Are New E2 FOs Screwed?

[flyinhigh]

with that being said what is the timeline for a new E2 FO to upgrade?

Not sure. No one has done it yet. We will let you know once it happens

So how’d it go? Couple guys upgraded. Comments if you know?

Yes a handful of the senior FOs upgraded, all went well.

[kilocharliemike]

Are you in training?

Any particulars in the process that one should be more aware of?

Cheers

[CaptDukeNukem]

with that being said what is the timeline for a new E2 FO to upgrade?

Not sure. No one has done it yet. We will let you know once it happens

So how’d it go? Couple guys upgraded. Comments if you know?

Cool. Quoting a post from May.

I don’t particularly know how it went but these guys clearly made it through the upgrade training so I’m gonna say good.

More to come I’m sure. DEC hiring has stopped. It’s all transfers and upgrades for a while, I would say

[kilocharliemike]

Cool. Quoting a post from May.

I don’t particularly know how it went but these guys clearly made it through the upgrade training so I’m gonna say good.

More to come I’m sure. DEC hiring has stopped. It’s all transfers and upgrades for a while, I would say

Yes the program was not approved yet, so quoting like a bump because now a few have gone through.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Yes good point. Sorry, did not mean to sound aggressive.

It’s approved now. Things are moving albeit a little slow. There has only been one class of E2 FOs to CAs thus far and that class was 4 people

[cjp]

with that being said what is the timeline for a new E2 FO to upgrade?

Not sure. No one has done it yet. We will let you know once it happens

One non-Q FO was apart of the last upgrade class, the other 3 were former Q Capt-E2 FOs in the 4K seniority level. He is Vancouver based, seniority 9K. E2 Class 1 directs were seniority 7K for perspective. Vancouver, for now, is a very junior base. I think current hiring seniority numbers for class 27/28 are 12K.

[dogfood]

Alot of the e2 fos are upgradable and there is a large amount of q capts that have not been moved over yet with higher seniority. They are struggling to fill q upgrade groundschools. Pretty sure everyone here can read the writing on the walls of what's going happen.

[goingnowherefast]

I suppose they could require a bunch of transport category pic for e2 captain. Basically forcing people to go q400 captain for a bit first. On the flip side of that coin, they also might as well give every e2 FO a helping hand with their AC application. As discussed in the other thread, it's a pay cut to go e2 FO to q400 captain. Also the reward of working harder for the less money too.

It's time. Seems like they've created a system where people are forced out the door, or into an undesirable position. They're trying everything except making the q400 position more desirable. Hopefully proper negotiating resources can help sort out the mess.

[MD11]

I suppose they could require a bunch of transport category pic for e2 captain. Basically forcing people to go q400 captain for a bit first. On the flip side of that coin, they also might as well give every e2 FO a helping hand with their AC application. As discussed in the other thread, it's a pay cut to go e2 FO to q400 captain. Also the reward of working harder for the less money too.

It's time. Seems like they've created a system where people are forced out the door, or into an undesirable position. They're trying everything except making the q400 position more desirable. Hopefully proper negotiating resources can help sort out the mess.

I have not heard of anyone actually going from E2 to Q Captain. It makes no sense and I believe the company knows it but will 100% push anyone towards it if they inquire. It's also sketchy to send someone with no Q time to be PIC when everyone knows flying an E2 is much less complex/demanding.

Agree with them pushing pilots away at a fast rate. Biggest problem is the insane penny pinching happening and constantly degrading QofL. Apart from expats who have a few years left, there are only a handful of pilots considering staying and only due to their seniority. Any recent hires are off to or already at AC. This place has tons of work and money to put into making it a career destination.

[canadianfly]

Have the feeling that E2 hiring slowed down or even stopped, can someone confirm please??

[cjp]

Have the feeling that E2 hiring slowed down or even stopped, can someone confirm please??

Still rolling. Classes I believe through January - 20-25 candidates. Dash Captain/FOs and external FOs. No DECs.

[8895]

Have the feeling that E2 hiring slowed down or even stopped, can someone confirm please??

Still rolling. Classes I believe through January - 20-25 candidates. Dash Captain/FOs and external FOs. No DECs.

Supposedly this December class was supposed to be the last until spring time next year with the pause on deliveries, but with the current E2 FO/Q captain attrition I’d be interested to see what happens

[flyingpilot]

Any updates on when the new benchmark will come out and what else is going to be improved if any?

[cjp]

Any updates on when the new benchmark will come out and what else is going to be improved if any?

All quiet for now. Fingers crossed first two weeks of December.

[flyingpilot]

Feels like its taking forever for the non alpa contract to come out. Updates anyone?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Feels like its taking forever for the non alpa contract to come out. Updates anyone?

Pilot call tomorrow. I assume it’s then.

[cdnavater]

Feels like its taking forever for the non alpa contract to come out. Updates anyone?

Pilot call tomorrow. I assume it’s then.

Is this where you might get the details, are you still voting on whatever it is?

[CaptDukeNukem]

Feels like its taking forever for the non alpa contract to come out. Updates anyone?

Pilot call tomorrow. I assume it’s then.

Is this where you might get the details, are you still voting on whatever it is?

The company has not disclosed when the benchmarking will be announced. However, there is a pilot virtual call scheduled for tomorrow and historically, December has been when they announce the changes.

There will be two different “contracts”.

The financials will be the same for both. However QOL changes will differ and will be voted on.

[cdnavater]

Pilot call tomorrow. I assume it’s then.

Is this where you might get the details, are you still voting on whatever it is?

The company has not disclosed when the benchmarking will be announced. However, there is a pilot virtual call scheduled for tomorrow and historically, December has been when they announce the changes.

There will be two different “contracts”.

The financials will be the same for both. However QOL changes will differ and will be voted on.

Oh ok, good luck, hopefully it’s good stuff for you guys, you have been setting the bar for the rest of us peons!

[flyingpilot]

so did porter release the new benchmark?

[Teeg]

nope

[BaldChewbacca]

Porter decided to wait longer. Benchmark should be around Christmas now. I guess the longer they push it, the more money they save

[8895]

Porter decided to wait longer. Benchmark should be around Christmas now. I guess the longer they push it, the more money they save

AC attrition go brrrrr in the meantime though. Be interesting to see if this blows up in their face. With all the cold calling CS is doing right now trying to staff flights seems kinda ballsy.

[Teeg]

Porter decided to wait longer. Benchmark should be around Christmas now. I guess the longer they push it, the more money they save

AC attrition go brrrrr in the meantime though. Be interesting to see if this blows up in their face. With all the cold calling CS is doing right now trying to staff flights seems kinda ballsy.

itll all work out once the christmas rush is done

[flyingpilot]

Does anyone think porter pilots will make significant gains in the new contract? Is it going to focus more on FOs (since they are losing FOs)?