Tsb report out on 2023 piper saratoga fatal crash

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pelmet wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:48 pm
digits_ wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:45 pm Some will undoubtedly disagree, but religion usually has a bigger influence on ones life and mindset than golf. Investigating a pilot's mindset during an incident can teach us a lot, or possibly nothing. But it's still worth investigating.
Bottom line, wanting to make an event, regardless of reason, is frequently the problem.

While the underlying reason for that want may be higher than other reasons(such as the event of delivering an organ to a needy patient), that debate would be better discussed on a separate thread.
Agreed, and I say all of the below as a non-religious person.

Many pilots have died due to get-there-itis for a multitude of reasons. I would hazard a guess that simply needing to get home (whether to see family, not miss work or a medical appointment, need to get the aircraft back to base, etc) would be the biggest contributing factor to poor pilot-decision-making leading to fatal results. It would be a much more common reason for pushing limits as opposed to attending religious events or going to a golf seminar.

The reason for the get-there-itis is irrelevant. What is relevant is that a pilot needed or wanted to get somewhere for some reason, and pushed themselves and/or their aircraft to the edge of their capabilities, then finding out the hard way that the situation they put themselves in was beyond their abilities.

The first hole in the swiss cheese might be the reason for the trip, but there are lots of holes after that which lead to the crash. Stop making it sound like religion is the big smoking hole in the preverbal cheese block.
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Longer to play out, but not dissimilar…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmzy8ZPgtc
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CensoredLF wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:34 am I know this area well. 100 of my 300 hours are mountain time. I would never have gone past Ghost Lake with that weather. I hope I would have stayed on the ground to begin with.

So sad, so unnecessary.
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I was at the airport that night doing some Sim work and then planning to go fly. The weather was terrible and I cancelled. So it was a terrible decision to go fly in the mountains that night.
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8 posts of shit by rookie and digits stay up and my post calling them out on their shit and asking the mods to moderate their shit get deleted.

Pitiful.
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SpyPilot wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:20 am 8 posts of shit by rookie and digits stay up and my post calling them out on their shit and asking the mods to moderate their shit get deleted.

Pitiful.
How about the above post is deleted and focus remain on the accident cause.
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Good advice for digits and rookie.

The finding as to the leading probable cause will be released in due course. Undoubtably, the findings will be similar to those before this investigation and to the ones to follow.

I'm leaning towards PDM and IIMC.

A plastic Jesus on the glareshield of the airplane will not be mentioned as a contributing factor.
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SpyPilot wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:20 am 8 posts of shit by rookie and digits stay up and my post calling them out on their shit and asking the mods to moderate their shit get deleted.

Pitiful.
Was there a clamoring from the masses for you to call out?
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No clamoring. Just a desire to call out shit when I read it.
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SpyPilot wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:52 pm The finding as to the leading probable cause will be released in due course. Undoubtably, the findings will be similar to those before this investigation and to the ones to follow.
They were released on Oct 2:
3.1 Findings as to causes and contributing factors
These are conditions, acts or safety deficiencies that were found to have caused or contributed to this occurrence.

The pilot’s decision to depart was influenced by an incomplete understanding of the weather, familiarity with the route, time pressure, and a personal desire to complete the flight.
When the pilot encountered clouds and reduced visibility, for unknown reasons, he decided to continue the flight toward the destination and, subsequently, the aircraft collided with terrain in the cruise attitude.
Also, it's "undoubtedly". The misspelling is even highlighted for me in your quote in the text editor, so undoubtedly your browser tried to alert you to this egregious error when you originally typed it.
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Indoubatibly.
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SpyPilot wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:20 am Indoubatibly.
Did you perchance mean “indubitably”? :wink:
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