SHOW UNITY. VOTE NO!

[BrassCraft]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

[Dias]

Nice try. You're dealing with people that grew up on the internet.

[crystalpizza]

I hate to flip-flop. I'm voting NO. I was waiting to see what would fall our way this week to sway the vote. Answer. NOT MUCH.

The company left too many "low to no cost items" on the table. Profit share jacked out of reach is just a nasty move akin to stripping us of our B1's. They haven't been returned either.

WE HAVE BEEN DISRESPECTED. I can NOT get that out of my head.


First thing Tuesday morning, I'm casting my F-NO ballot to this substandard AIP "steaming heap". Join me.




FWIW, 40% isn't anywhere near the 58% required to get us back to 2002 wages plus inflation alone. RETURNING TO A FORMER WAGE IS NOT A RAISE. Not even getting close to our "adjusted former wage" is another insult. Remember, this insult is being used as the biggest selling point.

F-the MEC for sending us this sell-out. Under the new terms, they get the biggest pay uplift of all. DO YOUR JOB THEN. Back to the table.

I'm going to feel way better about myself for voting with my "spidy senses" on this one, I bet you will as well.

Right behind ya chief.

Been seeing lots of discussion and worry about "what happens if we vote no" and other logistics. Frankly these matters are all secondary, not our responsibility to worry about at this point, and basing one's vote on these things is unprofessional. The deal is either good enough for you or it's not - vote accordingly, that's the point of having a vote in the first place. It also serves as our largest opportunity to choose whether to let someone else determine what our worth is; or not.

Don't pick the easy way out.

[cdnavater]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

Yikes, I’m thinking you are unfit for duty!

[BTD]

I am neither a yes nor no vote at this point. It comes down to the each persons risk assessment. Doing a calculation of risk and assessing it as too great to vote no does not necessarily mean fear. It is simply a practical application of logic. Each person will evaluate the risk based on their own set of risk tolerance metrics no different than investing.

Make the argument for voting no. Don’t come on here and threaten. That is no different than the left wing extremists that demand you follow their way or else they will destroy your life. It’s pathetic. Voting no, doesn’t equate to some tough, no nonsense hero. It can be as dogmatic as a hardcore yes voter.

We had a lot of unity and trust built up by this MEC over the last 15 months. They have done exactly what they promised since they took over the MEC of ACPA 2 years ago. If you really trust them, their opinions should carry weight. If you immediately throw out their opinion simply because it is different than yours, then you never believed in them in the first place. Same as an FO who has a different perspective than you. Toss aside their opinion at your peril. We have seen numerous accidents of the years because a captain believed they knew better. That doesn’t mean you can’t disagree, but to simply cast the opinion aside because it differs from your shows a lack of maturity of immense proportions. Get over yourself and your own opinions.

Vote no, and shut up. Quit whining about how it sucks to be you. Just vote no if that is your perspective.

And for the record. No matter how anyone votes , they are always welcome in my jump seat. I am an adult and can recognize that people trying their best can still come to different conclusions based on the info in front of them.

Take your “agree with me or else logic” and go hang out with the hardcore left wing and right wing chumps living in an ideological dreamworld.

[Bede]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

Holy crap! Thats the most insane thing ive read on here.

[BrassCraft]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

Yikes, I’m thinking you are unfit for duty!

Furthermore, after we vote alpa must make who voted yes/no available to the membership. Those who vote incorrectly must face drastic consequences!

[Aerkavo]

Furthermore, after we vote alpa must make who voted yes/no available to the membership. Those who vote incorrectly must face drastic consequences!

You're a looney (in my best Monty Python voice).

[cdnavater]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

Yikes, I’m thinking you are unfit for duty!

Furthermore, after we vote alpa must make who voted yes/no available to the membership. Those who vote incorrectly must face drastic consequences!

Doubling down on the crazy!

[BrassCraft]

Doubling down on the crazy!
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You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!

[Bede]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!
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What if the TA passes? Do all the no voters get to live with the consequence too?

[mantogasrsrwy]

Ensuring Accountability in Our Vote

As we approach the vote, I want to stress that we need to hold each other accountable for the decisions that affect our careers and safety. For those who are openly planning to vote "yes" need to face real consequences.

1. **Deny Jump Seats**: Anyone about to vote "yes" should face the consequence of being denied access to jump seats. We need to ensure those who are making decisions that could negatively impact us aren't given free rides on the backs of those of us voting responsibly.

2. **Report Unfit for Duty**: If you find yourself crewed with someone who is openly advocating for or has expressed intent to vote "yes," you should report them as unfit for duty. If they're not in the right mindset to consider the long-term consequences of their vote, can they be trusted to perform safely and effectively on the job? NO they can’t!

While this may cause some confrontation do not engage in verbal or physical abuse, let the police take care of those about to commit treason.

We must make it clear that there are tangible repercussions for the choices people make in this vote. Our safety, job security, and future depend on it. Let's stay united and protect what matters most.

I bet your partners book off sick a lot.

[BrassCraft]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!

What if the TA passes? Do all the no voters get to live with the consequence too?
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If it passes the consequences are clear for all, a shit contract.

[BTD]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!
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No matter what way this goes, we will all have to live with the consequences.

Instead of rational argument to convince why a no vote is the correct choice, you use threats. I do not know you in real life, but your online persona here is that of a weak bully.

Make a case instead of acting the way a tyrant would. Your views expressed here are pathetic, and I pity your intellectual close mindedness. And what amounts to grade school intimidation.

You are still welcome in my jump seat, but I would happily pass up yours. I struggle daily with which way I will vote on this TA. I really wish it weren’t brought to us, but I also accept that CH and the rest of the MEC are at least genuine in their position. That’s not to say they haven’t made mistakes.

I am also a big boy and don’t need everyone to like me. And threats about police dealing with traitors, or book offs if I happen to end up voting yes don’t intimidate me. I’ve been rolling Jiu jitsu for a number of years with cops, corrections officers and fire fighters etc. I get smashed regularly by some scary mother f#ckers, and I occasionally come out on top. So take your intimidation and threats and get bent.

[BrassCraft]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!

No matter what way this goes, we will all have to live with the consequences.

Instead of rational argument to convince why a no vote is the correct choice, you use threats. I do not know you in real life, but your online persona here is that of a weak bully.

Make a case instead of acting the way a tyrant would. Your views expressed here are pathetic, and I pity your intellectual close mindedness. And what amounts to grade school intimidation.

You are still welcome in my jump seat, but I would happily pass up yours. I struggle daily with which way I will vote on this TA. I really wish it weren’t brought to us, but I also accept that CH and the rest of the MEC are at least genuine in their position. That’s not to say they haven’t made mistakes.

I am also a big boy and don’t need everyone to like me. And threats about police dealing with traitors, or book offs if I happen to end up voting yes don’t intimidate me. I’ve been rolling Jiu jitsu for a number of years with cops, corrections officers and fire fighters etc. I get smashed regularly by some scary mother f#ckers, and I occasionally come out on top. So take your intimidation and threats and get bent.
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I specifically said to avoid physical confrontation and verbal abuse. You sir are the one threatening violence!

[Mr. North]

I'm just here to say "I told ya so" to all the No voters should this TA fail and we invariably get a worse deal 6-12 months down the road.

[BTD]

Nope. Try again.

I’ll narrow it down. You are using threats and intimidation to influence the way people are going to vote. I say use good arguments and make a case.

I also said I pity your narrow perspective and methods.

Lastly, I do engage in violence multiple times per week with mutual agreement from the participants. Some of these guys are some pretty scary dudes and I regularly get smashed by them. Ergo, your intimidation and threats fall flat. No where did I threaten the use of violence on you or anyone else.

Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the “scary dudes” I brought up are, at the end of the day, usually excellent training partners.

I reiterate, your views expressed above regarding outcomes for those who vote yes are pathetic. Stop whimpering, make an argument, then go and vote no.

[RippleRock]

BrassCraft joined a WEEK AGO. Less than 10 posts, most are on this thread.


Come on guys. Why engage a troll???

Seriously.

[khedrei]

He's surely a troll. But there is no need for additional arguments on why to vote no. They have been made very well by many. It seems to me that the only argument the "yes" side has is "they told us to because if we don't we might get worse at arbitration".

If you vote on the merits, the vote is easy. The trouble is your union leaders and stoking fear to influence the vote. They should have presented it, and said NOTHING else. I would have expected to company to try and sell it to you, not the union.

[canadianfly]

If this TA passes, above all, the message we are sending to management is that:

- All those years that we have been day dreaming about becoming a pilot...
- All those side jobs and the student loan we took to pay our training...
- All those hours that we spent preparing for our writtens...
- All those rough days and nights we spend up north...
- All those birthdays, weddings, funerals, nights wife and kids sleeping alone at home and important days we are missing...

Are WORTH 45$/hr after taxes.

[thepoors]

but I also accept that CH and the rest of the MEC are at least genuine in their position. That’s not to say they haven’t made mistakes.

Curious how you've reached this conclusion.

If indeed they are being "genuine" now, doesn't that mean they were just blatantly lying to us the past 12 months?

[BrassCraft]

EDITED. Post constructively, or not at all.

[tango308]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!
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Please surrender your medical to the nearest authority. You are literally sick in the head.

[BrassCraft]

Doubling down on the crazy!

You are free to vote however you want, however you will have to live with the consequences!

Please surrender your medical to the nearest authority. You are literally sick in the head.
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You vote for the ndp, don’t you. I have a different opinion than you so I must be mentally challenged. Pound sand.

[RippleRock]

He's surely a troll. But there is no need for additional arguments on why to vote no. They have been made very well by many. It seems to me that the only argument the "yes" side has is "they told us to because if we don't we might get worse at arbitration".

If you vote on the merits, the vote is easy. The trouble is your union leaders and stoking fear to influence the vote. They should have presented it, and said NOTHING else. I would have expected to company to try and sell it to you, not the union.

It's been a 100% "ACPA show" since the 15th, sell job and all.

How everything imploded so fast could be the subject of a friggin book.

I'm soo disillusioned with ALPA right now.

No more goofy lanyards. What a joke. Thinking of dusting off my AC Black. There is NO WAY in hell I'm wearing the "Strike Ready" lanyard when Charlene is voting yes. I'll look like clown.

Still voting NO.