Pfizer Covid Vaccine shows 90% effectiveness.

[Inverted2]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpos ... 7ba3d/amp/

He tested positive twice and negative twice in the same day.

Perhaps because of this (which you'd have seen if you read the article):

The billionaire said he took a series of rapid antigen tests, which produce results within 15 minutes and are cheaper but less reliable than polymerase chain reaction tests

They can’t even have accurate tests so I will reserve any judgment for a Bill Gates vaccine.

Well, actually, they can, as the article you posted showed.

Well, in case you’ve been hiding in the basement with no outside contact for the past 2 months,those rapid tests are the ones the airlines are hoping to be using soon. If you are in fact employed by an airline, their flaws should be pointed out as it is pertinent to our livelihood.

[CpnCrunch]

Get rid of mandatory mask, its bullshit. Vaccine is bullshit. Covid is bullshit. Get over it..

Yeah, tell that to the people that have died, or are in the vulnerable group. You might change your tune once your own relative dies from it.

[mixturerich]

This is gonna be another train wreck avcanada covid thread.

Seriously guys, WTF is going on here? What is wrong with some of you? I knew there were some conspiracy whack jobs in our ranks but I guess they all congregate on avcanada because people are so sick of listening to them in the cockpit.

We actually have professional pilots taking a stance against masks. A profession that literally revolves around safety, preventative medicine, and generally a “better safe than sorry” mentality. The vast majority of doctors (with qualifications we no not have) advocate wearing masks when we can’t stay 6ft apart. Suddenly we have aviation people pulling articles and random studies out of their ass from all over the web, trying to go against the grain, and topple the mainstream thinking. And for what? It’s not going to get your job back, dummies. You’re not going to “win” the battle against masks. You’re only making this whole fiasco worse be preventing us from getting on the same page! I guess I was naive to think that the modern rise of anti-intellectualism wouldn’t creep into our profession too. It’s still embarrassing.

[montado]

Maybe I need to define what I mean when I say masks don't work. I don't mean they don't work at all. I don't mean they don't stop any new cases.

What I do mean is for a cloth mask to be effective it takes a significant amount of thought in the way you use it. Infact wearing a cloth mask can actually put you at higher risk of not used properly. They have even done studies on medical professionals wearing medical grade masks. They found when masks are used for targeted exposure they were rendered not effective. In other words if you remove and install a mask throughout your shift and only wear it when in the room with a patient it loses its effectiveness. As for the aircanada issued mask, I can say as soon as it gets washed and dry it shrunk pretty small. I see lots of people wearing very small masks on their face that don't really cover the chin and nose on an adult size face. But this is company issue and we are told this will protect us... So carry on right?

So the cloth masks works in a perfect world. Yes you can do a stupid test and put a mask on a test bench and prove it blocks some spit. But put a mask on millions of people who wear it under their nose, who wear the same cloth for over 4 hours. Who don't wash it daily, who touch their face, who don't have a snug fit, who remove it outside the store then put it back on then remove again 10 more times that day... which this applies to probably 90 percent of people... When I say masks don't work, this is why they don't work.

As for tracking cases and why some first waves look different than second waves in different places. Some like to say the mask is why. My belief on the deaths is if you are hit hard with deaths the first wave the most vulnerable are killed off. This means the second wave you have less vulnerable and only the original surviving left. These people are not likely to die round two. This is exactly how flu season works. If you live somewhere that has a terrible flue season with high deaths, the following season you are more likely to not be hit as hard. Statistical graphs on normal death rates provide evidence of that.

The masks have very little to do with any of the trends we see. The mask is the face of the pandemic but its just a distraction from the reality in my opinion. I'm happy to wear the mask to appease you, but I don't think for one second that it will prevent me from giving you covid if you don't keep distance.

I have to wonder why people are so confident masks work, when experts are still debating how covid is spreading. It was only a couple months ago CDC updated guidelines and said its spreading with aerosol. Cloth masks don't block all aerosols. Saying cloth masks work is like saying winter tires stop winter car crashes. Winter tires work. But why do people still get into accidents in snow? Why do people still get covid when we have mandatory masks?

Winter tires work like you would say masks work... Masks don't work like you might say winter tires don't work. You would not drive you car any different with winter tires as you would with summer tires, so why would you wear a mask and do things you would not do without a mask?

[mixturerich]

I'm happy to wear the mask to appease you, but I don't think for one second that it will prevent me from giving you covid if you don't keep distance.

Okay this is good...at least now you’re complying...that’s all the mainstream wants.

Listen, I admit I can’t know 100% whether masks work or not. However, the big mainstream dial points to “Yes” a lot more than “No”, so like a simple sensible child I like take the safer option.

I still just don’t understand how some people can be 100% sure that they don’t work and have to be so Trumpy about it. It’s not an aviation safety mentality at all, where we normally take the safer route. It’s just weird to me.

[montado]

I'm happy to wear the mask to appease you, but I don't think for one second that it will prevent me from giving you covid if you don't keep distance.

Okay this is good...at least now you’re complying...that’s all the mainstream wants.

Listen, I admit I can’t know 100% whether masks work or not. However, the big mainstream dial points to “Yes” a lot more than “No”, so like a simple sensible child I like take the safer option.

I still just don’t understand how some people can be 100% sure that they don’t work and have to be so Trumpy about it. It’s not an aviation safety mentality at all, where we normally take the safer route. It’s just weird to me.

It is very complicated to not wear a mask when the policy says you have to. So I think most people who don't even believe in the mask wear it because it makes life way more simple. My approach is the "you do you" philosophy. I don't judge anyone who choose not to wear, or to wear a mask. I simply don't give one shit, as it is not likely to make a difference unless some covid infested coughing monster chooses to sneezer an spit all over me, but then again the mask probably wont help. The other day I got a dry cough fit, which the mask didn't help... I was in a store and everyone was looking at me as if I had a gun and was about to shoot them... Like holy @#$! someone is coughing! We will all die... the cold dry air sometimes causes me to have a momentary coughing fit.

As to your last point, if you are unsure about the efficacy of masks, don't you think the best action is to use the mask in a way that you would still take the same precautions you would if you did not have a mask? To be honest I feel no safer walking around a costco with a mask than without it, and the same as if other wear one or not. And then for the times that I am in an enclosed space for longer durations, while I wear the mask, the exposure is so close, and long that I know my shit mask did sweet @#$! all. I know when I wear my mask outside my glasses fog up, because the air escapes. I can make it tighter at the top, then the air goes out the side. To me its like the winter tire analogy. There are plenty of people who drive with all season tires that I would 100% rather drive with in a blizzard than the next person driving with winter tires on. The mask is a tool, like a winter tire... We all know if winter tires give you more confidence to drive faster, you don't reduce accidents. Hence a policy "wear masks when you cant keep distance" is as good as saying, "now that you have your winter tires on you can drive like its summer". Does this explain why masks "don't work" because social distancing is very effective, and masks are not... but we pretend masks are so people can feel normal enough. Why this topic is so debated I don't know... I have no clue why people complain when someone is not wearing a mask... Would you outrage at someone for not using winter tires? Does evidence support that places that have mandatory winter tires they have less accidents? Or does everyone just drive faster and end up in accidents the same as other places? Makes me wonder why masks are mandatory so I can do certain risky things that I'm not allowed to do without a mask.

McD'd is happy though... They will profit, and take down all the mom and pop restaurants. They are already shilling for a new normal. Be fat dumb and stupid!- McDonalds

[Goodman5]

You must not live in a part of Canada where winter tires are absolutely required for winter driving.

People who don’t have winter tires on get sh*t on by other drivers. Because they’re wreckless and putting themselves and others at risk.

The majority of people understand that winter tires don’t mean you can drive ‘like it’s summer’.

Most people know they are taking a precaution to protect themselves and others while operating a vehicle in unfavourable road conditions. (any respectable pilot knows this I’ll add!)

Most people know it would be stupid/wreckless/inconsiderate to not comply.

Most people don’t want to be that guy.

The majority of people see anti-maskers as that guy.

Don’t be that guy man.

[photofly]

People who don’t have winter tires on get sh*t on by other drivers. Because they’re wreckless and putting themselves and others at risk.

Ah, that'll be reckless - not wreckless. In fact, less likely to be wreckless.

[rookiepilot]

The vast majority of doctors (with qualifications we no not have) advocate wearing masks when we can’t stay 6ft apart. Suddenly we have aviation people pulling articles and random studies out of their ass from all over the web, trying to go against the grain, and topple the mainstream thinking.

Mmmmmmm.......

My thought?

Listen to your public health authority.

[montado]

CDC is now saying cloth masks protect the wearer. Every week a new announcement lol. So does this mean now everyone can take personal responsibility and wear the PPE they choose... Like you cant blame me for killing grandma anymore... since masks protect the wearer, if grandma wears a mask...

[photofly]

To be honest I feel no safer walking around a costco with a mask than without it

But I feel safer walking around Costco when you are walking around Costco wearing a mask. I thank you for doing so.

[shimmydampner]

Firstly in the USA do you even know how many states and municipalities have mandatory masks? 34 states, that’s right, including one of the hardest hit NY.

Funny if you look at the graph for NY, mandatory masks happened end of may, however covid cases were already on the decline. Now for some reason cases are trending up, in the state that’s heavily democrat, and mask abiding citizens. (Is this really about mask... or maybe flu season, social distancing, and outdoor activity has way more bearing on outcomes?)

And let me guess, you have an answer for Sweden too, who has been averaging under 5 deaths a day since August. No mandatory mask in Sweden, some people there choose to wear them, however it seems as if the citizens can use their own judgment. Plenty of images from Sweden showing mask use is not really the norm.

Masks doesn’t work well enough to slow the spread. Need some proof just look at all the places with mandatory mask policy, it ain’t working ... But I can tell you what the mask does very very well.. people who don’t have covid, and wear a mask, are doing a great job of not spreading covid... probably because the mask... but I’m not sure..... science....

I always enjoy subjective “proof” that misses so many facts.

Almost like all that subjective "proof" that conflates correlation with causation.

[AirFrame]

Everyone is an expert here and with so much contradictory evidence how are we supposed to ever figure this out

Simple. *we* aren't going to figure it out. The scientists are. All *we* have to do is listen to them and stop second-guessing them with armchair PhD's.

[rookiepilot]

Everyone is an expert here and with so much contradictory evidence how are we supposed to ever figure this out

Simple. *we* aren't going to figure it out. The scientists are. All *we* have to do is listen to them and stop second-guessing them with armchair PhD's.

Pax don't need to understand how an aircraft flies to listen to instructions and follow the rules.

[2R]

The Scientists cannot agree . But most military planners are in agreement and are re-arming and getting ready . The flurry of activity at dual use laboratories is interesting . The car parks at the malls are empty , but the car parks at the Laboratories are full . I do hope General Carter is wrong . But all the signs are pointing to him offering a reasoned and accurate assessment of the global situation.

Any dates for getting the vaccines yet ?

[discountpilot]

CDC is now saying cloth masks protect the wearer. Every week a new announcement lol. So does this mean now everyone can take personal responsibility and wear the PPE they choose... Like you cant blame me for killing grandma anymore... since masks protect the wearer, if grandma wears a mask...

This thread is hilarious.


Where did you get your epidemiology masters? Facebook University?

[rookiepilot]

2 years for TSB to properly analyze an accident. Totally accepted.

6 months though is obviously far too long for experts to analyze a brand new virus, infinately more complex.

[CpnCrunch]

It's pretty simple really. Cloth masks give you some random amount of protection depending on how many layers they have and how they're made. Medical masks give the best protection. That's what the research shows, and it's also common sense.

The main problem right now is people deciding they just HAVE TO have a massive party, and then they end up infecting 50 people. This seems to be the main driver for the new infections. My wife's workplace had an all-hands meeting for their 16 employees outside with social distancing, but for some unknown reason they're having an xmas party with 30 people in a tiny restaurant. We predict that by the time xmas rolls around BC will have banned gatherings like that, but either way we won't be there.

[ReserveTank]

CDC is now saying cloth masks protect the wearer. Every week a new announcement lol. So does this mean now everyone can take personal responsibility and wear the PPE they choose... Like you cant blame me for killing grandma anymore... since masks protect the wearer, if grandma wears a mask...

This thread is hilarious.


Where did you get your epidemiology masters? Facebook University?

Ah, good old credentialism.

Did Bill Gates study epidemiology? Why is he a leading authority on vaccines? Why is he in direct consultation Drs. Fauci, Birx, the CDC, and the WHO, not to mention several countries' health authorities?

Remember the financial crisis of 2007-8? Any of those guys study economics?
The world got absolutely burned by a bunch of M.B.A.s and PhDs.

Agricultural scientists get hired to make your frankenfood out of chemicals.

A diploma only means qualification to enter a position. It is NOT a certification of morals.

[Inverted2]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

[Conflicting Traffic]

Ah, good old credentialism.

Yes. The horror of wanting people to actually know what they're talking about. Just awful.

Did Bill Gates study epidemiology?

It's my understanding that he didn't, but I stand to be corrected on that.

Why is he a leading authority on vaccines?

He isn't as far a I know. But he's smart enough to listen to people who are and to understand the points they're making.

Why is he in direct consultation Drs. Fauci, Birx, the CDC, and the WHO, not to mention several countries' health authorities?

As far as I know, it's because he's at the head of a large philanthropic organization which, among other things, provides and distributes large quantities of vaccines. Working in consultation with other organizations working toward the same goal seems pretty reasonable to me.

Remember the financial crisis of 2007-8? Any of those guys study economics?
The world got absolutely burned by a bunch of M.B.A.s and PhDs.

What guys? You'll need to be more specific.

Agricultural scientists get hired to make your frankenfood out of chemicals.

If you know of any foods that are not made of chemicals, let us know.

A diploma only means qualification to enter a position. It is NOT a certification of morals.

But the lack of a diploma somehow make one morally superior? One's desire to do right is irrelevant if they are too ignorant to know the difference between helping and hindering. And to be clear, there are several professional areas where your moral behaviour in a professional context does in fact impact your ability to maintain your qualifications. Several (all?) health care practicices would fit this description.

[Conflicting Traffic]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

I know, right!?!? Can you imagine being afraid of masks? Or being afraid of basic health measures that protect society. The mind boggles.

[mbav8r]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

This fear you allude to, is it the fear of no ICU beds available for the inevitable cases that will show up without the measures?
The REALITY IS, hospitals are reaching their max capacity, not just beds but health care workers to attend to them, this is WITH measures of some sort in effect.
The problem with letting people live their lives, people make SELFISH choices with no regard for their fellow humans, so health officials have to intervene and provide restrictions, yet some assholes will still violate them.

[CpnCrunch]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

No need to cower in fear, just wear a mask and/or keep your distance, and don't throw massive parties.

People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

My immunosuppressed relative couldn't get her regular blood test recently, as hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases. Maybe you should tell her that she's lost her sense of reality, and I'm sure she'll happily rip you a new one.

[northernpilot2]

Yeah, tell that to the people that have died, or are in the vulnerable group. You might change your tune once your own relative dies from it.

What about the line " it's people like you that are causing the virus and lockdowns ". You forgot to add that to your statement above.