That’s all great! You seem to be ignoring the fact that they are paying this because they are all competing for the 1500 hour pilots, which there is not enough of.Janitroll wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:41 ambraaap Braap wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:19 am Many of these places used to pay less than Canadian Regionals before the 1,500 hr rule. And let’s stop pretending those places are shining examples of good places to work. We’re all googly eyed at the $$ but does anyone have any real experience with what the US regional scene is like? Whipsaw and instability left and right (Expressjet, Commutair, Compass, etc)
At US regional, if you don’t like the job you can go to the next company. Your pay scale related to your experience, so you don’t start from the bottom.
If you were a 2 year FO at ALPA’s PAL in eastern Canada, with 1500 hours of time flying for PAL, and you were sick of PAL and wanted to go to Jazz
You’d still have to pay out $10k of the $26k PAL bond to leave Jazz, you’d start at Jazz bottom of scale pay for new hire pilots $60k.
If you were in the US & went to PSA Air, place 1500 hours and 2 years in the PSA pay calculator, with no referrals
https://psaairlines.com/pilot-wage-calculator/
Year 1 pay - $248,790 US - $335k Canadian - to fly a regional jet - no major airline
Year 2 pay - $320,171
Year 3 pay - $327,461
Year 4 pay - $341,906 US - $460k Canadian
& the calculator is dated, the pay rates have gone up since it was placed online
In Canada you pay out the $10k bond start at $60k, net $50k.
In the US $335k – %650 higher
On top of pay, your vacation and benefits are linked to your years at your previous carrier. You get more vacation time, instead of starting at entry level.
100% deadhead pay
First class deadheads
4 commuter hotels a month paid
Reserved commuter seating, space available highest class, not standby
300 Percent Pay Incentive for open time
https://www.flyingmag.com/envoy-air-off ... incentive/
AC CBA
Include contract lines which have 200 - 300% higher pay rates for extra work, flying outside schedule, picking up open time
Overtime at %200 not %150, %300 during holiday times
100% deadhead pay, including the time waiting in security lines and to board
100% pay for delays, company delays, airport delays, weather delays, ATC delays
100% pay for all duty time
Stop flat pay, AC pilots still defend the flat pay
Stop signing bonds at ALPA.
PAL -$26k bond, who signs this?
$31k bond at Pacific Coastal to fly Encore routes with the WestJet tail & brand - and Encore pilots wonder why Encore's shrinking size?
Undercutting Encore, based on pilots who are willing to sign $31k multi year bonds which prevent them from moving for better working conditions, which allows Pacific Coastal to remain with lower working conditions, salary & bonds
THEY WOULD NOT BE PAYING THIS IF THEY DID NOT HAVE TOO!
You also seem to be ignoring that AC would rather have us park half the Jazz fleet than pay more!
The only thing that will change this mentality is, not having a choice, instead of trying to shame pilots for bonds and low pay, why don’t you try and change the system where we can and do put fresh commercial pilots in the flight decks of 705 aircraft, including the 737 max.
Lobby the US regulator, have them deny access to the airspace if a company hires low time(sub 1500 hr) pilots to operate into their airports.
These US regionals were the first to lower the profession into a minimum wage job where pilots, including Captains were sleep on crewroom couches because they couldn’t afford a Crashpad or to live at their base, you are completely ignoring the history and how we got here and how they ended up where they are.
Pilots will take the job offered to them, without another better offer, the investment they made into their future is not for you to decide.
In other words, put up or shut up! Create a petition and get politicians on board or sit back and whine about pilots signing bonds, your choice but I suspect most here are tired of your incessant complaining