Pre-departure COVID-19 testing and negative results to be required for all air travelers coming to Canada

[Inverted2]

I'm sorry, you lost me at "Trudoper".

Second from right. He comes in many disguises.

[fliter]

I wonder about the legality of all this...

If a Canadian citizen travels for whatever reason and they test positive they are denied entry back to their home country. I can see foreigners told no - but citizens? Is this not some kind of charter violation?

Sort of. You're not being denied entry, your entry is delayed until you have a negative result. That's an important distinction.

Umm, this can apply to anything. Introduce any random requirement, including completely impossible, and claim your entry is merely "delayed" until you meet this requirement. E.g., your entry is delayed until you turn 65. Your entry is delayed until you show proof of $15,000 in your bank account. Your entry is delayed until sign an oath of lifelong allegiance to the political party in power.

[GRK2]

"Trudoper would prefer to let terrorists into our country over those deadly asymptomatic gramma killers who might have the ‘Rona."

Can you actually tell us how many? I can...get your racist ass off the site.

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

I wonder about the legality of all this...

If a Canadian citizen travels for whatever reason and they test positive they are denied entry back to their home country. I can see foreigners told no - but citizens? Is this not some kind of charter violation?

Sort of. You're not being denied entry, your entry is delayed until you have a negative result. That's an important distinction.

Umm, this can apply to anything. Introduce any random requirement, including completely impossible, and claim your entry is merely "delayed" until you meet this requirement. E.g., your entry is delayed until you turn 65. Your entry is delayed until you show proof of $15,000 in your bank account. Your entry is delayed until sign an oath of lifelong allegiance to the political party in power.

They will also deny boarding until I remove a knife from my pocket and surrender it, but nobody argues that. I don't know either way where it becomes unconstitutional, but that's why we have constitutional lawyers. It's not black and white.

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

I'm sorry, you lost me at "Trudoper".

Second from right. He comes in many disguises.

Ah. Because he wore blackface, he therefore allows terrorists into the country and has mismanaged the pandemic response. Makes perfect sense now.

['97 Tercel]

But it does show his appalling level of judgment ability.

I'm just not sure if he's more dumb than arrogant, or more arrogant than dumb...

oh well

[Eric Janson]

I wonder about the legality of all this...

If a Canadian citizen travels for whatever reason and they test positive they are denied entry back to their home country. I can see foreigners told no - but citizens? Is this not some kind of charter violation? We have to quarantine when we come back anyway - so where is the justification for denying citizens travel?

Because of this - I see Westjet just let go another 1000 people.


The insanity of all this knows no bounds

Nothing illegal about this scenario.

An individual with an infectious disease is denied travel. They are treated at destination and simply travel home when cured. They are not denied entry - they are denied travel.

You can't allow infectious people to travel - I would think the reasons would be obvious. I'm pretty sure there are ICAO agreements in place to cover this.

It's completely separate from quarantine which is done to ensure you weren't exposed just prior or just after a PCR test. You need to look at a PCR test as a snapshot of your health. You can still develop symptoms - hence the quarantine.

[PitchLink]

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-cana ... De6VK3QHEg

The Minister of Transport, the Honourable Marc Garneau, is requiring that, effective January 7, 2021, at 12:01 a.m. EST, all air passengers five years of age or older will be required to test negative for COVID-19 before travelling from another country to Canada. This implementation date provides all airlines, both foreign and domestic, adequate time to comply with the new requirements.

Documentation of a negative laboratory test result must be presented to the airline prior to boarding a flight to Canada. The test must be performed using a COVID-19 molecular polymerase chain reaction (or PCR) test and must be taken within 72 hours prior to the traveller’s scheduled departure to Canada.

Anyone who receives a negative test result and is authorized to enter Canada must still complete the full, mandatory 14-day quarantine.

So this is supposed to help airlines? NOPE. It’s their attempt at controlling non essential travel I suspect. You can transmit this disease within 72 hours of a test.... just saying!

[Rooster69]

Presumed guilty until proven innocent.


Hear is a bit of info for you: Covid is already here.

Not letting Canadian citizens back into Canada until they produce a piece of paper saying they are Covid negative is wrong. Period.

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

Presumed guilty until proven innocent.


Hear is a bit of info for you: Covid is already here.

Not letting Canadian citizens back into Canada until they produce a piece of paper saying they are Covid negative is wrong. Period.

Oh I agree, for the most part.

I'm arguing that it's not a charter violation, not that it's not immoral.

[airway]

Band-aid solution. Like a person who received a negative test couldn't catch the virus during the 72 hours after the fact.... not to mention that the PCR test seemingly coughs up (pardon the pun) more false positives than actual ones....

If he wanted to be serious about it, he'd pull a New Zealand and fully close the borders for X amount of time, full stop.

There are far more false negatives than false positives.


"What about accuracy? The rate of false negatives — a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — varies depending on how long infection has been present: in one study, the false-negative rate was 20% when testing was performed five days after symptoms began, but much higher (up to 100%) earlier in infection.

The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/whi ... 0081020734




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[JasonE]

I don't believe they can legally refuse a citizen entry even if covid positive. They can however force a quarantine prior to entry. So if you force the issue and show up perhaps you may not like your quarantine conditions.

[stopsquawk]

Has anyone travelled across the border since this rule came into effect? I will be travelling across the border as a Flight Crew Member and deadheading back and I'm curious how they have handled FCMs (as they are in theory exempt).

Has anyone had any direct experience or can point to a printed exemption to the testing rules for FCM's? I am travelling down to SIM training in 10 days and would like to see something in print whether or not I would be exempt on the return. So far, the only applicable exemption statement I can find is "air crew members or a person who seeks to enter Canada only to become such a crew member". That statement wouldn't apply to a FCM returning from training.

[Inverted2]

Has anyone travelled across the border since this rule came into effect? I will be travelling across the border as a Flight Crew Member and deadheading back and I'm curious how they have handled FCMs (as they are in theory exempt).

Has anyone had any direct experience or can point to a printed exemption to the testing rules for FCM's? I am travelling down to SIM training in 10 days and would like to see something in print whether or not I would be exempt on the return. So far, the only applicable exemption statement I can find is "air crew members or a person who seeks to enter Canada only to become such a crew member". That statement wouldn't apply to a FCM returning from training.

Your company who is sending you down for training should provide you with a letter....

[stopsquawk]

Reference please?

[confusedalot]

umm......

the government types are in panic mode and are thinking like panicked persons. The panic is a result of attempting to get the virus numbers down at all cost. the number is their sole tunnel vision focus.

they could not care less about the big picture, because they can't. they are in panic mode.

and this is the result.

[Squaretail]

Not sure if this will be useful or helpful to some, but just crossed the border as 702 aircrew and was exempt from the testing requirement. The current online information for this whole thing wasn't especially clear and notably some of the pages changed on a daily basis. Got tested stateside a couple of times, and a bit of panic, since getting results within 72 hours of a test was difficult. If you are declared as "essential" you are good to go. That said, was also pretty much quarantined for the entire operational stay, hotel to airplane and back is like old days of doing camp work with a slightly better room, but generally worse food. Since it seems like a lot of people can be declared exempt - anyone travelling corporately is also exempt, its really an effort to keep the plebs from travelling, unless of course someone needs them to work.

[garfield]

So if I own a private jet, I don't have to quarantine when I come back from Vegas/Cancun or Miami?!?!?!

[Cessna 180]

There is no requirement to be tested or quarantine if you're a crew on an airplane, whether that's a Boeing 787 or a Cessna 172. CBSA may try to argue with you, but the OIC is pretty clear that a "crew member" as defined in the CARs is exempt.