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[DontknowJack]

Little Red's 206's don't go into any bush strips, the 1000 hour requirement is strictly for the low vis/ low ceilings that come with the change of season.

The 206 drivers that started in the spring probably started with 300 - 500 hours, and left with 1000. So it's reasonable the Little Red is looking for 1000 hour pilots to fill their spots.

A couple of years ago they fired a "high time" 1000 hour 206 pilot, that worked a full season, in the fall. They brought in a "low timer"... lets just say it didn't work out.

Little Red might have learned from their mistakes.

HD

[cinical]

What Jetway and Endless said.

In my short exposure to the industry....i scared myself more times and learnt more(by making mistakes) in a single piston north of 60, than i did right seat in a twin turbine or capt. on a single pilot ifr navajo(after the single piston time).

I use to feel relieved when crewed on the twin turbine right seat with a day off from single time.....less overall responsibility....and plenty of "outs."
Maybe i'm just a bad pilot and found a single piston a challenge...i was humbled very quickly in my first week or two cut loose. Missed the F/O seat...
Can a 206 be flown safely with less than 1000 hrs...absolutely.....in that environment and with the overall responsibility...absolutely...the learning curve may be exponential though..i know it was for me.
For what its worth.

[Bookem Lou]

DNJ,

Mind if I ask the initials of the two people you are referring to?

[DontknowJack]

I would if I could, but truly I don't remember their initials. It's no secret, anybody that has been there a couple years would know.

[angry inch]

Not that this topic isn't starting to get old or anything... I beleive someone already mentioned a pic requirement for some passengers. I fly a 206 on wheels in BC and one of our main customers is the forest service, who stipulate that any pilot flying their personnel must have 1000hrs pic... we even have to submit an application form laying out specific piloting experience!! Yeah I know, seems a little much, but that's what they want... So, for some operators, if their are no other pilots to cover these "specific" flights, their hands may be tied with regards to who they can hire as far as time is concerned.

[chu me]

Who cares whether you guys think it is a little excessive or not! You are not doing the hiring! If you don't have or don't like the requirements then don't apply!

[Satan's Little Helper]

That's right everybody, listen to chu me.

[Lurch]

Who cares whether you guys think it is a little excessive or not! You are not doing the hiring! If you don't have or don't like the requirements then don't apply!

I don't know how long you've been reading before signing on but the people that complain about the requirements are usually the ones that can't meet them.

I haven't gone back and re-read the previous page but look at the comments on this page and if you notice the ones with enough hours are the ones defending the hour requirement.

[round pounder]

I thought it was north alta a better name might be cabbage patch airways, I wonder if there are any parts that fit on a john deere that will fit on a clapped out BE or 206 any way you look at it I can see the machines turning jd green pretty quick

[C206Pilot]

I've been to fort vermillion and I've been to little reds base. Nice people, nice guys....absolute s@*thole! Sorry to the guys working there, but if you have 1000 hours on a 206, I can't for the life of me figure out why you would willingly move to a town of a population of less than 1000 people...way up there.

Not to mention, everyone reading this, take note...when a company is constantly advertising for the same positions about every 3 - 6 months as little red does, ask yourself why that is...? I'm not trying to bash little red, that goes for any company continuously advertising. Pilots don't normally leave places they like being.

In my experiences, i've found without-a-doubt, normally, the best places to fly are the ones that dont advertise at all...


I will add, so that this isn't completely negative to little red, that they have great pay, great guys, great mechanics and equipment and dont push their pilots in bad weather...its just where it is that sucks and why everyone eventually leaves (some sooner than others)..

[. .]

There are places magnitudes worse than Fort Vermillion to end up for a year or two.

[TripleRomeo]

I've been to fort vermillion and I've been to little reds base. Nice people, nice guys....absolute s@*thole! Sorry to the guys working there, but if you have 1000 hours on a 206, I can't for the life of me figure out why you would willingly move to a town of a population of less than 1000 people...way up there.

Not to mention, everyone reading this, take note...when a company is constantly advertising for the same positions about every 3 - 6 months as little red does, ask yourself why that is...? I'm not trying to bash little red, that goes for any company continuously advertising. Pilots don't normally leave places they like being.

In my experiences, i've found without-a-doubt, normally, the best places to fly are the ones that dont advertise at all...


I will add, so that this isn't completely negative to little red, that they have great pay, great guys, great mechanics and equipment and dont push their pilots in bad weather...its just where it is that sucks and why everyone eventually leaves (some sooner than others)..

C206 I remember meeting you....yah, you are right, for the life of you I can see why you wouldn't understand why someone wouldn't willingly move to a town of less than 1000 people, way up there. Hmmm.... let's start a list?.... I think you are the type that likes lists,... tight ass, white collar, Burlington..:
uncontrolled airspace
opportunity to move to medivac pilot where there is:
lots of night cross country time (long nights half of the year)
lots of good imc conditions
two crew environment and CRM experience. and as far as 206 flying:
gravel strip experience
challenging approaches and landings
changing weather... REAL pilot decisions that managment supports
lots of loading of freight... great weight management program, stay buff
real time experience with W & B calculations
interaction with the native people and their culture
Friday night poker games
social life with some of the best people on the planet
working with some great, and experienced pilots....ie.. lots to learn
tons of food and goodies left at the counter for all to help themselves
new management with a huge vision and money to back it
sunsets to die for
the Peace River

You mention that the company advertises regularly for positions. Yes, they do... business is growing. Also, until now LIttle Red has been a place for pilots to grow and move on. Just so you know there are long time pilots there, some that even come back year after year for part of the season. A good percentage of the employees have met AND married partners in Fort Vermilion and STAY. A good percentage move on... and they are celebrated. But, mark my words, the new management is cooking. Just keep watching.
C206 you missed out.... with your experience you could have stayed, moved up to medivac pilot and then grown with the company. But then again, with your attitude, good that you didn't give it a second thought and good that you don't appreciate the good life that comes with a small community living.
Burlington rocks, but Fort Vermilion is just one of Canada's best kept secrets.

Oh, and with all your "experiences" the best places to fly are the ones that don't advertise.... how would you know? they don't advertise. C206. go out and get some experience, live in a small town and see what its like and then offer your opinion. I think you'll see that the real @##$%hole is the place where you can't breathe because the air is so bad and you can't move because the traffic is all backed up for miles and you can't see the horizon and the stars are lost. And... you NEVER see the northern lights.
Thing about that.

[TripleRomeo]

I've been to fort vermillion and I've been to little reds base. Nice people, nice guys....absolute s@*thole! Sorry to the guys working there, but if you have 1000 hours on a 206, I can't for the life of me figure out why you would willingly move to a town of a population of less than 1000 people...way up there.

Not to mention, everyone reading this, take note...when a company is constantly advertising for the same positions about every 3 - 6 months as little red does, ask yourself why that is...? I'm not trying to bash little red, that goes for any company continuously advertising. Pilots don't normally leave places they like being.

In my experiences, i've found without-a-doubt, normally, the best places to fly are the ones that dont advertise at all...


I will add, so that this isn't completely negative to little red, that they have great pay, great guys, great mechanics and equipment and dont push their pilots in bad weather...its just where it is that sucks and why everyone eventually leaves (some sooner than others)..

C206 I remember meeting you....yah, you are right, for the life of you I can see why you wouldn't understand why someone wouldn't willingly move to a town of less than 1000 people, way up there. Hmmm.... let's start a list?.... I think you are the type that likes lists,... tight ass, white collar, Burlington..:
uncontrolled airspace
opportunity to move to medivac pilot where there is:
lots of night cross country time (long nights half of the year)
lots of good imc conditions
two crew environment and CRM experience. and as far as 206 flying:
gravel strip experience
challenging approaches and landings
changing weather... REAL pilot decisions that managment supports
lots of loading of freight... great weight management program, stay buff
real time experience with W & B calculations
interaction with the native people and their culture
Friday night poker games
social life with some of the best people on the planet
working with some great, and experienced pilots....ie.. lots to learn
tons of food and goodies left at the counter for all to help themselves
new management with a huge vision and money to back it
sunsets to die for
the Peace River

You mention that the company advertises regularly for positions. Yes, they do... business is growing. Also, until now LIttle Red has been a place for pilots to grow and move on. Just so you know there are long time pilots there, some that even come back year after year for part of the season. A good percentage of the employees have met AND married partners in Fort Vermilion and STAY. A good percentage move on... and they are celebrated. But, mark my words, the new management is cooking. Just keep watching.
C206 you missed out.... with your experience you could have stayed, moved up to medivac pilot and then grown with the company. But then again, with your attitude, good that you didn't give it a second thought and good that you don't appreciate the good life that comes with a small community living.
Burlington rocks, but Fort Vermilion is just one of Canada's best kept secrets.

Oh, and with all your "experiences" the best places to fly are the ones that don't advertise.... how would you know? they don't advertise. C206. go out and get some experience, live in a small town and see what its like and then offer your opinion. I think you'll see that the real @##$%hole is the place where you can't breathe because the air is so bad and you can't move because the traffic is all backed up for miles and you can't see the horizon and the stars are lost. And... you NEVER see the northern lights.
Thing about that.

[Mclovin]

triple romeo knows what he is talking about. If you have some balls and like to be challenged then Little Red is a good place. There is nothing bad you can say about the place from a pilots point of view. You will work hard, but you will see what Canada, and avitiation is really about. Pussies need not apply.

[. .]

Pussies need not apply.

I think that's why so many get their backs up. They're afraid of what they don't know. They have to justify this fear by making up stuff about a job and town they don't know.

Bombing down the peace river is something that most will never know. I pitty them.

[Rowdy]

Pussies need not apply.

I think that's why so many get their backs up. They're afraid of what they don't know. They have to justify this fear by making up stuff about a job and town they don't know.

Bombing down the peace river is something that most will never know. I pitty them.

Quite the amazing place to be thats for sure. See a whole new world driving around in a 206 going into and out of all the neat gravel strips and meet a ton of intriguing and friendly people.

I think a lot of folk don't like the idea of isolation and lack of retail and "right here right now" type "neccesities" Which is truly unfortunate.. You'll make life long friends and have a ton of fun at most of these sort of operations.. even if the pay and flying isn't all that great.

[Shady McSly]

I think you'll see that the real @##$%hole is the place where you can't breathe because the air is so bad and you can't move because the traffic is all backed up for miles and you can't see the horizon and the stars are lost. And... you NEVER see the northern lights.
Thing about that.

right on dude!

The Peace river would be pretty cool to bomb down low-level, but I'd say the Mighty Mackenzie has it beat.

But it doesn't what river you're ..-running, scaring the shit out of an unsuspecting moose is pretty damn fun.

[C206Pilot]

triple romeo:

i don't think you did meet me. i'm not from burlington.

and i never said a single thing negative about the company or the people. the fact that you reacted that strongly to my opinion, which i am entitled to have like everyone else on this planet, says something about the way you feel about living up there yourself.

for example, i know for a fact that Air GGN is a fantastic place to work. if i came on here and said one or two things negative about it, most pilots who work there would read it and laugh because they are so comfortable that they wouldn't care what a little pisshead who doesn't work there thinks about it.

you reacting like that, i don't know what to say....take it easy bro. if you love it up there, fine, i dont care. stay there for the rest of your life.

all i know is, i liked the guys i did meet and i dont think you were one of them cause you dont know where im from...not burlington, but even those guys didn't have much to say about living up there....

lets just leave it at that...you like the area, i hated it. to each his own.

[round pounder]

Triple romeo,

You are killing me, you sound like the character off of Northern Exposure, Ft Vermillion the best kept secret of the north thats a peach. you should call yourself Maurcie Minifield.

Anyhoo lets look at your post and have some fun shall we.

Uncontrolled airspace hmm I think most of Alberta is uncontrolled Medivac pilot you just gotta love a 12 hour shift flying into the middle of nowhere because some chug has a sore thumb or my all time favorite it hurts when I pee. 2 crew enviroment lets not even go there.

Gravel strips seems to me there was a lot of props getting dressed and oh my changed out, changing weather seems to me a 206 got put down in changing weather and by the way get out there and do another load of freight will ya. Hauling freight yup you will be doing that for sure and by the way how much can you put in a 206 is that 1000lbs or 1500lbs with bread stacked around your head, real time W & B does that mean if someone has to hold the tail while your taxiing you have done it wrong or is the plane just over weight.

Management support once again your killing me, the last CP walked out because of a Pshyco Ops manager so I guess the new one became CP by default.

My all time favorite interaction with the natives, sick sacks are for chewing tobacco give the briefing and never look back because someone is getting breast fed and no its not an infant, the best I heard was one of the drivers got pissed on.

New management with a huge vision theres been a huge vision there for years we all remember the Skyvan, and alas poor old QOV, your money is coming from LaCrete so pretty soon I can see the pilots all being blonde haired with one eye going east and one eye going west.

Great sunsets yup there pretty cool, northern lights yup there the best the Peace river, you obviously have not spent hours going up and down the river looking for a floater because one of the cultural people got pissed up and fell out of the boat and ate the prop.

A growing company you say, there was a time when yes you could say it was a growing company 206 x 3, 2 Islanders, Beaver, King airs, 2 Caravans and a buck85, what do you have now a clapped out 90, two clapped out 100s and a 200, one van and one or two 206s.

Are there crappier places to be yup Rankin inlet on a windy day gets my blood going but good old Ft Vermin still ranks pretty high as a dump.

So Mr or Miss Triple Romeo please tell me were I can get a pair of the special glasses you wear that make Vermin or Fox Vegas look so good

My name is Fred and I used to have a problem!

[angry inch]

Thank you all for putting a smile on my face as I sit & drink too much coffee & wait 'til the fog lifts & I can go flying!! Roundpounder, after I shot coffee out my nose, I wanted to stand up & applaud... keep up the good work!

[merlin]

ROTFLMFAO..... thats great reading guys and girls! made my night, had a good laugh.

The Mackinzie beats the Peace hands down!

[Rowdy]

And the Ivanhoe beats the mackenzie!