19 deaths. Ontario organizes its cases into different buckets than Quebec so the data is not apples to apples, but:

There have been zero (0.0) deaths of people aged 19 or younger. There have been 7 deaths of people 20 or older and less than 40 (no mention of comorbid conditionality), and 95.2% (1557) of the deaths are of people 60 or older (no mention of comorbidity).

This virus doesn’t kill young people. It kills old people and people with certain pre-existing conditions (diabetes and obesity co-related illnesses etc).

We know who is at risk. Let’s take the steps (i.e. spend the money) to protect these people and go back to work. We can use the savings from NOT collapsing the economy to reorganize our long term care facilities.
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“New York may have as many as 85 cases of children presenting with a new pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome likely linked to COVID-19 -- and two more children may have died of the condition, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.“

Before we panic and assume that Covid-19 is the culprit, let the "likelys" turn into "without a doubt" and the "may have's" turn into "did".

The simple fact that hundreds of thousands of children weren't allowed to go outside for a long period, "may" have exposed them to excessive basement mould (black mould is extremely common and nasty) or other indoor respiratory irritants.

We don't know yet.
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RippleRock, agreed fully. All I see is a number of media reports questioning if there is a link.

I watched for two years as Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and the rest of the MSM questioned a link between Trump and Russia, and we all know how that turned out.
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It's a reach. There is not a link. Not all the kids in New York had Covid, of course some of them did, because hundreds of thousands of people have or had it, but it's not the cause. Why didn't we see this on any other parts of the world? Only New York?
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ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:20 am
mbav8r wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:58 am
ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2800 deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, and 90% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
What about the children presenting with a form of Kawasaki disease, the forty somethings with massive strokes who had zero risk factors, there is so much not known at this point, I don’t want to be a guinea pig, so if you feel you need to, fill your boots but thankfully the health officials are making informed decisions and not getting their information from internet idiots.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/7 ... h/2408285/

“New York may have as many as 85 cases of children presenting with a new pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome likely linked to COVID-19 -- and two more children may have died of the condition, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.“
I’m not sure why you feel the need to attack me after one innocuous post. Are you getting enough iron in your diet?

As of May 9, Ontario has had 1634 COVID-19 deaths. Ontario organizes its cases into different buckets than Quebec so the data is not apples to apples, but:

There have been zero (0.0) deaths of people aged 19 or younger. There have been 7 deaths of people 20 or older and less than 40 (no mention of comorbid conditionality), and 95.2% (1557) of the deaths are of people 60 or older (no mention of comorbidity).

This virus doesn’t kill young people. It kills old people and people with certain pre-existing conditions (diabetes and obesity co-related illnesses etc).

We know who is at risk. Let’s take the steps (i.e. spend the money) to protect these people and go back to work. We can use the savings from NOT collapsing the economy to reorganize our long term care facilities.
First, I won’t apologize for grouping you in, these numbers you quote are with the extreme measures that were taken, other parts of the world who acted too late are seeing these other groups being affected. You advocate for protect the vulnerable but the fact is there are more vulnerable groups that will be affected or groups that are not considered vulnerable, if we get back too soon.
The media is not misrepresenting the facts, they may focus on certain facts but they are not lying, fact is there are many children with,
“Critically ill children have been ending up in intensive care units with shock-like symptoms in recent weeks, adding yet another mysterious layer to the coronavirus pandemic.“
How many lives are you willing to sacrifice to get the economy going? How many children, how many people with no risk factors are acceptable? Fact, there is no way of knowing how bad it will get, other than a few countries that didn’t take strong measures, believe me, I’ve been watching them and comparing to our response and outcome. A couple of those have had their deaths accelerate as of late and I suspect the worst is yet to come.
Quebec’s premier is about to experiment with their children, I suspect this will not bode well for his political future but time will tell.
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altiplano wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:42 am It's a reach. There is not a link. Not all the kids in New York had Covid, of course some of them did, because hundreds of thousands of people have or had it, but it's not the cause. Why didn't we see this on any other parts of the world? Only New York?
Read the god damn article!
“A few days earlier, officials in the United Kingdom notified doctors of similar cases there, also describing them as having features similar to Kawasaki disease and toxic shock syndrome. Several of the children had tested positive for COVID-19.“
It’s just coming out, fact is we don’t yet know, how many children will you sacrifice?
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RippleRock wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:28 am “New York may have as many as 85 cases of children presenting with a new pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome likely linked to COVID-19 -- and two more children may have died of the condition, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.“

Before we panic and assume that Covid-19 is the culprit, let the "likelys" turn into "without a doubt" and the "may have's" turn into "did".

The simple fact that hundreds of thousands of children weren't allowed to go outside for a long period, "may" have exposed them to excessive basement mould (black mould is extremely common and nasty) or other indoor respiratory irritants.

We don't know yet.
So, “We don’t know yet” but let’s get this party started regardless, is that what you’re saying?
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There may be a link to the whole situation, but if it's the virus itself, it's not established yet. And how do you reconcile that not all the kids had the virus or antibody?

You like to work on facts, don't you?
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“Coronavirus may be more dangerous in children than first realised. Increasing support is linking the notorious virus with an influx of youngsters sent to intensive care.

Experts looked into eight cases of children who had been admitted to intensive care at Evelina London Children's Hospital in mid-April”
“Symptoms associated with Kawasaki disease, a rare blood vessel disorder, have appeared to cluster in COVID-19 hot spots, including New York City and the United Kingdom, and now, some Montreal doctors are seeing slightly more cases, too.“
“Four kids tested positive for the novel coronavirus, and 11 patients tested negative. Out of the negative patients, six children’s blood work showed they had antibodies to the virus, suggesting they may have previously had exposure to the virus“
“Mount Sinai Hospital has confirmed reports of new and unusual COVID-19 illness in pediatric patients“

So, with that, the FACT we don’t know yet, how many children are you willing to sacrifice, would you let your children be the guinea pig?
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“The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.
There's growing evidence that Covid-19 infection can cause the blood to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence of that
"Our report shows a seven-fold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks. Most of these patients have no past medical history and were at home with either mild symptoms (or in two cases, no symptoms) of Covid," he added.”
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ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:41 am RippleRock, agreed fully. All I see is a number of media reports questioning if there is a link.

I watched for two years as Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and the rest of the MSM questioned a link between Trump and Russia, and we all know how that turned out.
Yes. but no one cares about that right now, so MSM now has another gem to exploit to their audience.
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For those wanting to isolate the vulnerable and open the rest wide open consider this. The White House is the most protected place from Covid 19 in the world with daily testing of everybody working there, and mandatory testing for anybody getting within a mile of President Moron or Vice-President sycophantic idiot. Yet, two staff people right next to each of them tested positive. You are smoking a virulent strain of dope if you think people can be totally isolated from this.
ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:41 am I watched for two years as Rachel Maddow of MSNBC and the rest of the MSM questioned a link between Trump and Russia, and we all know how that turned out.
Since you brought it up:

1. Multiple indictments and prison sentences.
2. Multiple documented improper communications between the Trump circle and Russian government officials and agents.
3. Multiple documented examples of obstruction of justice.
4. Massive political coverup by the Republicans.
5. Complete corruption of the US Justice Department to serve DJT. Not the American people, not the constitution, not even the presidency...just Trump.
6. The end of American democracy, the American constitution and the rule of law.
ikarus wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:37 am But obviously some one has other interests. To collapse the economy and make the middle class even more obsolete and the super rich, richer!
It's in no one's interest to collapse the economy so maybe stop believing every crackpot conspiracy theory you read from the Alex Jone's of the internet. However collapsing the economy is almost a certainty if this virus is not dealt with properly and decisively. Sticking one's head up their ass and pretending it won't continue to wreak havoc will only make the economic pain more pronounced and long lasting. Same with not following medical science recommendations. The question everyone should be asking governments at every level is what is the plan for the degree of testing and tracing health officials say is necessary? So far the plan just seems to be let people get infected.

To that end, there are reported Covid 19 infection parties in the US northwest where uninfected people deliberately mingle with infected people. Kind of like the chicken pox parties parents of young children used to have. For the herd immunity crowd you might want to take a road trip out there to join in the fun.
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ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2928 (as of May 11) deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, 2.2% are older than 30 and less than 60 years of age, and 90.8% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
Agreed. People gotta get back to work. Who do you think pays for their CPP? The working population.
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780Pilot wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:00 am Agreed. People gotta get back to work. Who do you think pays for their CPP? The working population.
Actually, cpp benefits are paid out from the investment fund which has accumulated over the years from contributions. CPP assests can cover it's obligations going forward, without contributions from workers, but then those workers not contributing today, wont have anything to draw from later.

Me thinks you are confusing the CPP we have in Canada with the Social Security they have in the USA. In the USA, government has spent all the SS funding, so payments to have to come from general revenue. Our governments cannot spend the CPP kitty, so future obligations are covered.
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780Pilot wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:00 am
ALPApolicy wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:12 am Quebec has 2928 (as of May 11) deaths due to COVID-19 and zero of them are people under 30, 2.2% are older than 30 and less than 60 years of age, and 90.8% are 70 or older, most of whom were in long term care facilities or retirement homes.

We now know who is at risk. Take the measures to isolate them and let the rest of us go back to work.
Agreed. People gotta get back to work. Who do you think pays for their CPP? The working population.
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I think it is comical that anyone who has doubts about this crackdown on our society and if it is proportional to what was necessary as being "deniers" or "stupid"

Well numbers are easy to interpret

I'm in BC and we have had ZERO deaths to anyone under 19.

Zero

I am not worried about my children in regards to Covid-19. Way bigger fish to fry. Vehicles, bikes and bathtubs are much more of a danger for them.
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Re: The Return to Normal?

Post by mbav8r »

flashheart wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 10:46 am I think it is comical that anyone who has doubts about this crackdown on our society and if it is proportional to what was necessary as being "deniers" or "stupid"

Well numbers are easy to interpret

I'm in BC and we have had ZERO deaths to anyone under 19.

Zero

I am not worried about my children in regards to Covid-19. Way bigger fish to fry. Vehicles, bikes and bathtubs are much more of a danger for them.
B.C has been hailed as having one of the better responses and buy in, how many deaths under 19 had they not responded? Do you know? Can you acknowledge it most certainly would have been worse?
Also, there is more to Canada or North America than B.C, are the residents of B.C some how more resistant to covid?
And, I don’t think people are stupid because they deny, it’s because the comprehension of the situation lacks intelligence, they keep quoting numbers that are based on the strong measures as if that means anything at all about opening the economy, we simply don’t know for sure.
If in a month Quebec has an influx of children with multi organ inflammatory disease based on them opening schools today, we’ll know more but if only 20% of the children go back to school, we will know less, see how that works.
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