First flight on Flair

[evilgravy]

this is a result of flights being loaded in to the reservation system and then being pulled. No operating flights have been canceled for today (yet).

Yea - because they didn't sell enough seats to make it worthwhile to operate.

lol - no. these are generally planned/input and cancelled long before they are available for sale.

[C-GGGQ]

this is a result of flights being loaded in to the reservation system and then being pulled. No operating flights have been canceled for today (yet).

Yea - because they didn't sell enough seats to make it worthwhile to operate.

lol - no. these are generally planned/input and cancelled long before they are available for sale.

If thats the case then you need the IT department to fix the website so it doesn’t look like an apocalypse.

[acpaleaks]

Sounds like a lot of poor excuses and justification going on.

[GRK2]

You guys are hilarious! The sad thing about this is your obvious wish to see a needed expansion fail. Flair has put, or is about to put several hundreds of your pilot (if you are indeed pilots) and cabin crew colleagues either back to work or allowed current employees to further a career, and all you clowns can do is vomit your immature disdain out on them. You are now officially part of what makes aviation in Canada look so ridiculous at times. No support for the workers from you types, you're shallow and petty you look like the spoiled little brats you so frequently chastise on this site. Well played.

[acpaleaks]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

Why so angry? Not everyone is as "lucky" as you are to be hired by Air Canada.

But, with that said, these people are making a living while you are on the street.

[acpaleaks]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

Why so angry? Not everyone is as "lucky" as you are to be hired by Air Canada.

But, with that said, these people are making a living while you are on the street.

I'll make it back ten fold. Don't worry about me, plus I'm making more now than I ever did flying.

Ps, it's also not luck. That's what people say who got PFOd to justify to themselves why they didn't get the job.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

Why so angry? Not everyone is as "lucky" as you are to be hired by Air Canada.

But, with that said, these people are making a living while you are on the street.

I'll make it back ten fold. Don't worry about me, plus I'm making more now than I ever did flying.

Ps, it's also not luck. That's what people say who got PFOd to justify to themselves why they didn't get the job.

I think most of us who were laid off due to COVID have made more during COVID than ever before.

[GRK2]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

I guess you missed that part where over 1000 applied to work there when Flair last opened the job portal. Oh and by the way? Your witty response is getting smelly. It's always easier to criticise when you know jack about what really happens. You enjoy your ACPA reductions and the steady decline in your "WAWCON" and let the Flair bunch have waaaay more fun at what seems to be a pretty fun place to grow. Up is better than down...remember that. Oh yeah, screens...every has them now. Try again.

[pelmet]

You guys are hilarious! The sad thing about this is your obvious wish to see a needed expansion fail. Flair has put, or is about to put several hundreds of your pilot (if you are indeed pilots) and cabin crew colleagues either back to work or allowed current employees to further a career, and all you clowns can do is vomit your immature disdain out on them. You are now officially part of what makes aviation in Canada look so ridiculous at times. No support for the workers from you types, you're shallow and petty you look like the spoiled little brats you so frequently chastise on this site. Well played.

Well seeing as you didn't specify who you were throwing your insults at, I will suspect that there is a possibility that I am on your list(especially after accusing me of being a fool for not providing evidence for something when I clearly provided evidence - which makes you look like the fool).

First of all, I already stated earlier that I would fly on them again. All I did was ask about all the cancellations on their website and make a suggestion that they consider removing it as it might be beneficial for them selling more tickets. Why you seem to be so emotionally involved is weird to begin with for someone who posts as if not working there(so I suspect there is more to the story) but the bottom line is more like....you are being shallow and petty(or just losing it) .

[acpaleaks]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

I guess you missed that part where over 1000 applied to work there when Flair last opened the job portal..

And that makes it a good place to work? Ok well maybe it is a good place to work but that doesn't change the fact they're lowering the bar. That just tells me we don't have a lot of options in this country. Doesn't mean we should all be praising a ulcc for starting up and paying 30% less than other 737 operators. But you do you. Justification is the road to mediocrity.

[GRK2]

You guys are hilarious! The sad thing about this is your obvious wish to see a needed expansion fail. Flair has put, or is about to put several hundreds of your pilot (if you are indeed pilots) and cabin crew colleagues either back to work or allowed current employees to further a career, and all you clowns can do is vomit your immature disdain out on them. You are now officially part of what makes aviation in Canada look so ridiculous at times. No support for the workers from you types, you're shallow and petty you look like the spoiled little brats you so frequently chastise on this site. Well played.

Well seeing as you didn't specify who you were throwing your insults at, I will suspect that there is a possibility that I am on your list(especially after accusing me of being a fool for not providing evidence for something when I clearly provided evidence - which makes you look like the fool).

First of all, I already stated earlier that I would fly on them again. All I did was ask about all the cancellations on their website and make a suggestion that they consider removing it as it might be beneficial for them selling more tickets. Why you seem to be so emotionally involved is weird to begin with for someone who posts as if not working there(so I suspect there is more to the story) but the bottom line is more like....you are being shallow and petty(or just losing it) .

Ok Pelmet, you can be special. Fly on whoever you feel gives you the best deal.

[Tbayer2021]

Hey if you want to go fly a 737 Max around for half price be my guest.

More competition isn't always better especially when they lower the bar by like $100/hr.

$176 top rate. Laughable. But enjoy your fancy screens.

I guess you missed that part where over 1000 applied to work there when Flair last opened the job portal..

And that makes it a good place to work? Ok well maybe it is a good place to work but that doesn't change the fact they're lowering the bar. That just tells me we don't have a lot of options in this country. Doesn't mean we should all be praising a ulcc for starting up and paying 30% less than other 737 operators. But you do you. Justification is the road to mediocrity.

I guess we should all be looking at AC pilots for guidance on how to properly lower the bar. What are you guys calling it these days, "capture flying"?

[acpaleaks]

I guess you missed that part where over 1000 applied to work there when Flair last opened the job portal..

And that makes it a good place to work? Ok well maybe it is a good place to work but that doesn't change the fact they're lowering the bar. That just tells me we don't have a lot of options in this country. Doesn't mean we should all be praising a ulcc for starting up and paying 30% less than other 737 operators. But you do you. Justification is the road to mediocrity.

I guess we should all be looking at AC pilots for guidance on how to properly lower the bar. What are you guys calling it these days, "capture flying"?

You're preaching to the choir bud. Dunno if you've noticed that 80%+ of my posts are criticizing ACPA.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

And that makes it a good place to work? Ok well maybe it is a good place to work but that doesn't change the fact they're lowering the bar. That just tells me we don't have a lot of options in this country. Doesn't mean we should all be praising a ulcc for starting up and paying 30% less than other 737 operators. But you do you. Justification is the road to mediocrity.

I guess we should all be looking at AC pilots for guidance on how to properly lower the bar. What are you guys calling it these days, "capture flying"?

You're preaching to the choir bud. Dunno if you've noticed that 80%+ of my posts are criticizing ACPA.

The other 20% are calling me out for my bullshit.

Your last one hit hard and made me think twice about what I'm posting. Thank you for that. (serious)

[Tbayer2021]

And that makes it a good place to work? Ok well maybe it is a good place to work but that doesn't change the fact they're lowering the bar. That just tells me we don't have a lot of options in this country. Doesn't mean we should all be praising a ulcc for starting up and paying 30% less than other 737 operators. But you do you. Justification is the road to mediocrity.

I guess we should all be looking at AC pilots for guidance on how to properly lower the bar. What are you guys calling it these days, "capture flying"?

You're preaching to the choir bud. Dunno if you've noticed that 80%+ of my posts are criticizing ACPA.

Hadn't bothered to look through your post history, but ok. I just don't get what your point is, shitting on others for having a job you clearly consider beneath you. The reality is that AC wont hire every single pilot out there. Even some of the ones they do hire, makes you scratch your head. I mean, they hired that Keith kid that was selling mentorship lessons here a few years ago. So some will have to work jobs that pay less and/or have less benefits than yours. Should those other jobs ideally pay more? Sure, but I wouldn't be so quick to preach when AC's WAWCON has been on a steady downhill for the last 2 decades with no sign of stopping.

But I guess part of me understands. After all, you guys get looked down upon in the world stage when you show up to Athens without relief crew, and the Captain doesn't even get paid as much as the FO of American/Asian carriers.

[acpaleaks]

I guess we should all be looking at AC pilots for guidance on how to properly lower the bar. What are you guys calling it these days, "capture flying"?

You're preaching to the choir bud. Dunno if you've noticed that 80%+ of my posts are criticizing ACPA.

But I guess part of me understands. After all, you guys get looked down upon in the world stage when you show up to Athens without relief crew, and the Captain doesn't even get paid as much as the FO of American/Asian carriers.

Or in Shanghai when the United crew hears were on a 22 hour layover with only 3 pilots.

[Montroyal]

You're preaching to the choir bud. Dunno if you've noticed that 80%+ of my posts are criticizing ACPA.

But I guess part of me understands. After all, you guys get looked down upon in the world stage when you show up to Athens without relief crew, and the Captain doesn't even get paid as much as the FO of American/Asian carriers.

Or in Shanghai when the United crew hears were on a 22 hour layover with only 3 pilots.

I'd say Hong Kong too but you won't be finding any American crews there. Something about crew safety and not wanting to end up in a Chinese quarantine facility. But Canadian pilots don't seem worried. We like to "capture" flying at all costs.

[pelmet]

Got another two flights booked on them. This time on a longer flight.

Didn't take a bundle package. Are they going to nail me if I bring two carry-ons?

[flying4dollars]

Got another two flights booked on them. This time on a longer flight.

Didn't take a bundle package. Are they going to nail me if I bring two carry-ons?

The fees are outlined on the website. If you purchase online during booking, carry-ons are $39-59. If you do it at check in or boarding gate, it's $59-79.

Personal items are free.

[pelmet]

Got another two flights booked on them. This time on a longer flight.

Didn't take a bundle package. Are they going to nail me if I bring two carry-ons?

The fees are outlined on the website. If you purchase online during booking, carry-ons are $39-59. If you do it at check in or boarding gate, it's $59-79.

Personal items are free.

Thanks,

What would be considered personal items?

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Got another two flights booked on them. This time on a longer flight.

Didn't take a bundle package. Are they going to nail me if I bring two carry-ons?

The fees are outlined on the website. If you purchase online during booking, carry-ons are $39-59. If you do it at check in or boarding gate, it's $59-79.

Personal items are free.

Thanks,

What would be considered personal items?

https://flyflair.com/travel-info/baggag ... e-and-fees

Best to look at their official information as to not get screwed by one of us.

[pelmet]

The fees are outlined on the website. If you purchase online during booking, carry-ons are $39-59. If you do it at check in or boarding gate, it's $59-79.

Personal items are free.

Thanks,

What would be considered personal items?

https://flyflair.com/travel-info/baggag ... e-and-fees

Best to look at their official information as to not get screwed by one of us.

Thanks....personal items up to 7kg. That is free. Basic Bundle is $51, with no $39 option for this flight. Maybe on shorter flights.

[flying4dollars]

Thanks....personal items up to 7kg. That is free. Basic Bundle is $51, with no $39 option for this flight. Maybe on shorter flights.

Yeah I think the price range is based on the length of the sector.

[pelmet]

Did my two flights recently. These were return flights after using AC on the way out.

I am avoiding WJ for now after reading about their cancelling of flights that are not too full. I am not interested in a re-booked flight the next day or many hours later resulting in missed connections and therefore missed plans(turned out to be a good plan as my overnight flight last month with AC had a WJ/Swoop cancellation for their competing overnight flight……apparently the second night in a row they cancelled).

For this Flair day, I had one long flight connecting to one short flight with an hour in between flights. Was surprised that I had to buy two separate flights unlike AC where they have less than 1 hour connection times. This means more time making bookings.

The long flight was about half the AC price for the same day(but not super cheap as Flair seems to do the typical airline thing of raising prices as seats get sold). The short flight was super cheap compared to AC. As you might imagine, the long flight was fairly full while the short flight(which appears to be a new flight) was nearly empty.

Booking is easy. Bought one of the bundle packages(the payment for carry-on/check-in baggage depending on the type of bundle you purchase) after making my booking which was easy to do. A friend was also on the flight with a check-in bag. I think that you can't buy a bundle within 24 hours of departure as I tried that for my friend and could not get it done(pay more at check-in is the result). I didn’t buy a bundle for my connecting flight as I figured the probability of a Misconnect was high. It turned out I made the flight, and seeing as I already had a carry-on tag from my previous flight, my carry-on was accepted in the connecting flight. Oh well, I consider this a through flight anyways with one purchase for carry-on.

But this part of the experience was annoying……I accidentally pushed yes instead of no for COVID symptoms while checking in online. Then I could not change my answer. So I called the phone line to get help. 45 minute wait.

I tend to think of AC as the more reliable airline for flights but I was really glad that I took Flair for the long flight as the AC flight at the same time was cancelled and their next one was delayed, meaning I would have missed my connecting flight.

Was lucky to get a row to myself as a group of three didn't show up right opposite to my seat(and there was a noisy kid in front of my original seat anyways). The long flight departed late by about 20 minutes but arrived on time. 737 Max. Seats don't recline which is annoying. No food or water given on Flair, so bring your own. AC has started food sales again.

One nice thing about Flair is that their lower service level means no TV screens in the seatback. Therefore, the person behind you should not be repeatedly poking at your seat hundreds of times searching for their entertainment(the screen works when touched gently folks).

Cabin crew were friendly and there was one Happy Birthday song for an FA but at least no annoying joking around PA's.

The short flight was about an hour late due to late arrival. Nice plane again. Moved to my own seat as 80% were open and was not happy with Flair giving me a middle seat squeezed between people in the middle of the fourth wave. I thought about that when they made a PA before departure saying that if I had any concerns, to let them know. Once again, no food or water. No problem on a short flight but they really should make a PA about this at the gate prior to boarding a long flight, so people can get water before boarding.

The service is less but I would fly again, especially with AC back to their highway robbery prices on much of their network.

Of course, we all know that if Flair becomes successful like WJ did, it will end up charging ticket prices in the same coordinated manner with increasing prices as ticket purchase date gets closer to departure date, penalizing people who want to fly on short notice(imagine if Walmart did that with holiday shopping). At that point it will be time for a new upstart to come on with reasonable prices.