Restarts- Airlines

[co-joe]

Last month, Sunwing brought 40 pilots in to catch up some of the training backlog. All captains, just to clear the sim sessions and PPC that have gone by since they last flew. They are all back on furlough now, but at least they can hit the ground running in the fall when sun and fun flying resumes. It's nice to see they won't be caught completely flat footed if demand returns sooner.

[grimreaper70]

Fingers crossed we get a quick rebound!

[DHC-1 Jockey]

I was mistaken about the Sunwing numbers. Yesterday, more of our pilots got layoff notices, so I guess some were still active. Now, there's only 6 pilots actively flying, whose seniority goes back to the day Sunwing started operations back in 2005.

[boeingboy]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

[fish4life]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I really hope you mean in Europe and not here

[boeingboy]

In Europe?

No....they are here out of YUL and YVR

[goldeneagle]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I really hope you mean in Europe and not here

They are bringing in the farm workers that do jobs Canadians wont take. It's not TFW flying the airplanes

[fish4life]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I really hope you mean in Europe and not here

They are bringing in the farm workers that do jobs Canadians wont take. It's not TFW flying the airplanes

Ah ok, sorry but with sunwing’s history of using TFW pilots you could understand my confusion.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I used a bad choice of words. After the layoffs take effect in a few weeks, Sunwing will only have 6 active pilots.

[boeingboy]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I used a bad choice of words. After the layoffs take effect in a few weeks, Sunwing will only have 6 active pilots.

Well - That was short lived!

Most if not all are now being recalled.

[vrefplus5]

Has a deal been made with SWG management for the recalls?

[ant_321]

We still have TFW flights till the end if the month. There has to be more than 6 active right now

I used a bad choice of words. After the layoffs take effect in a few weeks, Sunwing will only have 6 active pilots.

Well - That was short lived!

Most if not all are now being recalled.

Did I miss a memo?

[boeingboy]

I used a bad choice of words. After the layoffs take effect in a few weeks, Sunwing will only have 6 active pilots.

Well - That was short lived!

Most if not all are now being recalled.

Did I miss a memo?

Maybe.

Short limited summer program down south for july and Aug. TFW's start home in Sept and restart in Oct.

[boeingboy]

Sorry..now I may have used a bad choice of words. When I said most if not all....I was referring to the ones who were just laid off again. Not all pilots are recalled yet, but it shouldn't be too long. We are slowly turning engines again

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Sorry..now I may have used a bad choice of words. When I said most if not all....I was referring to the ones who were just laid off again. Not all pilots are recalled yet, but it shouldn't be too long. We are slowly turning engines again

So in reality, we’re back to 30 or 40 active pilots?

Until this proposed training LOU is presented, I’m still holding my breath. To recall everyone will be a massive undertaking for the training department, which I don’t see being completed before the winter program.

In AC’s presentation to their furloughed pilots just this week, the VP FLT OPS doesn’t see full recalls until 2023, so I wonder if SWG pilots are in the same boat.

[fixnfly]

Sorry..now I may have used a bad choice of words. When I said most if not all....I was referring to the ones who were just laid off again. Not all pilots are recalled yet, but it shouldn't be too long. We are slowly turning engines again

In AC’s presentation to their furloughed pilots just this week, the VP FLT OPS doesn’t see full recalls until 2023, so I wonder if SWG pilots are in the same boat.

I kind of have doubts about that. The US majors already recalled all of their pilots and have resumed hiring, so how can Big Red not finish recalls for another 1.5-2 years? I don't think we're lagging that far behind the states. I wonder how their VP FLT OPS came up with that dismal prediction.

[boeingboy]

Sorry..now I may have used a bad choice of words. When I said most if not all....I was referring to the ones who were just laid off again. Not all pilots are recalled yet, but it shouldn't be too long. We are slowly turning engines again

So in reality, we’re back to 30 or 40 active pilots?

Until this proposed training LOU is presented, I’m still holding my breath. To recall everyone will be a massive undertaking for the training department, which I don’t see being completed before the winter program.

In AC’s presentation to their furloughed pilots just this week, the VP FLT OPS doesn’t see full recalls until 2023, so I wonder if SWG pilots are in the same boat.

Your really going to compare us to AC? Not the same.

Your right though - to get everyone recalled and trained is going to be a big job, but with the entire owned fleet coming back on line and the maintenance department already starting the process for importing 17 hulls....it's not as many as a normal season - but it's not far off either. Maybe some will have to wait for next winter - but the majority of us will be back soon. Of course the new duty regs are throwing a wrench in things so maybe we all will be back.

I'm not totally sold on the new on board crew rest though...we shall see.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Sorry..now I may have used a bad choice of words. When I said most if not all....I was referring to the ones who were just laid off again. Not all pilots are recalled yet, but it shouldn't be too long. We are slowly turning engines again

So in reality, we’re back to 30 or 40 active pilots?

Until this proposed training LOU is presented, I’m still holding my breath. To recall everyone will be a massive undertaking for the training department, which I don’t see being completed before the winter program.

In AC’s presentation to their furloughed pilots just this week, the VP FLT OPS doesn’t see full recalls until 2023, so I wonder if SWG pilots are in the same boat.

Your really going to compare us to AC? Not the same.

Your right though - to get everyone recalled and trained is going to be a big job, but with the entire owned fleet coming back on line and the maintenance department already starting the process for importing 17 hulls....it's not as many as a normal season - but it's not far off either. Maybe some will have to wait for next winter - but the majority of us will be back soon. Of course the new duty regs are throwing a wrench in things so maybe we all will be back.

I'm not totally sold on the new on board crew rest though...we shall see.

25 tails for the winter is only 60% of their recent winter capacity, but that's still a good number considering where they're at today.

[boeingboy]

25?

16 + 17 = 33 tails

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

25?

16 + 17 = 33 tails

I could have sworn that they only owned eight tails, but it goes to show how much I know.

Looking at the numbers here... turns out I forgot about the MAXs. I left a few years before those came online.