Can Tourism Operators Survive Another Year of Border Closure?

[CruiserNU]

The Americans, even considering that the new administration said this morning that there was "no plan" under the Trump presidency (probably true) they have still managed to vaccinate three times more people per capita than we have. Imagine if they had actually had a plan!

As of today, Canada ranks 25th among all countries in vaccinations, behind the likes of Romania and Slovenia, and WAY behind Israel, the UAE, China, India, the US, etc., etc.

[confusedalot]

I agree.....

Trudeau junior is not even close to Trudeau senior.....who has now passed away........

At least the old guy had a sense of reality.

Beards are nice, but wtf? Pie in the sky ideas are bound to fail, it's always been like that.

I guess that practical thinking is out of fashion since that does not get votes, so the pie in the sky types rule, and we all have to suffer the consequences. They rule......

Until no one can eat anymore. Then.....things will change........

It's happening south of the border......And I am not happy about the outcome.

[Launchpad1]

Looks like the movement restrictions might be about to get tighter for a bit:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/cancel-trav ... -1.1554220

[ReserveTank]

Looks like the movement restrictions might be about to get tighter for a bit:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/cancel-trav ... -1.1554220

"The bad choices of a few will never be allowed to put everyone else in danger," he said at a news conference outside his Rideau Cottage home in Ottawa.

See, citizens? It's YOUR fault.
Just remember that your entire life has been upended by the common cold.

[Launchpad1]

https://www.traveloffpath.com/canadians ... -airlines/

Well that's sneaky.

[Inverted2]

Friends of the family recently shipped their car across the border on a transport truck and flew over the border on an R44 helicopter and drove down to Florida. People always find loopholes to all these crazy rules. Not sure if that is still possible with the regime change south of the border or not. They are staying till the end of April so not sure how they will get back.

[PitchLink]

Friends of the family recently shipped their car across the border on a transport truck and flew over the border on an R44 helicopter and drove down to Florida. People always find loopholes to all these crazy rules. Not sure if that is still possible with the regime change south of the border or not. They are staying till the end of April so not sure how they will get back.

Ya that’s an operator out of Kitchener I think. That loophole still open?

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Ya that’s an operator out of Kitchener I think. That loophole still open?

Yeah that's Great Lakes Helicopter
https://greatlakeshelicopter.ca/flights-to-the-u-s-a/

And there's other operators all over the place still doing it. There's a Navajo that does multiple daily trips back and forth from London to Detroit.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGGBI

There was a great article in the Star about people who used the loophole to fly south and then complained they had to do the hotel quarantine when coming back to Canada. Their excuse was it was too expensive. So I guess in their minds it's not too expensive to charter a private helicopter or Navajo, pay someone to drive your car across the border and then drive down to your second home in the south, but it's far too expensive to quarantine in a hotel for 3 days when you probably shouldn't have travelled anywhere anyways. I'm not saying the hotel quarantine is a good idea, but you can't really complain when you've used loopholes to escape to the south when those of us who are being responsible suck it up and hunker down.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... -jail.html

[PitchLink]

Ya that’s an operator out of Kitchener I think. That loophole still open?

Yeah that's Great Lakes Helicopter
https://greatlakeshelicopter.ca/flights-to-the-u-s-a/

And there's other operators all over the place still doing it. There's a Navajo that does multiple daily trips back and forth from London to Detroit.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGGBI

There was a great article in the Star about people who used the loophole to fly south and then complained they had to do the hotel quarantine when coming back to Canada. Their excuse was it was too expensive. So I guess in their minds it's not too expensive to charter a private helicopter or Navajo, pay someone to drive your car across the border and then drive down to your second home in the south, but it's far too expensive to quarantine in a hotel for 3 days when you probably shouldn't have travelled anywhere anyways. I'm not saying the hotel quarantine is a good idea, but you can't really complain when you've used loopholes to escape to the south when those of us who are being responsible suck it up and hunker down.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... -jail.html

I wasn’t going to name names but ya I knew it was GLH. Pretty ballsy playing that game during a global pandemic.

[Kejidog]

Pretty funny. They are not “loopholes” they are the rules. The border is not closed to air travel nor is it to GA travel. These same people could purchase tickets on a commercial flight direct. I would say that they wanted their car while they were away and found a smart way to accomplish it. Personally I would have flew and just bought a cheap beater to leave for my next trip down. Having to “quarantine” in this hotel clusterfu’k is more virtue signalling and totally unnecessary. I guess the crowd that believe masks stops it, despite numbers of cases of community spread increasing since; believe big nanny government will save us all with platitudes and vapid “stay safe and hunker down” messages. But hey, we live in an age where the truth is mailable and feelings are considered facts so anything is possible I guess. I used to wonder how the nazi’s got people to feed humans into ovens now I know. They just asked and the sheep stepped up to do it. Just like today. And we even have those slimy travellers to hate and blame and accuse. Just like the 30’s I guess. The big lie.

The one thing I am sure of is we suck as a country and have appointed outright incompetent crooked leaders. And will again. As I said months ago we’re no better than a cold large third world country in our “virus response” the USA IS VACCINATING close to 2 million people a day. We haven’t even been able to get 2 million total. I am old so I am not worried about my future. It’s my kid
‘S that I am concerned for

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

There was a great article in the Star about people who used the loophole to fly south and then complained they had to do the hotel quarantine when coming back to Canada. Their excuse was it was too expensive. So I guess in their minds it's not too expensive to charter a private helicopter or Navajo, pay someone to drive your car across the border and then drive down to your second home in the south, but it's far too expensive to quarantine in a hotel for 3 days when you probably shouldn't have travelled anywhere anyways. I'm not saying the hotel quarantine is a good idea, but you can't really complain when you've used loopholes to escape to the south when those of us who are being responsible suck it up and hunker down.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... -jail.html

I would disagree. I don't know anyone in that position, but their beef was much more that the deal was altered after they made it. There was no requirement upon their return of a $3k quarantine when they left. I fully disagree with them leaving in the first place, I think that it's a rather reprehensible decision. But they made it after carefully evaluating the risks and costs, I would like to think.

I'm sorry but "We are altering the deal. Pray we do not alter it further." just isn't kosher.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Pretty funny. They are not “loopholes” they are the rules. The border is not closed to air travel nor is it to GA travel. These same people could purchase tickets on a commercial flight direct. I would say that they wanted their car while they were away and found a smart way to accomplish it. Personally I would have flew and just bought a cheap beater to leave for my next trip down. Having to “quarantine” in this hotel clusterfu’k is more virtue signalling and totally unnecessary. I guess the crowd that believe masks stops it, despite numbers of cases of community spread increasing since; believe big nanny government will save us all with platitudes and vapid “stay safe and hunker down” messages. But hey, we live in an age where the truth is mailable and feelings are considered facts so anything is possible I guess. I used to wonder how the nazi’s got people to feed humans into ovens now I know. They just asked and the sheep stepped up to do it. Just like today. And we even have those slimy travellers to hate and blame and accuse. Just like the 30’s I guess. The big lie.

The one thing I am sure of is we suck as a country and have appointed outright incompetent crooked leaders. And will again. As I said months ago we’re no better than a cold large third world country in our “virus response” the USA IS VACCINATING close to 2 million people a day. We haven’t even been able to get 2 million total. I am old so I am not worried about my future. It’s my kid
‘S that I am concerned for

It is the rules but an obvious loophole. It’s a joke if you ask me

[CruiserNU]

It's looking more and more likely that "vaccination passports" will be required before indulging in air travel or crossing the border by land.

[Outlaw58]

Vaccination passport to "facilitate travel", I fully support. Required, with no alternate means of compliance? IMHO, that infringes on human rights.

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[PitchLink]

Lots already havent. I was right last fourth quarter and I bet we will see more go this spring-fall

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

It's looking more and more likely that "vaccination passports" will be required before indulging in air travel or crossing the border by land.

Proof of vaccination has long been required for travel to many countries, well before the Rona. I can't say for sure which ones, but I'm reasonably certain that anyone who's traveled to Africa may have some insight.

Implementing it at the Canada/US border would be unprecedented, though.

[goldeneagle]

Vaccination passport to "facilitate travel", I fully support. Required, with no alternate means of compliance? IMHO, that infringes on human rights.

Lots of countries have vaccination requirements for folks coming into the country, polio, tb, hepatitis etc. When I was a youngster, had to show vaccination records for entry into one of the European countries. Many of those requirements are waived today for Canadians because we all got them in school back in the day.

As a member of the military, I'm sure you did needles parade already in basic training. They lined us all up in Chilliwack about week 4 when I did it. We were all told it was to protect us in case we were sent to various strange places, but part of it was to ensure we met the vaccination requirements for entry into some of those places.

I fully expect that proof of vaccination will be an entry requirement for many countries around the world over the next 6 to 12 months.

[Outlaw58]

Vaccination passport to "facilitate travel", I fully support. Required, with no alternate means of compliance? IMHO, that infringes on human rights.

Lots of countries have vaccination requirements for folks coming into the country, polio, tb, hepatitis etc. When I was a youngster, had to show vaccination records for entry into one of the European countries. Many of those requirements are waived today for Canadians because we all got them in school back in the day.

As a member of the military, I'm sure you did needles parade already in basic training. They lined us all up in Chilliwack about week 4 when I did it. We were all told it was to protect us in case we were sent to various strange places, but part of it was to ensure we met the vaccination requirements for entry into some of those places.

I fully expect that proof of vaccination will be an entry requirement for many countries around the world over the next 6 to 12 months.

Mostly meant to enter and travel within Canada for Canadian citizens

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[Kejidog]

For all majority of people who think our government sucks and needs to do better; why did ya all vote liberal? I know i voted for anyone else but. Hopefully we can mobilize this feeling to theow these jokers out. Make it a repeat of 1984 reduce them to a shadow of their former selves. But I don’t believe that will happen because canadians are suckers for a lie.

One thing i do know is that the parliment of Britain sat all through the second world war under the threat of bombs. What did our “leaders” do. Hid like cowards. And the press jerked each other off telling us how they are doing a “good job”. We used to be leaders in vaccination research and medical science. Not since 1950 have we been a world power in ANYTHING.

I know of at least 3 or 4 businesses that have closed up in Nova Scotia without even looking hard. But that’s the way these assholes want it. Everyone dependent on the government’s tit. Paid by our children and their children. I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy!

Wake up and smell the welfare lines everyone. Thank christ i am Finincially independent.

[Longtimer]

Re Vaccination passport, this goes back to the days when we all carried that type of document when travelling outside of Canada. Nothing wrong with the concept.

[CruiserNU]

Certain US politicians now pushing to have the land border fully opened by July 4. Canada saying that's too early. An opening later than early August will be the death knell for tourism operators in this country, I imagine.

[GRK2]

For all majority of people who think our government sucks and needs to do better; why did ya all vote liberal? I know i voted for anyone else but. Hopefully we can mobilize this feeling to theow these jokers out. Make it a repeat of 1984 reduce them to a shadow of their former selves. But I don’t believe that will happen because canadians are suckers for a lie.

One thing i do know is that the parliment of Britain sat all through the second world war under the threat of bombs. What did our “leaders” do. Hid like cowards. And the press jerked each other off telling us how they are doing a “good job”. We used to be leaders in vaccination research and medical science. Not since 1950 have we been a world power in ANYTHING.

I know of at least 3 or 4 businesses that have closed up in Nova Scotia without even looking hard. But that’s the way these assholes want it. Everyone dependent on the government’s tit. Paid by our children and their children. I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy!

Wake up and smell the welfare lines everyone. Thank christ i am Finincially independent.

Wow, crazy...what the hell does your mostly incoherent anti government and mostly non sensical BS have to do with the possibility of having to show proof of an inoculation in order to travel? Take your vitriol and find a site that caters to your opinions. This is an aviation (well mostly) site.

Mods, you have to do better to ensure this non aviation anti govt. drivel is moderated. It was entertaining for about ten minutes and now it's driving people away.

[Blowin' In The Wind]

For all majority of people who think our government sucks and needs to do better; why did ya all vote liberal? I know i voted for anyone else but. Hopefully we can mobilize this feeling to theow these jokers out. Make it a repeat of 1984 reduce them to a shadow of their former selves. But I don’t believe that will happen because canadians are suckers for a lie.

One thing i do know is that the parliment of Britain sat all through the second world war under the threat of bombs. What did our “leaders” do. Hid like cowards. And the press jerked each other off telling us how they are doing a “good job”. We used to be leaders in vaccination research and medical science. Not since 1950 have we been a world power in ANYTHING.

I know of at least 3 or 4 businesses that have closed up in Nova Scotia without even looking hard. But that’s the way these assholes want it. Everyone dependent on the government’s tit. Paid by our children and their children. I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy!

Wake up and smell the welfare lines everyone. Thank christ i am Finincially independent.

Wow, crazy...what the hell does your mostly incoherent anti government and mostly non sensical BS have to do with the possibility of having to show proof of an inoculation in order to travel? Take your vitriol and find a site that caters to your opinions. This is an aviation (well mostly) site.

Mods, you have to do better to ensure this non aviation anti govt. drivel is moderated. It was entertaining for about ten minutes and now it's driving people away.

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[PitchLink]

For all majority of people who think our government sucks and needs to do better; why did ya all vote liberal? I know i voted for anyone else but. Hopefully we can mobilize this feeling to theow these jokers out. Make it a repeat of 1984 reduce them to a shadow of their former selves. But I don’t believe that will happen because canadians are suckers for a lie.

One thing i do know is that the parliment of Britain sat all through the second world war under the threat of bombs. What did our “leaders” do. Hid like cowards. And the press jerked each other off telling us how they are doing a “good job”. We used to be leaders in vaccination research and medical science. Not since 1950 have we been a world power in ANYTHING.

I know of at least 3 or 4 businesses that have closed up in Nova Scotia without even looking hard. But that’s the way these assholes want it. Everyone dependent on the government’s tit. Paid by our children and their children. I remember asshat’s dad and the bills that were due during my youth and lost opportunities because of it. Now we owe over 1 TRILLION DOLLARS! Tell your kids and grandkids we voted for a virtue signaling blackface wearing minstrel. But he was so dreamy!

Wake up and smell the welfare lines everyone. Thank christ i am Finincially independent.

Wow, crazy...what the hell does your mostly incoherent anti government and mostly non sensical BS have to do with the possibility of having to show proof of an inoculation in order to travel? Take your vitriol and find a site that caters to your opinions. This is an aviation (well mostly) site.

Mods, you have to do better to ensure this non aviation anti govt. drivel is moderated. It was entertaining for about ten minutes and now it's driving people away.

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[CruiserNU]

JT now hinting that the land border may remain closed until September "or later".