sportingrifle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:12 pm
Steep turns, 2 engine non- precision approach, single engine ILS. Speeds , pitch, and power settings all given to you beforehand, all raw data. Pretty basic stuff. (Unless you are one of the few who has spent 2000+ hours in an airplane and managed to avoid acquiring the most basic of flying skills . Or fudged their logbook.)
You're really not getting it SportingRifle...what is the root issue here...the sim eval or the fact Air Canada now NEEDS a sim eval to weed out candidates?
Why do properly compensated airlines NOT need this??
My point exactly.
My comment about the raw data NDB hold was to make a joke about how useless some of this stuff is.
With the demise of Lynx and Flair floating in quicksand wouldn’t the AC Pilot Recruitment drop box be full of “ talent “ applications despite the starting remuneration.
Old fella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:25 am
With the demise of Lynx and Flair floating in quicksand wouldn’t the AC Pilot Recruitment drop box be full of “ talent “ applications despite the starting remuneration.
Just because you have a type rating doesn't automatically make you a great employee
Also, many simply can't afford it. Do you realize how bad starting pay is at AC? It's literally poverty
Imagine the Leafs need a 4th line fwd and they have no draft picks to develop because they’ve traded them all away. There’s a player with 6 years pro and years of film and data on. There’s also a 18 year old playing midget. Let’s bring him in for a shootout to make sure he can play hockey.
Your rink is full every night and you hide money in the floorboards. Choose wisely. Now guess why the “Leafs” can’t win shit.
Dockjock wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:50 am
Imagine the Leafs need a 4th line fwd and they have no draft picks to develop because they’ve traded them all away. There’s a player with 6 years pro and years of film and data on. There’s also a 18 year old playing midget. Let’s bring him in for a shootout to make sure he can play hockey.
Your rink is full every night and you hide money in the floorboards. Choose wisely. Now guess why the “Leafs” can’t win shit.
It will be interesting with their "take what you can get for $50k Alexs" strategy in what draft picks they have got in the last little while
All these people are now in the pipeline with seniority #s. They will be the Captains and the Widebody Captains of Air Canada one day...
Freshredmeat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:26 am
Air Canada is a $7,000,000,000 Market Cap. Say 500 pilots this year hired for an extra $50k. 500 x $50k is 25,000,000.
Market Cap has little to do with payroll and cashflow. These are the types of comments that reinforce pilots stick to doing pilot things. It's embarrassing really.
Historically it was almost unheard of. Post Covid, while not common, it is an order of magnitude greater than it used to be. What makes this puzzling is that it is actually much harder to get fired now than it used to be.
Talking to friends who are check airman at American and Delta, I think it is still pretty easy for a probationary pilot to get fired. As an example, we have memos directing us that we shouldn’t be on our cell phones while operating the airplane. (Duh.) At AA or Delta if you do that it is your last day there.
To be fair to the bench staff, what are they supposed to do. Harold Ballard has forced their hand and all they can afford is Alan Bester in net and Giveaway Gill on the blue line. They’re praying to the gods of Saskatchewan to deliver a Wendel Clark miracle. Open Tryouts? Hell, do it. Next step charging to apply.
Hopefully Dougie Gilmour and Dave Andreychuk and Gary Roberts are still available and interested once the old man moves on and the keys to the safe are recovered.
Freshredmeat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:26 am
Air Canada is a $7,000,000,000 Market Cap. Say 500 pilots this year hired for an extra $50k. 500 x $50k is 25,000,000.
Market Cap has little to do with payroll and cashflow. These are the types of comments that reinforce pilots stick to doing pilot things. It's embarrassing really.
Lol...
Market capitalization shows how much a company is worth. It allows investors to size up a company based on how valuable the public perceives it to be which is huge for ammo for obtaining contractual gains
You don't like Market Cap, how about the $2 billion in profit in 2023
I think both things can be true, it's not mutually exclusive. It's a pay and experience issue. Yes, AC is not getting the candidates it should because they don't want to pay. But since they are only getting 2000hr candidates now, they have to deal with the possible 'shallower experience' levels as sportingrifle said. The career trajectory to AC is becoming less varied due to the market these days...
Of course that doesn't make me sympathetic to the company... it's still self-inflicted.
Exaggerations like this don't help your case though. It's bad, but it's not poverty.
Sorry?? Where do you live that 58k/yr isn't poverty? Especially with a mortgage, or a car payment, or kids, or rent even?
The only ones on this salary not living in poverty are still shacked up with mommy and daddy.
$58K is a shitty salary and completely inappropriate for a professional airline pilot, but it's far from poverty.
You really don't know poverty or how to balance your spending if you can't make it on that.
Car payments? iPhones? Vacations? Stuff? They are all luxuries. Not affording them is not poverty.
By definition "Poverty is about not having enough money to meet basic needs including food, clothing and shelter."
I am not sure what the net pay is each month year 1 at AC but I know what the "shelter" prices are like in lower mainland. I know guys with no car as you say, surviving in shared rooms..
Eating ramen..
Clutching at straws..
Yeah... I guess they have enough money to meet basic needs so.. sure, ~poverty~ isn't EXACTLY correct.
