pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 5:26 am
One can see why AI a robots are the future. Zero concern for the average person. Railway and port unions literally willing to screw over the economy by partially shutting it down. Postal strike despite a billion dollars of losses. Never ending ATC shortage. Sclerotic massive government payroll, teachers politicizing education. A revolution is coming but attitudes will make it come faster.
The flow will be changing.
You bash all of these other organizations for "screwing over the economy by partially shutting it down" but you do realize Air Canada pilots were more than willing to strike during their last contract talks, right?
Would you be bashing Air Canada pilots for going on strike too, or is it just whoever is the flavour of the week that merits your outrage?
An AC pilot I know got about a 100K raise with the new contract. I am quite happy for him and he deserves it. AC is doing quite well and should share the wealth. But when both rail unions go on strike or the port workers that will literally put the country in a depression, I have a problem with that. You should too. And yes, I do have a sibling that owns a business that needs supplies to survive.
Ah yes, only people who work in industries that aren't ruled by monopolies deserve to be treated properly and have a right to strike.
If AC pilots, and WJ pilots and Porter pilots (if they ever got a union) would not be allowed to strike at the same time. Strikes are only ok if they don't cause too much damage.
nine sixteenths wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 6:13 pm
Not a good look for a professional pilot to be ranting about another aviation profession like this. Frustrations and emotions run high but this isn’t a good response, particularly the rumour fuelled accusations.
Certainly not a stellar example of professionalism by any stretch. Nav Canada like any major corporation certainly has its areas of “looseness” and I would respectfully suggest Air Canada wanders in that territory as well. I worked at NC for a number of years and know Corporate VPs and Director levels on a personal basis. Rest assured NC VP level(s) made their views known to an equivalent level at Air Canada either via call or follow up letter, especially when the “ rant” so to speak was captured and public aired by the CBC with unfounded accusations. To what extent this public airing translates from Air Canada Mgt levels to that particular employee isn’t for me to speculate. Finally one may wonder what the passengers on that particular flight thought of the “ tirade” - perhaps another issue that may concern Air Canada.
Not what I expected when I was reading about "ranting" and "tirade".
Sounded like a captain who was a bit tired of the situation and tried to use humor a bit to lighten the mood, and probably got caught up in his own word salad.
Unprofessional? Perhaps. But at some point actions like these are needed to fix the problems. I've been reading about excessive ATC delays in CYVR for over 6 years now. It doesn't take 6 years to make a new controller. NavCanada (as an organisation) shouldn't ask/expect professional behaviour in an attempt to mask their own short comings. Politics are a major factor of the problems. Public reports such as these can be quite effective to accomplish political change.
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pelmet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 5:26 am
One can see why AI a robots are the future. Zero concern for the average person. Railway and port unions literally willing to screw over the economy by partially shutting it down. Postal strike despite a billion dollars of losses. Never ending ATC shortage. Sclerotic massive government payroll, teachers politicizing education. A revolution is coming but attitudes will make it come faster.
The flow will be changing.
You bash all of these other organizations for "screwing over the economy by partially shutting it down" but you do realize Air Canada pilots were more than willing to strike during their last contract talks, right?
Would you be bashing Air Canada pilots for going on strike too, or is it just whoever is the flavour of the week that merits your outrage?
An AC pilot I know got about a 100K raise with the new contract. I am quite happy for him and he deserves it. AC is doing quite well and should share the wealth. But when both rail unions go on strike or the port workers that will literally put the country in a depression, I have a problem with that. You should too. And yes, I do have a sibling that owns a business that needs supplies to survive.
You didn't answer my question. Yes or no: Would you have supported Air Canada pilots if they voted to go on strike during the last negotiations?
DHC-1 Jockey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:31 am
You bash all of these other organizations for "screwing over the economy by partially shutting it down" but you do realize Air Canada pilots were more than willing to strike during their last contract talks, right?
Would you be bashing Air Canada pilots for going on strike too, or is it just whoever is the flavour of the week that merits your outrage?
An AC pilot I know got about a 100K raise with the new contract. I am quite happy for him and he deserves it. AC is doing quite well and should share the wealth. But when both rail unions go on strike or the port workers that will literally put the country in a depression, I have a problem with that. You should too. And yes, I do have a sibling that owns a business that needs supplies to survive.
You didn't answer my question. Yes or no: Would you have supported Air Canada pilots if they voted to go on strike during the last negotiations?
I would have to see what the details of an offer they would have been striking about. Seeing as they voted for what they were offered, it appears that the company made an offer that the pilots as a whole were satisfied with. Would it have been nice if the company had offered more? Sure. Especially for the more junior guys. But there will be more negotiations in a few years. I wish the pilots the best next time.
An AC pilot I know got about a 100K raise with the new contract. I am quite happy for him and he deserves it. AC is doing quite well and should share the wealth. But when both rail unions go on strike or the port workers that will literally put the country in a depression, I have a problem with that. You should too. And yes, I do have a sibling that owns a business that needs supplies to survive.
You didn't answer my question. Yes or no: Would you have supported Air Canada pilots if they voted to go on strike during the last negotiations?
I would have to see what the details of an offer they would have been striking about. Seeing as they voted for what they were offered, it appears that the company made an offer that the pilots as a whole were satisfied with. Would it have been nice if the company had offered more? Sure. Especially for the more junior guys. But there will be more negotiations in a few years. I wish the pilots the best next time.
Ok, let's say the company made an offer that Air Canada pilots weren't satisfied with, same as an offer that rail unions, port workers and teachers didn't like (all of whom you bashed by the way). If that were the case, I bet you'd be ok with Air Canada striking if it came to that. You're just coming off as a hypocrite, essentially saying "No one else can strike, except this one select group who I identify with and/or support."
So, I'll ask one last time. You've deflected my question twice now, so either answer it or get off your soap box. Would you have supported Air Canada pilots if they voted to go on strike during the last negotiations?
P.S. You posted a long diatribe about the FAA's hiring practices, but this thread is about NavCanada's ATC issues. Make sure you get the country and organization right next time before you try to make a point.
P.S. You posted a long diatribe about the FAA's hiring practices, but this thread is about NavCanada's ATC issues. Make sure you get the country and organization right next time before you try to make a point.
Why do so many have such foolish ideas. It's like saying we shouldn't use statistics from the US to decide that hard drugs are bad because......they are from a different country.
No point arguing with foolish thought process. If you want to go on strike....I suggest that you go on a wildcat strike tomorrow. I will give you 100% moral support.
P.S. I gave a thoughtful response to your last question demanding a YES or NO answer. Thoughtful obviously does not go well with you.
pelmet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:10 pm
P.S. I gave a thoughtful response to your last question demanding a YES or NO answer. Thoughtful obviously does not go well with you.
You gave a thoughtful response, but no matter how thoughtful, it did not answer my question. This is what you believe is "thoughtful" and posted in response to my yes or no question:
pelmet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:55 am
I would have to see what the details of an offer they would have been striking about. Seeing as they voted for what they were offered, it appears that the company made an offer that the pilots as a whole were satisfied with. Would it have been nice if the company had offered more? Sure. Especially for the more junior guys. But there will be more negotiations in a few years. I wish the pilots the best next time.
If you can find a "yes" or "no" in there, please explain it to me. Otherwise, you just continue to avoid directly answering the question, just as you accuse our government of doing.
Come on. It's simple, unless you're avoiding answering because you realize it torpedo's your argument.. Yes or no. If that's too complex of a question to ask of you, I guess we're done here.
pelmet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:10 pm
P.S. I gave a thoughtful response to your last question demanding a YES or NO answer. Thoughtful obviously does not go well with you.
You gave a thoughtful response, but no matter how thoughtful, it did not answer my question. This is what you believe is "thoughtful" and posted in response to my yes or no question:
pelmet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 9:55 am
I would have to see what the details of an offer they would have been striking about. Seeing as they voted for what they were offered, it appears that the company made an offer that the pilots as a whole were satisfied with. Would it have been nice if the company had offered more? Sure. Especially for the more junior guys. But there will be more negotiations in a few years. I wish the pilots the best next time.
If you can find a "yes" or "no" in there, please explain it to me. Otherwise, you just continue to avoid directly answering the question, just as you accuse our government of doing.
Come on. It's simple, unless you're avoiding answering because you realize it torpedo's your argument.. Yes or no. If that's too complex of a question to ask of you, I guess we're done here.
