IFR approach plates online? (Castlegar, BC)

apple_jacks · Post by **apple_jacks** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:02 pm

Does anyone know when WAAS approches into Castlegar will be published? Curious what effects it will have on minima.

scubasteve · Post by **scubasteve** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:12 pm

Was on a dash 8 from vancouver to cranhole last week and after depositing $60 worth of toiletry items into the security guys bonus bag (another rant) we were told that we were taking off but might have to return to YVR due to weather (low ceiling), I overheard a discussion about the cranbrook airport expansion. They said something along the lines of "if they're improving the airport you'd think they'd make it so you can land there" I guess they dont understand that an airport at a higher elevation in the mountains with low clouds is not an easy place to land.

LastSamurai · Post by **LastSamurai** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:07 am

CYCG is where a contact approach really comes in handy. A lot of days if you see a whole over the arrow lakes it is easier to cancel ifr and come in over the water. Check the weather though you don't want to run into low ceilings at the airport.

So what about CAR 602.124: "The aircraft shall be flown at an altitude of at least 1000 ft above the highest obstacle located within a horizontal radius of 5 NM from the estimated position of the aircraft in flight until the required visual reference is acquired..."

Contact approach wouldn't work here because of the CAR. Contact approaches are more suited for the flatlands than mountain flying.

LS

Carrier · Post by **Carrier** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:12 am

Nobody has answered part of the original request. The Castlegar plate has been posted here by scanning (thanks 200hr Wonder) but it would be very useful if someone would post a link to where all of the Canadian plates may be obtained. Are Canadian plates available on-line? The US and UK plates are all available free on-line. Surely Canada has done the same? If so, where may they be obtained? Thanks for any info.

lilfssister · Post by **lilfssister** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:41 am

Not 100% positive, but I THINK I saw something amongst the reams of paper and e-mail I see at work that sometime in 2007 all Navcan aeronautical publications will be available in electronic form. Whether that means available to buy online or free to download, I'm not sure.

55+ · Post by **55+** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:48 am

Carrier wrote:Nobody has answered part of the original request. The Castlegar plate has been posted here by scanning (thanks 200hr Wonder) but it would be very useful if someone would post a link to where all of the Canadian plates may be obtained. Are Canadian plates available on-line? The US and UK plates are all available free on-line. Surely Canada has done the same? If so, where may they be obtained? Thanks for any info.

I understand Nav Canada will take over all production (CAP, CFS, Enroute, VFR Charts etc) from Natural Resources Canada in 2007. They (NC) are in the process of introducing a complete new production system based on what is currently used in Europe and all products are to be available digitally. My sources tell me there will be quite training and beta testing involved and are looking to complete be end of 2007 as they (NC) will be out of the NRCan contract by 2007. It is quite an ambitious plan and knowing how NC operates when resourcing new software and training well........ however it will happen. At this time the method of dissemination and costing, I can't comment on. It wouldn't surprise me if things were moved back to 2008 but the process and plan is unfolding as we speak. Hope this is of some assistance and if you feel strongly about this issue, contact NC customer relations

nimbostratus · Post by **nimbostratus** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:16 am

No one has mentioned it here, but a large danger in Castlegar happens when the temperature hits about -14C. That's when, following the Localizer or NDB C approach, you can run into real trouble if you don't temperature correct (remember that page in Cap Gen?). Both approaches let you down to 5900 feet within 12.2 nms of the Castlegar beacon. The approach path brings you right over a mountain top with a peak of 5470'.
On a warm day that gives you 430' of clearance. It doesn't take much when the altimeter source is still almost 4000' below you to park you next to one of Navairs Navajos on top of that same mountain.

Most Canadian pilots I've met know about the chart, the poor Net Jets/Flex Jet guys have no clue. Apparently cold temperature correction is "low priority" in flight schools down there. I have recently noticed it highlighted at both Simuflite and FlightSafety but usually only on "optional" EGPWS courses.

That said, I've been into CYCG and CYXT in all kinds of weather but still get worse heebie jeebies circling into Penticton or Kamloops on a moonless night...

Nimbo

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:47 am

SRV wrote:Anyone remember the old "company only" plate that had minimums of 1600'+- and a MAP 2DME past the the airport southbound?

How about when PWA would come down the valley over town and all you could see was the top of the plane as it passed by the airport downwind for 33!!!

Yep. BTDT. Lots of fun and lots of pucker factor!