AC pilot slips through the vetting process

[BigQ]

It's interesting how on this side of the pond it's "Israel = GOOD, Palestina = BAD". Even worse than that, you're considered a menace to society if you subtly wonder if perhaps both sides could be at fault?

There's a much more nuanced view in other parts of the world, which basically boils down to "both sides have done horrible things".

If wearing pro Israel clothing would have gotten him fired, then it's fair he would be fired for pro Palestina clothing as well. The Hitler remarks might be a bit over the top. It's good they are investigating that to see what was actually said or written.

"Both sides have done horrible things." What a great way to attempt to sweep under the rug the abhorrent acts committed a couple of days ago.

Raping women is not self defense.
Parading the naked desecrated corpse of a civilian is not self defense.
Kidnapping children is not self defense.
Murdering the elderly is not self defense.
Decapitating a soldier hors de combat is not self defense.
Decapitating children is not self defense.
Placing children in cages is not self defense.
Murdering hostages is not self defense.
Firing into a crowd at a music festival is not self defense.

What is happening and going to continue to happen in Gaza is awful and it's going to get worse. The blame rests solely on Hamas, a terrorist organization with nearly a 70% approval rating by it's constituents.

I hope that you do not believe that Israel should accept that its civilians should endure the above actions and that the above actions are justified because Israel and Egypt refuse to help a population with a "democratically elected" government that causes problems for everyone they come into contact with.

At least 50% of these didn't happen, they are all hearsay and atrocity propaganda designed to outrage you and allow war crimes to being commited. Don't get roped into a chimpout between 2 religions in the Middle-East while our country and it's neighbour are in no state to contribute.
An Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind.

Repeat after me:

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Ok, now, you try it.

[Conflicting Traffic]

I find the moral equivocation from some posters alarming.

Alarming, yes. But alas, not surprising.

"Both sides have done horrible things." What a great way to attempt to sweep under the rug the abhorrent acts committed a couple of days ago.

Raping women is not self defense.
Parading the naked desecrated corpse of a civilian is not self defense.
Kidnapping children is not self defense.
Murdering the elderly is not self defense.
Decapitating a soldier hors de combat is not self defense.
Decapitating children is not self defense.
Placing children in cages is not self defense.
Murdering hostages is not self defense.
Firing into a crowd at a music festival is not self defense.

At least 50% of these didn't happen, they are all hearsay and atrocity propaganda designed to outrage you and allow war crimes to being commited.

So, assuming your 50% claim is true (it's not), which 50% do you find acceptable?

[rookiepilot]

It's interesting how on this side of the pond it's "Israel = GOOD, Palestina = BAD". Even worse than that, you're considered a menace to society if you subtly wonder if perhaps both sides could be at fault?

There's a much more nuanced view in other parts of the world, which basically boils down to "both sides have done horrible things".

If wearing pro Israel clothing would have gotten him fired, then it's fair he would be fired for pro Palestina clothing as well. The Hitler remarks might be a bit over the top. It's good they are investigating that to see what was actually said or written.

"Both sides have done horrible things." What a great way to attempt to sweep under the rug the abhorrent acts committed a couple of days ago.

Raping women is not self defense.
Parading the naked desecrated corpse of a civilian is not self defense.
Kidnapping children is not self defense.
Murdering the elderly is not self defense.
Decapitating a soldier hors de combat is not self defense.
Decapitating children is not self defense.
Placing children in cages is not self defense.
Murdering hostages is not self defense.
Firing into a crowd at a music festival is not self defense.

What is happening and going to continue to happen in Gaza is awful and it's going to get worse. The blame rests solely on Hamas, a terrorist organization with nearly a 70% approval rating by it's constituents.

I hope that you do not believe that Israel should accept that its civilians should endure the above actions and that the above actions are justified because Israel and Egypt refuse to help a population with a "democratically elected" government that causes problems for everyone they come into contact with.

At least 50% of these didn't happen, they are all hearsay and atrocity propaganda designed to outrage you and allow war crimes to being commited. Don't get roped into a chimpout between 2 religions in the Middle-East while our country and it's neighbour are in no state to contribute.
An Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind.

Repeat after me:

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Ok, now, you try it.

Says you.

Prove it.

[digits_]

"Both sides have done horrible things." What a great way to attempt to sweep under the rug the abhorrent acts committed a couple of days ago.

Not at all. It was a horrible act. It's wrong though to claim Israel solely as the victim. Terrorism, and especially this specific incidence, doesn't just happen randomly. It's the result of years of war, witnessing friends and family die, being on the losing side, having no support, and perceiving that you just don't have any other options anymore. It's easy to ignore that from our comfortable Western homes.

What is happening and going to continue to happen in Gaza is awful and it's going to get worse. The blame rests solely on Hamas,

Really? The past 70 years doesn't matter?
I admit it's hard to find objective information about the conflict. I think Wikipedia tries to do an ok job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E ... n_conflict

Pay particular attention to this paragraph:

Israeli Military Police
In a report published in February 2014 covering incidents over the three-year period of 2011–2013, Amnesty International asserted that Israeli forces employed reckless violence in the West Bank, and in some instances appeared to engage in wilful killings which would be tantamount to war crimes. Besides the numerous fatalities, Amnesty said at least 261 Palestinians, including 67 children, had been gravely injured by Israeli use of live ammunition. In this same period, 45 Palestinians, including 6 children had been killed. Amnesty's review of 25 civilians deaths concluded that in no case was there evidence of the Palestinians posing an imminent threat. At the same time, over 8,000 Palestinians suffered serious injuries from other means, including rubber-coated metal bullets. Only one IDF soldier was convicted, killing a Palestinian attempting to enter Israel illegally. The soldier was demoted and given a 1-year sentence with a five-month suspension. The IDF answered the charges stating that its army held itself "to the highest of professional standards", adding that when there was suspicion of wrongdoing, it investigated and took action "where appropriate".[102][103]

Or the casualties numbers:

According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Human Affairs database, as of 20 March 2023, there have been 6,269 Palestinian and 293 Israeli fatalities since 1 January 2008.[268] According to B'tselem, during the first intifada from 1987 until 2000, 1,551 Palestinians and 421 Israelis lost their lives.[269]

More numbers and details:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_casualties_of_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... ies_of_war

a terrorist organization with nearly a 70% approval rating by it's constituents.

What's the difference between a terrorist organization, a resistance or a group of freedom fighters? The country has been at war for decades.

I hope that you do not believe that Israel should accept that its civilians should endure the above actions and that the above actions are justified because Israel and Egypt refuse to help a population with a "democratically elected" government that causes problems for everyone they come into contact with.

What do you suggest? Retaliation? Guess what, that's *exactly* what caused this attack. It's exactly what's been going on for decades, and it's exactly what will prolong the conflict another 10 or 20 years. The whole Israel - Palestina conflicts is one major chain of retaliation and escalation.

[dontcallmeshirley]

At least 50% of these didn't happen, they are all hearsay and atrocity propaganda designed to outrage you and allow war crimes to being commited. Don't get roped into a chimpout between 2 religions in the Middle-East while our country and it's neighbour are in no state to contribute.
An Eye for an Eye makes the world go blind.

Repeat after me:

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Ok, now, you try it.

Posting links to the photos and videos on AvCanada would get me banned.

And who are you to tell me that this does not affect me? Are you assuming that because I am in Canada I do not have family and friends in Israel? Are you assuming that because I am in Canada that I am not Jewish?

I ask that the moderators not delete this thread. It is important for others to see that antisemitism is not just chanting "Gas the Jews!" It is also conveyed through the attempts to justify rape, murder, and the desecration of bodies and by trying to change the story away from it.

The difference between Israel and Palestine is that the Israelis do not parade around the bodies of the dead in celebration. If you think that valuing life and valuing death are equal, then you are not a person I want to associate with.

End Hamas.

[porcsord]

https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_wh ... anguage=en

I'm not going to comment on this particular case in anyway, but all of you should watch this.

[digits_]

I ask that the moderators not delete this thread. It is important for others to see that antisemitism is not just chanting "Gas the Jews!" It is also conveyed through the attempts to justify rape, murder, and the desecration of bodies and by trying to change the story away from it.

Where do you see antisemitism in this thread? Pointing out there are 2 sides to every story is antisemitism?

Do you think Israel is completely innocent in this conflict? A 20 second google search reveals a lot of horrible stories on both sides of the conflict, ticking all your boxes on both sides.

[dontcallmeshirley]

I ask that the moderators not delete this thread. It is important for others to see that antisemitism is not just chanting "Gas the Jews!" It is also conveyed through the attempts to justify rape, murder, and the desecration of bodies and by trying to change the story away from it.

Where do you see antisemitism in this thread? Pointing out there are 2 sides to every story is antisemitism?

Do you think Israel is completely innocent in this conflict? A 20 second google search reveals a lot of horrible stories on both sides of the conflict, ticking all your boxes on both sides.

Your constant choice to change the conversation from "raping women and murdering children is bad" to "but they are wrong too" shows that you do not value life.

You are also not bringing up the current civilians in Gaza that are dying as a result of the preemptive strikes on Gaza before the ground invasion.

Respectfully, please remove yourself from the conversation until you can recognize that we are talking about humanity and not about politics.

[digits_]

Respectfully, please remove yourself from the conversation until you can recognize that we are talking about humanity and not about politics.

I think you're summing up nicely what I'm reacting against. "Your message doesn't fit the one sided conversation we are trying to have, so please leave our echo chamber". You will never solve a conflict that way.


Meanwhile, you are

1) accusing participants of this thread of antisemitism.

[It is important for others to see that antisemitism is not just chanting]"Gas the Jews!It is also conveyed through the attempts to justify rape, murder, and the desecration of bodies and by trying to change the story away from it.

Yet refuse to answer which messages show this antisemitism.


2) calling for violence and retaliation

End Hamas.

Do you at least see the irony in your posts?

[rookiepilot]

I ask that the moderators not delete this thread. It is important for others to see that antisemitism is not just chanting "Gas the Jews!" It is also conveyed through the attempts to justify rape, murder, and the desecration of bodies and by trying to change the story away from it.

Where do you see antisemitism in this thread? Pointing out there are 2 sides to every story is antisemitism?

Do you think Israel is completely innocent in this conflict? A 20 second google search reveals a lot of horrible stories on both sides of the conflict, ticking all your boxes on both sides.

Your constant choice to change the conversation from "raping women and murdering children is bad" to "but they are wrong too" shows that you do not value life.

You are also not bringing up the current civilians in Gaza that are dying as a result of the preemptive strikes on Gaza before the ground invasion.

Respectfully, please remove yourself from the conversation until you can recognize that we are talking about humanity and not about politics.

+1

[Gregor]

Invoking such a horrible term with such dark and hateful connotations as anti-semite simply when someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint and are simply stating history is absolutely awful.

[dontcallmeshirley]

1) accusing participants of this thread of antisemitism.

Want a good example? Blaming the Jews (not Israelis) who are experiencing these events. This terror attack is not being committed against Israel... it is being committed against Jews. Remember the "gas the Jews" chant that you read about a few replies back?

Not at all. It was a horrible act. It's wrong though to claim Israel solely as the victim. Terrorism, and especially this specific incidence, doesn't just happen randomly. It's the result of years of war, witnessing friends and family die, being on the losing side, having no support, and perceiving that you just don't have any other options anymore. It's easy to ignore that from our comfortable Western homes.

2) calling for violence and retaliation

Yes, I call for the complete extermination of the terrorist organization Hamas. They commit ISIS style brutality and deserve to be reduced to their constituent components for their crimes against humanity.

Digits_, I am a Jew living in Canada. I am being told that I should die because I am a Jew. You may not be saying those words, but the words you are saying are an attempt to justify the heinous acts committed.

Goodbye.

[digits_]

1) accusing participants of this thread of antisemitism.

Want a good example? Blaming the Jews (not Israelis) who are experiencing these events. This terror attack is not being committed against Israel... it is being committed against Jews. Remember the "gas the Jews" chant that you read about a few replies back?

Nobody here is blaming the Jews. You are the one bringing up the term "Jew". The discussion has been about the recent attack in Israel. You can't see that event as an isolated event in the course of history.

Digits_, I am a Jew living in Canada. I am being told that I should die because I am a Jew.

I see. But then why ...

Yes, I call for the complete extermination of the terrorist organization Hamas. They commit ISIS style brutality and deserve to be reduced to their constituent components for their crimes against humanity.

... call for the extermination of another group of people yourself? Things will only escalate further that way. And they already are.

You may not be saying those words, but the words you are saying are an attempt to justify the heinous acts committed.

Not justify. Merely try to understand what caused the events and fight the oversimplification present in the media.

[rookiepilot]

Fred H has a lot of company, apparently.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/instea ... -slaughter

[rookiepilot]

You can’t make this up. Literally.

https://nationalpost.com/news/cbc-tells ... eaked-memo

The same people who label protesting parents as such.

From the comments there sure are a bunch of posters who still worship at the CBC idol.

[Stu Pidasso]

There is no choice, who would ever share a Flight Deck, FA's will exercise their "right to refuse dangerous work," and you can here the welcome on-board PA now and passengers running for the door.

Very unfortunate for a young Pilot.

[digits_]

https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_wh ... anguage=en

I'm not going to comment on this particular case in anyway, but all of you should watch this.

This does deserve a watch!

[Core]

Dontcallmeshirley,

I'm sorry and saddened that you experienced anti-semitism at another time, but merely mentioning the factual atrocities of the Isrealis on their side of the conflict hardly qualifies as such.

I agree with a post above, it's pretty awful to label the members in this thread in that manner.

[rookiepilot]

I find the moral equivocation from some posters alarming.

Its gross how many refuse to even acknowledge what happened.

I therefore couldn’t care less what those doing so have to say about Israel or anything else for that matter.

Those deserve a long long holiday in my opinion.

THIS is awesome by Bill Ackman. I’d LOVE to see something similar.

https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1 ... 7086233661

[hithere]

This guy was still on probation so he will 100% be fired. If he was off probation it might be more difficult for AC to fire him or they would probably have to buy him out but as a probationary pilot, he is done

[JHR]

AC really scraping the bottom of the pilot barrel now

[Jack Klumpus]

Media is wrong when it comes to aviation events, Canadian politics, covid, and Ukraine. It’s 100% right when it comes to the Middle East.

[Jack Klumpus]

AC really scraping the bottom of the pilot barrel now

Now?

[rookiepilot]

Media is wrong when it comes to aviation events, Canadian politics, covid, and Ukraine. It’s 100% right when it comes to the Middle East.

Jack implies reports like this fake. Even though its on video. Do I have it correct?

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status ... 7589959846

What’s your real name Jack? Where do you work?

Don’t be shy.

[Jack Klumpus]

Media is wrong when it comes to aviation events, Canadian politics, covid, and Ukraine. It’s 100% right when it comes to the Middle East.

Jack says this is fake. Even though its on video.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status ... 7589959846

What’s your real name Jack? Where do you work?

Don’t be shy.

What did I say?