Seniority for now.Hysteria wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:08 pmSeniority bidding or socialized bidding at flair ?
Pilot Hiring 2025
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Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
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Read Flair also had YOW & YUL as port bases how does that work considering they are about to hire almost entirely for YYZ… Could one in the hiring pool ask for a port base once indoc is all done or are they offered through seniority bidding?
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Read Flair also had YOW & YUL as port bases how does that work considering they are about to hire almost entirely for YYZ… Could one in the hiring pool ask for a port base once indoc is all done or are they offered through seniority bidding?
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Our overall numbers have been fine, we haven't needed to recruit. We do have a base imbalance though where we are short First Officers in YYZ and heavy elsewhere in the network. That will be addressed with Q1 2025 hiring as it will almost all be in YYZ.
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Read Flair also had YOW & YUL as port bases how does that work considering they are about to hire almost entirely for YYZ… Could one in the hiring pool ask for a port base once indoc is all done or are they offered through seniority bidding?
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Read Flair also had YOW & YUL as port bases how does that work considering they are about to hire almost entirely for YYZ… Could one in the hiring pool ask for a port base once indoc is all done or are they offered through seniority bidding?
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Because we're not short staffed, just short on the FO side. Lots of junior Captains fly either seat as necessary. If management has decided to hire more FO, it could mean a couple different things; more aircraft coming, or more attrition expected with AC's pay raise.
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Or it could mean that they’ve figured out that paying captains to fly right seat is expensiveco-joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 pmBecause we're not short staffed, just short on the FO side. Lots of junior Captains fly either seat as necessary. If management has decided to hire more FO, it could mean a couple different things; more aircraft coming, or more attrition expected with AC's pay raise.
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Why don’t you guys hire experienced king air captains to fill the First Officer spots?co-joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 pmBecause we're not short staffed, just short on the FO side. Lots of junior Captains fly either seat as necessary. If management has decided to hire more FO, it could mean a couple different things; more aircraft coming, or more attrition expected with AC's pay raise.
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Were any of the King Airs you flew painted white, black and green? You need white, black and green king air time for Flair to consider you.KN84 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:10 amWhy don’t you guys hire experienced king air captains to fill the First Officer spots?co-joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 pmBecause we're not short staffed, just short on the FO side. Lots of junior Captains fly either seat as necessary. If management has decided to hire more FO, it could mean a couple different things; more aircraft coming, or more attrition expected with AC's pay raise.
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That's a tbaylx question, likely we will hire King Air or 1900 sized aircraft Captains, as we have in the past few years, but I'm sure if we can get 705 experienced crews, they are easier to train.KN84 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:10 amWhy don’t you guys hire experienced king air captains to fill the First Officer spots?co-joe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 pmBecause we're not short staffed, just short on the FO side. Lots of junior Captains fly either seat as necessary. If management has decided to hire more FO, it could mean a couple different things; more aircraft coming, or more attrition expected with AC's pay raise.
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Is there an estimate or a number of how many are slated for interview?
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Our recruitment team will be interviewing throughout the month of November and into early December. Likely around 150 interviews or so.
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Hi tbaylx, how many people are you planning to hire for the upcoming group school, and is there any update on the current status of the hiring pool? Thx!
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We're targeting approximately 16 in January and 16 in February for now. The recruiting team will stay in touch with those in the pool and offers will start going out in mid December for the January class
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The pool means those who passed the interview? or when they will find out they passed? when do references get called?tbaylx wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:53 amWe're targeting approximately 16 in January and 16 in February for now. The recruiting team will stay in touch with those in the pool and offers will start going out in mid December for the January class
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If successful, when will candidates sign the offer letter (and reject other received offers)? Are the invitations the actual offer letters?
Any update on hiring?
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The screening process is rigorous, with only 32 out of 150 candidates being selected, and I believe all 150 pilots meet Flair’s requirements. If Canadian airlines do not introduce more airplanes in the future, it will become increasingly difficult to become an airline pilot.
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Man you sound like a computerZhangxs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:58 pm The screening process is rigorous, with only 32 out of 150 candidates being selected, and I believe all 150 pilots meet Flair’s requirements. If Canadian airlines do not introduce more airplanes in the future, it will become increasingly difficult to become an airline pilot.
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I wouldn’t say it’s becoming difficult compared to 15-20 years ago where you had regularly had 10000 hour metro captains with 5000 hour FO’s sitting beside them. Having to hold an ATPL to sit right seat and 5000 hours to hold the left seat in a large jet is still pretty reasonable. If AC spools up their hiring again and Porter keeps getting aircraft I think it will continue to be a good time in the industry. We’ve had Lynx exit the market which has given some breathing room for the remaining operators, but more aircraft are coming to basically all the operators over the next 12 months which will continue to require two bums up front.
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Hello, Has anyone heard back yet for Jan GS class offers? Still no word on my side.
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Received an offer today for Jan GS. I have been in the pool since this summer.arcticflyer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:43 pm Hello, Has anyone heard back yet for Jan GS class offers? Still no word on my side.
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Any idea when the November Interview guys should get offers?
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Does that mean you won’t be taking any 250 hour iATPL students?tbaylx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:37 pmWe've hired many pilots without 705 experience, in some cases without multi-engine experience or high-performance aircraft experience. After many years of hiring analysis, our most successful candidates are those who come from a 705 background on a Q400, CRJ, EMB or similar. They are familiar with airline operations, scheduling, and operating into the same type of airports Flair does. They have also typically worked a 703/704 job before their employment at a 705 carrier.KN84 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:26 pmWhy doesn’t Flair give applicants without 705 experience an opportunity? What issues do for example an experienced king air training captain with FMS glass cockpit experience have to transition to 705 ops?tbaylx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:47 am
From our website
Captain
must have a minimum of 5,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
500+ PIC hours on jet aircraft above 75 000 pounds, or 1000+ hours on B737NG/MAX (B73C)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL)
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks
first officer
must have a minimum of 1,000 hours total time (fixed-wing)
must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States
ability to obtain and maintain a Restricted Area Identification Card (RAIC)
valid Transport Canada Airline Transport Pilot’s License (ATPL) or Commercial Pilot License with either IATRA or SAMRA/SARON exams completed
valid Category 1 medical
must have English and/or French language proficiency
clear background and criminal record checks
upgrades
must have a minimum of 4,000 hours of total time
at least one recurrent PPC to Captain standards
complete the command upgrade program
Competitive candidates will have over 1500 hours with turboprop experience and ideally 705 operations experience.
That isn't to say we don't hire pilots who have never flown in a 705 operation, we do often. But if we have a choice between candidates for a given position and both scored equally well on the interview process, we'll often prioritize the Q400/EMB/CRJ candidate from Jazz, Encore, PASCO, Porter etc. I don't think we're alone in that preference.
Previous experience is only one piece of the hiring puzzle. We put more emphasis on interview and COMPASS testing scores than if you've worked at a 705 or not.
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No, we're really looking forward to welcoming our first cadet graduates in June of this year.Found wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:17 amDoes that mean you won’t be taking any 250 hour iATPL students?tbaylx wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:37 pmWe've hired many pilots without 705 experience, in some cases without multi-engine experience or high-performance aircraft experience. After many years of hiring analysis, our most successful candidates are those who come from a 705 background on a Q400, CRJ, EMB or similar. They are familiar with airline operations, scheduling, and operating into the same type of airports Flair does. They have also typically worked a 703/704 job before their employment at a 705 carrier.
That isn't to say we don't hire pilots who have never flown in a 705 operation, we do often. But if we have a choice between candidates for a given position and both scored equally well on the interview process, we'll often prioritize the Q400/EMB/CRJ candidate from Jazz, Encore, PASCO, Porter etc. I don't think we're alone in that preference.
Previous experience is only one piece of the hiring puzzle. We put more emphasis on interview and COMPASS testing scores than if you've worked at a 705 or not.