DEC E2. Still hiring OTS?

[braaap Braap]

Could be true. They’re not offering position to a long time King Air training captain whose respected, gets along with everyone throughout the organization and all flight crews have nothing but positive things to say about them.

Maybe they should try getting some more 1900 right seat time

[cjp]

Oh this guy.

Turboprop only, unless from Porter Dash, need not concern themselves with DEC on the E2.

[Speedbrakes]

Maybe hiring committees look for the old school type where it’s my way only. The type we get shown each year in CRM class of not to be.

This is absolutely false.

Could be true. They’re not offering position to a long time King Air training captain whose respected, gets along with everyone throughout the organization and all flight crews have nothing but positive things to say about them.

Could be. But isn't.

[runway29]

From a source within Training, there are no DEC classes until the foreseeable future. The Upgrade programs (both from Q4 Captains/E2 FOs to E2 Captains) are on the go.

[AmNotAnonymous]

From a source within Training, there are no DEC classes until the foreseeable future. The Upgrade programs (both from Q4 Captains/E2 FOs to E2 Captains) are on the go.

Does anybody have any update on the matter ? I heard that the aircraft deliveries are getting pushed over and over ?

[C-GGGQ]

Unlikely to see DEC in the near future. Delivery delays are true, but also transfer from Q to E2 and just plain upgrades from FO are now in full swing.

[cdnavater]

Unlikely to see DEC in the near future. Delivery delays are true, but also transfer from Q to E2 and just plain upgrades from FO are now in full swing.

Curious, what is the percentage of FOs that qualify for the upgrade and what matrix do they use for that?

[C-GGGQ]

Percentage I have no Idea. Matrix is the following though

[flyinhigh]

Curious, what is the percentage of FOs that qualify for the upgrade and what matrix do they use for that?

Not sure of exact numbers, however of the 230ish FOs on the E2, there is probably around 40-50 who are qualified for Left seat.

[cjp]

Curious, what is the percentage of FOs that qualify for the upgrade and what matrix do they use for that?

Not sure of exact numbers, however of the 230ish FOs on the E2, there is probably around 40-50 who are qualified for Left seat.

Meeting a matrix and being qualified are two different things when it comes to the left seat

FO's would likely fall into the exceeding 3000 TT, with 1000 hours on type to bid for an upgrade. Those from the Dash with PIC time from the PAI could fall into one of three other rows. For many of them TT is not a factor, it's just feeling comfortable and confident to upgrade as it's still a fairly new facet to the operation that they've become accustomed to.

[flyinhigh]

Curious, what is the percentage of FOs that qualify for the upgrade and what matrix do they use for that?

Not sure of exact numbers, however of the 230ish FOs on the E2, there is probably around 40-50 who are qualified for Left seat.

Meeting a matrix and being qualified are two different things when it comes to the left seat

FO's would likely fall into the exceeding 3000 TT, with 1000 hours on type to bid for an upgrade. Those from the Dash with PIC time from the PAI could fall into one of three other rows. For many of them TT is not a factor, it's just feeling comfortable and confident to upgrade as it's still a fairly new facet to the operation that they've become accustomed to.

I didn’t mention the DH8 operation, only the E2. So yes there is likely around 50 FOs who qualify (these would be highly experienced individuals who were previous 705 captains elsewhere or Porter).

DH8 capts sliding over I have no idea to the E2, I have no idea what possible numbers are.

[Speedbrakes]

Wasn't there a comment in the recent pilot communication that they will run out of upgradeable FOs by mid year? So that could lead one to believe that we can expect DEC hiring to start up again around that time.

[cjp]

Not sure of exact numbers, however of the 230ish FOs on the E2, there is probably around 40-50 who are qualified for Left seat.

Meeting a matrix and being qualified are two different things when it comes to the left seat

FO's would likely fall into the exceeding 3000 TT, with 1000 hours on type to bid for an upgrade. Those from the Dash with PIC time from the PAI could fall into one of three other rows. For many of them TT is not a factor, it's just feeling comfortable and confident to upgrade as it's still a fairly new facet to the operation that they've become accustomed to.

I didn’t mention the DH8 operation, only the E2. So yes there is likely around 50 FOs who qualify (these would be highly experienced individuals who were previous 705 captains elsewhere or Porter).

DH8 capts sliding over I have no idea to the E2, I have no idea what possible numbers are.

I mentioned the Dash because there are several former Dash Captain's who bid right seat E2, who are upgrading and would fall under a different row in the matrix.

Being experienced, and exceeding a matrix doesn't always guarantee they (upgrading pilots, not just Porter) have the leadership skills or attitude to upgrade. They might fly the aircraft well, but not play nice with others.

It is a complicated and dynamic situation regarding bypass, current E2 FOs, both DE and PAI, future staffing levels and FOAG.

[fliter]

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