I agree with Fmrc3ame. Not only is there a problem with curfew, the landing fees in YYZ are way too high. You are going to see some cargo airlines move there flying ops out of YYZ at the rate it's going. The reason behind UPS's growth in YYZ is because of the end of Menlo. They have to handle the volume some how. UPS SCS and UPS offer different levels of service.

As far as "John and Murray laughing their heads off". It's not at Cargojet, it's at how they managed to close ACE Limited and create ACE Inc. Minimal debt, all of the equipment, no personal financial liability to the owners!!! Don't think for a minute they were concerned about saving unionized pilots jobs. They weren't fighting to keep the airline going, they were fighting to keep their nest egg!!

The ex ACE owners escaped once, but not two times. Anyone that knows what is really going on,knows that there concerned about there nest egg these days.

(more rumor) Is it true they're laying off pilots but hiring more office staff ? Did guys take the summer off with no pay so that others didn't get bumped off the ship ? Sounds like a head-ache over on that side but I wish I could say my co-workers would do that for me.

One meal at a time,

Hungry Mike

Morning Star flys out after or before curfrew and do they not have the same stage 3 fedex hush kits as cargojet

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Hightower wrote:Morning Star flys out after or before curfrew and do they not have the same stage 3 fedex hush kits as cargojet

im not sure if Fedex has some sort of let to land before curfew. we used to chase a Fedex flt from Newark to Toronto and they would always land early. they were a310's so a lil differant noise issue than a 727 but none the less it was before curfew. Morningstar might have this capability through their agreement with FDX

Fedex pays to land and leave whenever they want to. Do you honestly think that UPS would not get the same deal. As with the price of landing fees, I highly doubt it would be an issue with a company as large as UPS. GTAA is sure to give them a deal just for the added revenue to the airport just like they did for Westjet.

natureboy wrote:Fedex pays to land and leave whenever they want to. Do you honestly think that UPS would not get the same deal. As with the price of landing fees, I highly doubt it would be an issue with a company as large as UPS. GTAA is sure to give them a deal just for the added revenue to the airport just like they did for Westjet.

Just out of curiosity where did you get your information regarding WJ getting a deal from the GTAA?

WestJet has had short term lets of 10 - 20 minutes due to westerly winds. But no special deals.

of course west jet can land any time look what fly

Maybe "Nature Boy hasn't understand how UPS and Cargojet works. Cago's that come in to Canada from UPS are connected to Cargojet's domestic network to be distributed across Canada. If UPS would kick out Cargojet, then it means they have to create their own "domestic distributor" within Canada. A very good example is Fedex, they have Fedex International, and a Canadian version of Fedex that operates Canadian registered aircraft for domestic operations(actually the planes are operated by another company). UPS might be following Fedex' footsteps, but who knows!!!!

I can tell how Nature Boy hates Cargojet and to tell you all, there are more things going on than what you think, something big, that could make the company stable or get rid of a couple of planes!! When that happens, Cargojet would be more profitable!!

I actually know how CJ and UPS work and I know how it worked before CJ got it. As for hating Cargojet please explain where I bashed the company in a hateful manner? Mentioning a sorting facility being built and wondering if UPS is going to move is hardly hateful. As with everything on this site most comments are speculation on what could happen. Maybe if your that sensitive you should stop reading posts since I imagine they are not always what you'll want to hear. If I knew what an issue my post would be I would not of written it!

Now I may be wrong here but if I remember correctly the GTAA offered Fedex some enticements (No Curfew slots) to move the operation to YYZ. Originally this was a trial period but appears now to be a signed commitment from the GTAA and Fedex.

fmrc3ame wrote:The only problem with that is the YYZ Curfew besides Cargojet is flying out of YYZ too! Seems like someone is trying to stir the pot on this one and should get more facts.

Guess I'm not the only one stirring the pot now, huh? Watch what you say you just might be a CJ hater.

Actually, coterminalization would eliminate the need for UPS or FedEx to have Canadian carriers.

Not saying it will happen, but simply "could" happen.


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Cargodog wrote:Actually, coterminalization would eliminate the need for UPS or FedEx to have Canadian carriers.

Not saying it will happen, but simply "could" happen.

Hmm I think it's a bit more complicated than that...

http://www.chamber.ca/cmslib/general/T053.pdf

Thanks. Good article.

This one actually goes into better detail.

http://www.intervistas.com/4/reports/Ec ... un2005.pdf

The carriers that would stand to possibly lose are the feeders services (Eg UPS uses I think Alta Flights or Sunwest between YYC-YEG). Of course they'd need to weight the costs of servicing a brown tail on that run versus the Metro, but then the UPS pilot agreement comes into play somewhere in there...

Anyhow, thanks for the link and clarrification.

Cargojet on tv today.

on http://www.robtv.com at 10:40

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Nice to see CJ is making money! Have you check TSX lately? The stock unit is up around nine dollars! Now, where's my bonus?

Stargojit you dog, after boneass...lol, who knows, wait and see

Just read in the Ottawa paper that Starjet is being sued for 2 Million Dollars by the Ottawa Senators for Breech of contract. The article said Starjet was parking aircraft this winter for maintenance so they can't fly.

Does this mean Starjet is finished for good?

Are Starjet and Cargojet seperate companies or are they the same ( can they declare bankruptcy as Starjet )?

Can you post a link to the article or write verbatim what it says? Can't seem to find it.

I was under the impression that the Sens contract was only for one year.

Starjet operates under CJ's OC, I believe as a wholly-owned subsidiary.

One guess is that if this is true, it may be an issue of running too thin on crews agrivated by guys leaving for other jobs. I'm unable to find the article as well; anyone with a moment please post a link?

another hand full of pilots gone this month, again.