USA--Mask Mandate no Longer in Effect

[CpnCrunch]

Source?

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/src/d ... ada.ca.pdf

Table 3

I just saw the other day that vaccination has 0 effect on hospitalizations and deaths.

Source?

[WellThatAgedWell]

I know many non vaccinated people who are doing just fine. Why are 85% of the hospitalization cases in fully vaccinated then?

Not sure where you're getting that info from or what it's showing. According to Health Canada, in the past month the risk of hospitalization is 7x higher for unvaccinated vs vaccinated with booster, and death is 11x higher for unvaccinated.

Source? I just saw the other day that vaccination has 0 effect on hospitalizations and deaths. As in, with 10% of the pop still unvaccinated, 10% of cases hospitalized are unvaccinated. Then again, that might've been CDC data from the US and there is a special difference between the unvaccinated in Canada and the US, don't know.

This is because when 95 percent of the population is at an extremely low risk to hospitalization because of the disease and taking the vaccine makes zero difference in outcome.
Then the other 5 percent are either people who will be hospitalized whether or not they get the vaccine, as their health and age put them at higher risk.
The last small percentage are people where the vaccine makes the difference.

So its no wonder the data presents as the vaccines don't do all that much.

But we do have healthy 20 year old covidians who get covid and say "thank the purple hair dyed somewhat overweight SJW god I pray to that I got fully vaccinated AND BOOSTED or else clearly I would have been hospitalized and possibly die". And don't dare ask how they have been wearing a mask religiously all this time yet still got covid.

The vaccine was important for those on the fence. It will save a small percentage of lives and that's great. Doesn't mean every living person should be mandated to take the shot.

[CpnCrunch]

This is because when 95 percent of the population is at an extremely low risk to hospitalization because of the disease and taking the vaccine makes zero difference in outcome.
Then the other 5 percent are either people who will be hospitalized whether or not they get the vaccine, as their health and age put them at higher risk.
The last small percentage are people where the vaccine makes the difference.

So its no wonder the data presents as the vaccines don't do all that much.

But we do have healthy 20 year old covidians who get covid and say "thank the purple hair dyed somewhat overweight SJW god I pray to that I got fully vaccinated AND BOOSTED or else clearly I would have been hospitalized and possibly die". And don't dare ask how they have been wearing a mask religiously all this time yet still got covid.

The vaccine was important for those on the fence. It will save a small percentage of lives and that's great. Doesn't mean every living person should be mandated to take the shot.

Nope, as shown above youre full of crap. Or perhaps covid just affected your ability to read and understand basic concepts.

[altiplano]

Are you asserting that everyone, regardless of age and other health factors is at a high risk of a severe outcome? What percentage of people do you think have severe outcome from SARS-CoV-2?

[WellThatAgedWell]

Are you asserting that everyone, regardless of age and other health factors is at a high risk of a severe outcome? What percentage of people do you think have severe outcome from SARS-CoV-2?

I can explain it.

This is the new normal of mathematics:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-des ... reddit.com

"There is a movement to say math should be not about getting the right answer, but more about social and emotional response,"

"It doesn't matter how you feel about the math problem," DeSantis said. "It matters whether you can solve the math problem."

Looks like everyone is using these new texts books thinking their methods of logic and statistics based on feelings is how to handle a pandemic response. Since captain crunch feels like young healthy people are at risk of hospitalization based on his new age mathematician manuals, he then arrived at how important Covid vaccines must be for 20 year olds.

So of course he would call a healthy 20 year old who decides they don’t want to take a vaccine that the experts can’t even agree how many doses should be required to call someone vaccinated, an antivaxxer and a dick.

Nah, only the antivaxxer dicks, which is perfectly fine by me.

How completely idiotic.

[CpnCrunch]

Are you asserting that everyone, regardless of age and other health factors is at a high risk of a severe outcome? What percentage of people do you think have severe outcome from SARS-CoV-2?

Who exactly are you talking to here? (It doesn't appear to be me, as I never asserted that or even implied it).

[ReserveTank]

Yesterday's count:

Out of 143 pax, 3 were masked. A reminder that mask policy revolved around the fringe minority, as did covid policy and the associated statistics.
Our airline sent us a memo before the ink dried on the ruling. The crew areas were instantly unmasked.
We had a great "first day back," with upbeat flight crews. It was great to see smiling again. We were denied normal human interaction for two years, so yesterday was a happy and important day.

[altiplano]

Are you asserting that everyone, regardless of age and other health factors is at a high risk of a severe outcome? What percentage of people do you think have severe outcome from SARS-CoV-2?

Who exactly are you talking to here? (It doesn't appear to be me, as I never asserted that or even implied it).

That's why I'm asking you. What exactly are you saying when someone makes a statement like -

"95 percent of the population is at an extremely low risk to hospitalization because of the disease...'

and you respond -
"youre full of crap. Or perhaps covid just affected your ability to read and understand basic concepts."

So what are you saying he's full of crap about?

[Loon-A-Tic]

Yesterday's count:

Out of 143 pax, 3 were masked. A reminder that mask policy revolved around the fringe minority, as did covid policy and the associated statistics.
Our airline sent us a memo before the ink dried on the ruling. The crew areas were instantly unmasked.
We had a great "first day back," with upbeat flight crews. It was great to see smiling again. We were denied normal human interaction for two years, so yesterday was a happy and important day.

So your clearly not a Canadian air carrier, all rules still apply within Canada and for passenger flights inbound to Canada. I would hope you support your cabin crews as there are faced with potentially confrontational situations.

[WellThatAgedWell]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

[CpnCrunch]

So what are you saying he's full of crap about?

"vaccines don't do all that much."
" It will save a small percentage of lives"

I thought that was obvious, since we were just talking about it and I'd posted evidence, which he/she/they ignored.

[Tolip]

Because everyone thinks the policy is garbage except for the 10 percent.

Which 10% is this, and what evidence shows that mask policy in planes is "garbage"? I just found this modelling study:

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/28 ... #323094874

It found that surgical masks (65.6% efficiency) reduced the chance of catching covid from a passenger next to you on a 12 hour flight from 99.6% to 48%.

So then let's say this article is right.. if wearing the mask reduces your risk that much... then wear one? No one is stopping you. But why make everyone else? I've gotten Covid twice now, both times from dead heading on full flight. Everyone was masked, everyone was fully vaxxed. Nothing will protect you from getting it forever. Not a mask, not a 5th shot of vax, nothing. Let's all just acknowledge that covid isn't that big of a deal, get it. And move on. I guarantee our spineless leadership in this country will do what they ALWAYS do, which is wait a month and then do exactly what the US does. Copy and paste. By May 20th Canada will lift our mask.mandate. that's my guess. USA ditched them, the UK ditched them, canada will do the same.

[CpnCrunch]

Yesterday's count:

Out of 143 pax, 3 were masked. A reminder that mask policy revolved around the fringe minority, as did covid policy and the associated statistics.

No, not really. I was flying BA a few weeks ago after they removed their mask policy, and most people were still wearing masks. I think it should be up to the passengers. It was a little annoying an unnecessary wearing a mask for 8 hours in a WJ business class pod, and in the Elevation lounge, but in the cramped Q400 sardine tin full of coughing people coming back from Mexico and someone who threw up all over his seatmate's legs before takeoff, it's perhaps a useful tool to avoid getting sick.

I wore a mask anyway on BA even though I didn't have to as [1] if I caught COVID I wouldn't have been able to see my mother for the first time in 2.5 years and [2] if I caught COVID I would have been stuck in limbo for 10 days and not been able to come back to Canada.

[Loon-A-Tic]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

Owing to the of requirement of a Federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

[WellThatAgedWell]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

Owing to the of requirement of a Federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

That’s great, it’s important to do your job.

The government on the other hand… it’s the same government that takes 15 months to approve a medical that’s put mandatory masking in place. Incompetent people making incompetent policies.

[Loon-A-Tic]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

Owing to the of requirement of a federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

[Tolip]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

Owing to the of requirement of a Federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

As pilots, are we not trained to de-escalate situations on board. And do we not have very defined rules for escalation of non compliance? And aren't we also trained to just stay out of situations like this and leave it to the FA's. Your sounding like you have some type of personal vendetta over the mask mandate. I would hope you wouldn't just rip someone off a plane and have them arrested at the first sign of non compliance, surely you have more resilience and professionalism then that... what about kids, people with special needs, breathing problems, legit doctors notes, taking a picture for a brief moment. As a skipper, what you should be doing, is being professional, using good judgment, following the rules and supporting your FA's decision either FOR or AGAINST removing someone from the flight.

[Loon-A-Tic]

They should put The Honourable Omar Alghabra on some flights to enforce mask mandates.

Since when was it a flight attendants job to enforce face decorations.

Owing to the of requirement of a Federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

As pilots, are we not trained to de-escalate situations on board. And do we not have very defined rules for escalation of non compliance? And aren't we also trained to just stay out of situations like this and leave it to the FA's. Your sounding like you have some type of personal vendetta over the mask mandate. I would hope you wouldn't just rip someone off a plane and have them arrested at the first sign of non compliance, surely you have more resilience and professionalism then that... what about kids, people with special needs, breathing problems, legit doctors notes, taking a picture for a brief moment. As a skipper, what you should be doing, is being professional, using good judgment, following the rules and supporting your FA's decision either FOR or AGAINST removing someone from the flight.

You are absolutely correct it is within the skills & abilities of the cabin crew to de-escalate and in my experience they are very good at it. However in the event the cabin crew feel the situtation is untenable de-escalation now takes the form of removal, further negotiations become pointless.

[Tolip]

Owing to the of requirement of a Federally regulated industry the cabin crew become the "point people" insuring compliance and therefore at risk of confrontation from those who might choose to be "a pill". As a Skipper I will fully support my cabin crew in their efforts. All non-compliance will be meet with removal from the flight prior to departure or a great by local law enforcement on arrival.

As pilots, are we not trained to de-escalate situations on board. And do we not have very defined rules for escalation of non compliance? And aren't we also trained to just stay out of situations like this and leave it to the FA's. Your sounding like you have some type of personal vendetta over the mask mandate. I would hope you wouldn't just rip someone off a plane and have them arrested at the first sign of non compliance, surely you have more resilience and professionalism then that... what about kids, people with special needs, breathing problems, legit doctors notes, taking a picture for a brief moment. As a skipper, what you should be doing, is being professional, using good judgment, following the rules and supporting your FA's decision either FOR or AGAINST removing someone from the flight.

You are absolutely correct it is within the skills & abilities of the cabin crew to de-escalate and in my experience they are very good at it. However in the event the cabin crew feel the situtation is untenable de-escalation now take the from of removal, further negotiations become pointless.

Totally, fair point. It's probably something worth thinking about. Because I'm guessing on canada - US flights, theres gunna be lots of unruly's and non compliance now with this rule change.. its honistly going to be quite frustrating. As now we are one of the only countries still enforcing this rule.

[Loon-A-Tic]

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, full stop.

[digits_]

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, full stop.

Let me correct that for you:

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, allowed by the economic realities imposed by the company and regulators.

The safest way would be either not to fly, or to fly without passengers. Or be on full respirators all the time. All of those would be safer than what you have to day.

[Loon-A-Tic]

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, full stop.

Let me correct that for you:

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, allowed by the economic realities imposed by the company and regulators.

The safest way would be either not to fly, or to fly without passengers. Or be on full respirators all the time. All of those would be safer than what you have to day.

That's NOT a correction, that's YOUR opinion and I would thank you to NOT paint me with YOUR brush.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, full stop.

Let me correct that for you:

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, allowed by the economic realities imposed by the company and regulators.

The safest way would be either not to fly, or to fly without passengers. Or be on full respirators all the time. All of those would be safer than what you have to day.

That's NOT a correction, that's YOUR opinion and I would thank you to NOT paint me with YOUR brush.

It’s a fact that respirator is better than cloth masking.

Maybe someone can pull this stunt but on the airplane…

The Toronto District School Board (TDSB) is investigating a teacher who has been placed on home assignment after he sent a hostile email to students claiming that those without masks are “maybe even killing me” and that any unmasked students will need to sit outside in the hallway or face “detentions and other consequences.”

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... mask-email

Safety first! Or you are possibly killing me! have we reached peak crazy yet?

[digits_]

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, full stop.

Let me correct that for you:

I have one agenda and one agenda only. That's to operated the airplane in the safety manor possible and create the safety possible working enviroment for my collegues, allowed by the economic realities imposed by the company and regulators.

The safest way would be either not to fly, or to fly without passengers. Or be on full respirators all the time. All of those would be safer than what you have to day.

That's NOT a correction, that's YOUR opinion and I would thank you to NOT paint me with YOUR brush.

It's a fact that you won't die in a plane crash if you don't fly. Ergo, you're not being as safe as possible.

Every safety measure is limited by economics. You can only be as safe as the company allows you to be. The option you have if your level of safety is not met, is to turn down the flight and/or to quit the company. That's it.

That's an economic reality. Every pilot (or pax or person alive) is facing those restrictions.

[ReserveTank]

Yesterday's count:

Out of 143 pax, 3 were masked. A reminder that mask policy revolved around the fringe minority, as did covid policy and the associated statistics.
Our airline sent us a memo before the ink dried on the ruling. The crew areas were instantly unmasked.
We had a great "first day back," with upbeat flight crews. It was great to see smiling again. We were denied normal human interaction for two years, so yesterday was a happy and important day.

So your clearly not a Canadian air carrier, all rules still apply within Canada and for passenger flights inbound to Canada. I would hope you support your cabin crews as there are faced with potentially confrontational situations.

I follow the escalation policy of my Company Operations Manual. If the cabin crew report a legitimate escalation, I pass it to the proper authorities. That's the required support. I NEVER go face-to-face if there is an escalation. That's what ops and law enforcement are for. Walking to the back to "sort it out" is a great way to face litigation, termination, and career loss.