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If you compare prices, they are the same fare on every route!
the cheapest fares on both AC and WJ are pretty much identical. however, if you compare the last minute fares/last seats available on a flight, WJ is significantly cheaper that AC.

so moral of the story...book early enough and you can't lose as a consumer with either product.
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CLguy wrote:Cyxe, I must be flying on the wrong RJ's becasue as far as I'm concerned the RJ seat is on par with a Metro seat. Also I have flown WestJet at least 6 times in the last 6 months and have yet to here a joke told. Again I must be on the wrong 737's.
I've never been in a metro seat, I'm assuming thats not supposed to be a good thing :)

I'm referring to the new -705 rj's. I don't know seat pitches but they're quite comfortable. Not the 200's...though I can live through a ride on a -200 also. Keep in mind I'm a bit short for my weight also, if you catch my drift.

...as for the lack of jokes you experienced, consider yourself lucky. I've only flown westjet 3 times this year and jokes were flyin left and right everytime.

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I feel sorry for the west jet employees. Because of a few top exectutives who thought that they could get a way with this criminal activity, the entire company is now being put under the microscope. When this whole affair became public, Clive stood before the west jet employee group and stated that he had done nothing wrong. Now the truth comes out. How could any employee at west jet trust him again?. Maybe it is time for a change of leadership....
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flyer 1492 wrote:I feel sorry for the west jet employees. Because of a few top exectutives who thought that they could get a way with this criminal activity, the entire company is now being put under the microscope. When this whole affair became public, Clive stood before the west jet employee group and stated that he had done nothing wrong. Now the truth comes out. How could any employee at west jet trust him again?. Maybe it is time for a change of leadership....
bigsky wrote: Once upon a time in a village a man appeared who announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs. 10. The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys went out in the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at 10 and as supply started to diminish and villagers started to stop their effort he announced that now he would buy at 20 rupees.

This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching moneys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to 25 and the supply of monkeys became so that it was an effort to even see a monkey let alone catch it.

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at 50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business his assistant would now buy on behalf of the man.

In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers, “Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at 35 and when the man comes back you can sell it to him for 50.”

The villagers queued up with all their saving to buy the monkeys.

Later neither the man was to be found nor his assitant. Only thing that was left was MONKEYS and only MONKEYS
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cyyz wrote:
flyer 1492 wrote:I feel sorry for the west jet employees. Because of a few top exectutives who thought that they could get a way with this criminal activity, the entire company is now being put under the microscope. When this whole affair became public, Clive stood before the west jet employee group and stated that he had done nothing wrong. Now the truth comes out. How could any employee at west jet trust him again?. Maybe it is time for a change of leadership....
bigsky wrote: Once upon a time in a village a man appeared who announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs. 10. The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys went out in the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at 10 and as supply started to diminish and villagers started to stop their effort he announced that now he would buy at 20 rupees.

This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching moneys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to 25 and the supply of monkeys became so that it was an effort to even see a monkey let alone catch it.

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at 50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business his assistant would now buy on behalf of the man.

In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers, “Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at 35 and when the man comes back you can sell it to him for 50.”

The villagers queued up with all their saving to buy the monkeys.

Later neither the man was to be found nor his assitant. Only thing that was left was MONKEYS and only MONKEYS
lol...
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don't bother posting anything about WestJet being in the wrong....christ haven't you heard WestJet can do no wrong....ever....in any situation! I couldn't wait to see the owners defend this one, it's very entertaining to see what bullshit they will come up with next. Is this going to hurt WestJets business?...not in the least, but it's still funny read the cult members post.
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When it comes down to it, Canadians aren't going to care about the "MORALS" of West Jet and punish them for it. They are going to buy airfare based on service and price. I bet the same guys yelling bloody murder and down with West Jet still voted Liberal even though the ripped off every person who voted them in.

In summary, Canadian moral memory = very short. Canadians like cheap products and services and any hand outs. If they were achieved through shadiness, just don't tell us and we're fine.

I was riding West Jet, watching the beautiful little tv screens when I saw this article on the news. I laughed, and enjoyed my ride just that much more!

Cheaper seats through industrial/commercial espionage, thats hilarious!

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I saw that this story made the first page and had about 10 inches of copy on page 15 of the Financial Times Europe here in Zurich today. WESTJET is getting famous.
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Clive asks how a CEO can be named as one of the best when his company goes into bankruptcy? I guess the same way someone can be named Entrepreneur of the Year by photocopying someone elses business plan :shock:

Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to introduce you to our new fast food service outlet called McDowells. Our feature sandwich will be the big mic and our mascot will be Rowell McDowell (Clive the Clown was taken) :lol:
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Stoptheworld wrote:Clive asks how a CEO can be named as one of the best when his company goes into bankruptcy? I guess the same way someone can be named Entrepreneur of the Year by photocopying someone elses business plan :shock:

Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to introduce you to our new fast food service outlet called McDowells. Our feature sandwich will be the big mic and our mascot will be Rowell McDowell (Clive the Clown was taken) :lol:
Ummm, sorry, that doesn't quite equal the same thing...

Sure he copied it, but that makes him "SMART" unlike everyone else who made their own plan, and failed, he realised, "yo, shit dawg, if it ain't broke, don't change it..." so it worked, making him look smart unlike Leblanc....

Now in your example, CEO of the year the only reason I can see him winning is because it was written/voted on by his peers, so they were all like, "Man look at the dude, he cut his employee wages, didn't give them a bonus, collected 60 million in a bonus for himself, flopped the company, collected a 'he the man saved our company' bonus, got stock options and still managed to cut employee wages some more... He is the man...."

Also most of the execs that were available were in jail or on trial, Martha, Tyco, Enron, Nortel, so they only had the least crooked guy available...
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Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Uncle Milty and perhaps it was not an appropriate comparison. To me, it should be someone that can build a better mousetrap that should get an award, not someone that paints the mousetrap a different colour.

I am simply sick and tired of Clive slagging on everyone and the things they do.

It seems obvious that Clive doesn't trust his own product and the people that provide it because he has to resort to covert and unethical practices and must stoop to the level of petty name-calling.

I have yet to hear the president of Toyota calling GM cars crap, the marketplace can figure that out for themselves.

People in glass houses...

Ooh look, Grape Kool-Aid...
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Stoptheworld wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Uncle Milty

I am simply sick and tired of Clive
They both suck ass, you're right, maybe they were voted for each category to piss the canadian aviation public off... =)
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Stoptheworld wrote:Clive asks how a CEO can be named as one of the best when his company goes into bankruptcy? I guess the same way someone can be named Entrepreneur of the Year by photocopying someone elses business plan :shock:

Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to introduce you to our new fast food service outlet called McDowells. Our feature sandwich will be the big mic and our mascot will be Rowell McDowell (Clive the Clown was taken) :lol:
I laugh at how people like to slag succesful people. Those grapes must be awfully sour.
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Dust Devil wrote:
I laugh at how people like to slag succesful people. Those grapes must be awfully sour.
Hitler was very succesful, you don't see many people running his "model" or "promoting" his ways...

PS. It's a double edged sword no matter which way you reply, imo, but I'd really like reply...
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Last time I checked Hitler lost. Mabey your history book is different.
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Dust Devil wrote:Last time I checked Hitler lost. Mabey your history book is different.
and it took the whole world to take him down... But I do like your reply, but,

I laugh at how people like to slag succesful people.
We were slagging milton, and last time I checked, He bankrupted a company and got awarded for it???? So, if that's not a loss(bankruptcy) and him "profiting" off it, not worthy of our slagging, blah to you good sir, blah....

His model worked for a time, and then it tanked, so did Air Canada, So I'll be darned if we can't bash him...

Wait, don't you bash Bush? Isn't he "successful?" I guess getting 51% of the voting public to vote for you is easy as flipping a coin... :lol:
The only hint I can give is not to run norton. It causes more problems then it solves
There you go bashing "norton" but it's "succesful" you're right it's shit, but you're bashing it, what would you have said if we were bashing Gates because of Windows and it's shitfilled-"user friendly"-patched to the butt system? Would you help and defend that guy too???
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:P Ladies and Gentleman

Please welcome our very own cyyz: The typical WJ Cheerleader, a result of severe and constant brainwashing by Westjet Kultur Klub: Fireside chat provided by the giraffe, the short fat f*ck and Doc Bell.

All rise and repeat after me: Oh Clive in the sky…give us our daily bread…


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cyyz wrote:Gates because of Windows and it's shitfilled-"user friendly"-patched to the butt system? Would you help and defend that guy too???
Actually I would defend Bill Gates as I would also defend Steve Jobs. Both men are sucessful business people. In typical fashion now that Apple is starting to gain market share in other industries the law suits are starting to appear. The whole thing about being in business is fighting off the vultures from taking your money.

I would defend both Westjet and AC. AC for knowing how to play the system and Westjet for knowing how to provide an exceptional product. People are trashing Clive for using SW model. well if it works then why the hell reinvent it.

It's the same idea how people like to slag Alberta. The most prosperous province in the country and people out east just hate to see someone doing well for themselves.
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Ladies and Genltemen,
The world must be coming to an end, Blister actually posted his own response without cut and paste and without bolding everthing. Blister should learn how to use spell check though!!
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When it comes right down to Clive, his "success" is slightly overblown. Mark Hill did the legwork on that company - a couple years of obsessiveness actually, cost him his marriage - and they piggybacked on Tim Morgan's OC. Clive Beddoe was a real estate investor who just happened to fly his light twin out of Morgan's outfit, and seized on the opportunity. That's about as much credit as I would give him. What he actually knows about the aviation industry, you could write on a postage stamp.

With the mass exodus of the original talent from WestJet, and the totally different direction taken these days, it's a bit tired to keep cheerleading Beddoe as a genius visionary, particulary if you actually know the history of the company.
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This is because Complex knows "everything" about WestJet boys and girls
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I am not here to defend eithere company. If you all beleive that there are not people in each of these companies sharing secrets you need to wake up. I do not beleive either of these companies are clean. Were do you think AC got the info that started this hole thing. It was not from tracking how was in the system. They may have caught them in the system after they new what to look for. Do you think AC starts new runs by throwing darts at a map. They all look over each others shoulders and get information any were they can including passenger counts from airport authorities.
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While Westjet did wrong - perhaps Blastor could enlighten all of us as to why Air Canada allowed this to happen at all?
I mean it's not like they had to hire the worlds best computer hackers, the largest - most expensive computer in the world, then sit in front of it for 8 months to get this info.

I also wonder what the true story is behind AC hiring people to go snooping through someone elses garbage? Maybe AC was doing some unethical prcatises of their own - they just happen to find the bad stuff first.

I think both sides were doing wrong and Westjet got caught first.
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Nah. NOT AC!!!
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When it comes right down to Clive, his "success" is slightly overblown. Mark Hill did the legwork on that company - a couple years of obsessiveness actually, cost him his marriage - and they piggybacked on Tim Morgan's OC. Clive Beddoe was a real estate investor who just happened to fly his light twin out of Morgan's outfit, and seized on the opportunity. That's about as much credit as I would give him. What he actually knows about the aviation industry, you could write on a postage stamp.

With the mass exodus of the original talent from WestJet, and the totally different direction taken these days, it's a bit tired to keep cheerleading Beddoe as a genius visionary, particulary if you actually know the history of the company.
You're pretty much spot on in the first paragraph. Mark Hill deserves all of credit for creating the business plan for WJ and evolving it into what it has become.. until, well... you know. :wink:
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