THE NEXT GIGANTIC ISSUE.

[rookiepilot]

The scam of the century.

Here's the best post so far on this thread. Loaded with supporting data, too.

[Inverted2]

I will 1 up you with a V8 swap.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/38368/wor ... people-mad

[pelmet]

The scam of the century.

Here's the best post so far on this thread. Loaded with supporting data, too.

Actually, I was wrong. It is the scam of two centuries……..20th and 21st.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Best thing about electric cars is that all our houses are already wired to fill them up. No more pesky having to go out of the way and lining up at Costco for cheaper fuel. I can't wait!!

But our homes really are not ready for electric cars. Better upgrade your panel at home for the anticipated demands because once your neighborhood reaches capacity you will be SOL until hydro decides to upgrade some of the main lines.

Lots of homes with only 100 amp service, and with gadgets like AC, hot tubs etc... good luck charging your car with 240. On my street if we all plugged our cars at the same time on a summer day with AC going pretty sure we would all burn down.

[‘Bob’]

Good thing you can charge them at night.

[imjustlurking]

Good thing you can charge them at night.

Damn you and your logical responses!

[goldeneagle]

[ On my street if we all plugged our cars at the same time on a summer day with AC going pretty sure we would all burn down.

You must have some pretty shoddy electricians. Properly wired, breakers would pop long before houses burn down. Did you wire the house yourself ? That would probably explain your fear of burning it down.

I have a typical residential service to the house. We dont even use a fancy charger, just a level 1 unit that came with the car. It plugs into a standard 110v 15 amp plug, draws 12 amps, so kinda like plugging in a toaster. Granted, ours is not an all electric, it's a plug in hybrid, so it only takes a tad over 3 hours to charge typically, 4 and a bit if the battery is completely drained. Where I live it's a 15km drive to the grocery store and if the car is fully charged, can go back and forth with lots to spare on the battery, and it'll be all charged up in 3 hours, ready to do it again. For longer trips, about 55km from home the gas engine will fire up and then it's just a regular hybrid. Coming down Mt Washington is fun, start at the top with battery at zero, when we hit the lights where the parkway hits the hiway, battery will be at 100%, and we can go roughly 50km down the hiway before the gas engine starts again.

If we had a pure electric, I'd just put in the equivalent of a dryer plug for the car, can plug a level 2 unit into that. If you have an undersized feed to the house, no problem, put it on the same circuit as your clothes dryer, then program the car to only charge from midnite to 6am. Problem solved, unless you have sub-standard wiring, then yes, worry about the house burning down.

I have some friends in the big city that do drive an electric, ask them about charging at home and the answer is 'why would I do that?' They go to the shopping mall, they all have special parking spots for electric cars, very convenient and close to the door, complete with a level 2 charging station that's free to use. They park there and let the car top up while in grabbing groceries. Like me, they have the level 1 setup at home, can charge from a regular outside plug in a pinch, but they rarely need to.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

My point was most people are in 2 car homes, and 100 amp service is pretty common an it will take time to upgrade the infrastructure. We have had our transmission box fry once before. New ares won’t be the issue but if your home is 40 plus years old it’s something to check out.

If you call hydro to upgrade your service they do an assessment of your area and if the line can handle the service. If everyone on your street calls at the same time you won’t all qualify to upgrade. These things will take time.

[pdw]

Heating of a panel increases with current flow, so spreading usage out as needed keeps it in check. I also watch to make sure it is loaded up as evenly as possible, i.e. not all heavy 120 draws lined up one side of the fuse box.

My hydro admin mentioned being worried about having more than one bigger EV per street, even at night. What?

In the Mt Washington account the caliper rotors would stay cold too because it’s just enough rechargeable battery capacity to match all the braking requirement needed for that downhill trip, and the battery/charging rate per ‘stoppage horsepower’ is just right. That size/design system can fit to any panel with already so many innovations in household energy efficiency (lower KW consumption) going on these days in most homes.

When it comes to frying things up though, there’s definitely millions of brake rotors still getting hot. Who’s paying for all this carbon heat? Maybe less battery (light hybrid braking) is potentially the ticket for reducing that carbon-based loss if propagated on larger scale right now. Where there are lots of stops or hills are the places to deal out more cars that can do this.

On open rural/prairie, mostly highway, any low rpm ICE cruising will continue to be hard to beat, where larger/sleeker low-drag EV’s, sometimes a bit less efficient in low speed braking recapture, are also at top efficiency.

[The Mole]

The solution to the climate emergency is really simple. Don't be poor. China gets its, even if it means building hundreds of coal generating plants. Cheap energy = wealth. Western nations are on the path to extremely expensive energy. Ye be warned....

[pdw]

It’ll look more expensive because of the inflation for sure (op)

Are they doing the coal because it’s already an existing business that works? Employs a huge amount of people. They “get it” maybe that it’s worse to get rid of it too fast without having the replacement firmly in place. We have to keep our existing energy going as well so it doesn’t bite us when it’s gone a little too fast.

where is all that electricity going to come from?

no longer any from a less efficient alternator

Calculating the cost of extra gas consumed to make one kilowatt hour in the average rotorheater vehicle (ICE powered non-hybrid) via alternator (for electrics alone) is an awakening that starts to help to answer “where”. Is that one half to three quarters of a litre extra just for a KWH? (We now have 2KW alternators in some passenger pickups.)

The best hybrid types/applications (with effort of course) use up to 3 to 1 less gas over traditional cars ….although with some early hybrid vehicles it could be easy to show that is not so and sometimes only even. (Many early hybrids still had alternators though).

[Bug_Stomper_01]

It’ll look more expensive because of the inflation for sure (op)

Are they doing the coal because it’s already an existing business that works? Employs a huge amount of people. They “get it” maybe that it’s worse to get rid of it too fast without having the replacement firmly in place. We have to keep our existing energy going as well so it doesn’t bite us when it’s gone a little too fast.

Yes, however it seems north Americas governments prefer to turn off the taps and scramble around their narrative to ensure they maintain control of government BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE it would seem.

[pdw]

It should be evident at this point we’re ‘shooting ourselves in the foot’ financially if neglecting a reality that oil revenues and affordable oil (energy) are still responsible for so many pay checks and their reasonable purchase power.

If something better than oil is evolving into life on its own merit …it can be good, however not if some of this issue’s vital stepping stones are squandered in quests for political win at all costs. Any upright leadership would still have to be compelled to counter such trend regardless.

We might be fond of the idea to have the fully electric driven car, most people seem to get that already. Ok, we’re dreaming big, but now IMO we’re going to have to force ourselves to accept that developement in a suitable transition that allows more chances for everyone else to move along with it.

[rookiepilot]

The Next Gigantic issue: Food Prices.

Don’t tell me how high they already are.

Hasn’t even begun yet.

Because the fools are all calling climate change a scam (I was a sceptic for a long long time)

[sstaurus]

Anyone calling climate change a scam at this point, is just using it as a coping mechanism. It's a nice way to feel better about yourself, and being unwilling to change your lifestyle whatsoever.

I'll nominate the next gigantic issue; the USA seemingly being on a course to civil war and a backsliding of their own democracy.

[rookiepilot]

Anyone calling climate change a scam at this point, is just using it as a coping mechanism. It's a nice way to feel better about yourself, and being unwilling to change your lifestyle whatsoever.

I'll nominate the next gigantic issue; the USA seemingly being on a course to civil war and a backsliding of their own democracy.

I would not bet against this at some point. Sadly, scarily.

America has a defacto long term caste system in place. Loads of evidence. Systemic racism. They have it, by in large, Canada does not. Their social stability is massively overrated.

Pelosi’s comments about Congressional stock trading?

Let them eat cake.

[Inverted2]

USA civil war is possible. Not in the immediate term though. My prediction is after the Olympics China will invade Taiwan and Russia will invade Ukraine.

The Chinese have sent North America Covid, Fentanyl, interfered in elections, manipulated the media, own half of our natural resource companies and most of B.C. real estate.... etc.

They’re just weakening western societies by a million cuts till they’re weakened so much they can practically March in. Think about it. Canada has a handful of 40+ year old F-18s. That’s it. They are more concerned about sexual harassment allegations and gender issues than building a strong military. Xi is laughing.

[rookiepilot]

USA civil war is possible. Not in the immediate term though. My prediction is after the Olympics China will invade Taiwan and Russia will invade Ukraine.

#2 for sure, possibly both with hardly a shot fired.

[JasonE]

and I thought fresh water was the next gigantic issue.....Guess it is all a matter of perspective.

[rookiepilot]

and I thought fresh water was the next gigantic issue.....Guess it is all a matter of perspective.

Completely related issue to power, and a huge issue on its own.

[rookiepilot]

The Bill is Dead.

Joe’s pro coal protectionism is borderline Anti American in this day and age. Coal must die. Period.

He was not elected to represent one state, but the United States.

The selfishness of elected officials is treason in my book.

U.S. SENATOR JOE MANCHIN SAYS HE IS A 'NO' ON BIDEN'S BUILD BACK BETTER SPENDING BILL - FOX NEWS INTERVIEW

My Twitter Rant on America for your reading pleasure:

Maybe when New York City floods, all rail tunnels collapse, people are cut off, power grids buckle, wells run dry, and fires cook even more cities, the US will get serious about more infrastructure and less pork for the rich.

I was a climate change skeptic.

No longer.

America is a country with crumbling roads, third world airports, water pipes full of lead, schools that you’d think belonged in Haiti…..but with small town police forces that own brand new armoured personnel carriers with grenade launchers…as long as (Nancy) Pelosi can trade stocks.

Who did Joe Manchin swear an oath to when he took office, the United States, or the Coal mining business of WV?

Asking for a friend. And this applies to all of them.

Where are the patriots….serving America, and Americans?

This is much bigger than BBB or any other bill.

Cause every small town in America needs one of these, with a 50 Cal gun and triple tube launchers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 76766.html

[pelmet]

I'm quite happy with the news. The vast majority of climate change in natural, as it always has been.

It seems odd that someone who is a climate change skeptic would suddenly change their view on the subject because of some guy named Joe deciding on what his vote would be.

Last I heard, he was representing the views of the majority of the people who elected him. Interesting how that is now treason.

[rookiepilot]

I'm quite happy with the news. The vast majority of climate change in natural, as it always has been.

It seems odd that someone who is a climate change skeptic would suddenly change their view on the subject because of some guy named Joe deciding on what his vote would be.

Last I heard, he was representing the views of the majority of the people who elected him. Interesting how that is now treason.

Who did he swear an oath to serve and defend when he took office?

The United States. Not VW. Its treason to sell out your morals to the coal companies. Or anyone else, on either side.

I changed my mind over time when the cumulative evidence convinced me.

Unlike you and the petty, biased, weak minded sheeple, no one tells me how to think or process information.

[pelmet]

I'm quite happy with the news. The vast majority of climate change in natural, as it always has been.

It seems odd that someone who is a climate change skeptic would suddenly change their view on the subject because of some guy named Joe deciding on what his vote would be.

Last I heard, he was representing the views of the majority of the people who elected him. Interesting how that is now treason.

Who did he swear an oath to serve and defend when he took office?

The United States. Not VW. Its treason to sell out your morals to the coal companies. Or anyone else, on either side.

I changed my mind over time when the cumulative evidence convinced me.

Unlike you and the petty, biased, weak minded sheeple, no one tells me how to think or process information.

Weeee, you must be right because you made the argument of those who disagree with you being petty, biased, and weak minded.

I have been convinced.

How about taking your Cessna 182 and towing a banner that says "Man Made Climate Change is Real".

[rookiepilot]

I'm quite happy with the news. The vast majority of climate change in natural, as it always has been.

It seems odd that someone who is a climate change skeptic would suddenly change their view on the subject because of some guy named Joe deciding on what his vote would be.

Last I heard, he was representing the views of the majority of the people who elected him. Interesting how that is now treason.

Who did he swear an oath to serve and defend when he took office?

The United States. Not VW. Its treason to sell out your morals to the coal companies. Or anyone else, on either side.

I changed my mind over time when the cumulative evidence convinced me.

Unlike you and the petty, biased, weak minded sheeple, no one tells me how to think or process information.

Weeee, you must be right because you made the argument of those who disagree with you being petty, biased, and weak minded.

I have been convinced.

How about taking your Cessna 182 and towing a banner that says "Man Made Climate Change is Real".

PELMET.

You have an irritatingly and really immature habit not unlike a 2 hear old when they don’t get their way — you constantly and deliberately misquote people in a lame attempt to discredit them.

It invalidates anything else said and makes you appear like nothing more than a troll. Everyone sees it too. And I don’t think you are a troll. So please stop doing it.

No where did i say “MAN MADE” —climate change — Cause it DOESN’T MATTER what the cause is at the end of the day!