Airbusdriver-"Your a regional and we appreciate the support you give us."
Thanks for the pat on the back, I REALLY appreciate it.
Reminds me of Cliff, on Cheers, pulling the local cop aside and saying
" I just want you to know that us Feds appreciate the work you local boys are doing." Hmmm-Cliff And Airbusdriver-1 and the same.
By the way, my last pairing took me from YYZ to YVR to LAX and back.
Not really what I would call regional.
Where are they now on the list?
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And I'm pretty sure Airbus driver don't understand how ACE is working !! Jazz didn't ask for the jets, it's the ACE management who decided to give JAZZ some jets because we are more efficient with them than AC with EMB175,190, even A319,A320 (RJ 705). Don't forget Jazz supports a lot of ACE, so you should be glad that Jazz guys help you to have your big pay check. If not see u in 2009...
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AirbusDriver
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dude there called regional Jets for a reason, their for regionals.
I don't see why mainline cares. Wouldn't it make sense to just have larger aircraft, get paid well to fly them; then to have a bunch of smaller regional jets, and half to constantly lower the wages just to keep them? ie like the Embraer. Why would the mainline guys want to try and thrash it out in the domestic market, where there is a lot more competition, and everything is driven by keeping the cost down. I don't get it, or is it a numbers thing. Is it, the more people you have within the company the less likely you are to be laid off? just wondering.
I don't see why mainline cares. Wouldn't it make sense to just have larger aircraft, get paid well to fly them; then to have a bunch of smaller regional jets, and half to constantly lower the wages just to keep them? ie like the Embraer. Why would the mainline guys want to try and thrash it out in the domestic market, where there is a lot more competition, and everything is driven by keeping the cost down. I don't get it, or is it a numbers thing. Is it, the more people you have within the company the less likely you are to be laid off? just wondering.
The force will be with you, always
Red1
Question...did you consider the DC9 a "regional Jet"? Well i didn't....did you know the EMJ 190 is heavier , flys faster , and has almost 2X the range of a DC9? Well either way its not about what you call the aircraft in question its about the jobs, oh sure would I rather fly a 767, 340, 777, no doubt but just because I say it dosen't make it happen... if we pass on the EMJ they'll just give us more large aircraft...thats not how it works there has to be work for those large aircraft to do if no work no job so..I think I'll try to keep my job and the aircraft I'm flying even if it a so called "regional Jet"
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Question...did you consider the DC9 a "regional Jet"? Well i didn't....did you know the EMJ 190 is heavier , flys faster , and has almost 2X the range of a DC9? Well either way its not about what you call the aircraft in question its about the jobs, oh sure would I rather fly a 767, 340, 777, no doubt but just because I say it dosen't make it happen... if we pass on the EMJ they'll just give us more large aircraft...thats not how it works there has to be work for those large aircraft to do if no work no job so..I think I'll try to keep my job and the aircraft I'm flying even if it a so called "regional Jet"
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Rubberbiscuit
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Airbusdriver:
It is because of guys with your attitude I won't even apply to AC. Could not picture doing a pairing from Toronto to Ottawa with you, nevermind 14-15 hr flights to Asia!!
It is because of guys with your attitude I won't even apply to AC. Could not picture doing a pairing from Toronto to Ottawa with you, nevermind 14-15 hr flights to Asia!!
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"Nearly all safety regulations are based upon lessons which have been paid for in blood by those who attempted what you are contemplating" Tony Kern
wow
Wow, guys, honestly the attitudes and slinging here...
We all have to make this work for all of us. I think it's great that Jazz has expanded and is able to fly the RJ's. Growth is good for everyone.
As for the Emb's - skyhigh, dude, all I can say is wow. I don't know if that is a taunt or what, caught me off guard from the last time we talked.
I agree with 29 chev, the emb 190/195 are bigger than the DC-9 and ol' 737-200 that Canadian and WJ were flying. The precident has been set, it's a mainline aircraft, just ask the Delta pilots, Northwest Pilots, Jetblue, etc. And besides the arbitrator with Air Canada rightfully put them at mainline. And to be honest, it would be quite the exercise and needless $$$ to have put them with 700 or so pilots (both seats), the painting, and all training, at one company to think about moving them later.
There are a lot of shitty attitudes on both sides, it's inevitable. But we should be supporting each other, not tearing each other up/down.
Not trying to stir the pot at all, but if Jazz ever was completely sold off, then what happens to everything then? Maybe Jazz employees no longer get C2 priveleges on mainline, and same with Mainline getting c2 on Jazz, there are other issues.
But the point is, there are bigger issues out there that need our collective attention. The growth on both sides is good for everyone, and for those that want to move up to mainline, then it is important that things keep going well here (growth wise).
It just sucks to hear guys keep talking about all this crap, slinging mud, trying to make threats and piss each other off.
I hope ACPA and ALPA work out an agreement sooner rather than later - then we can get onto other important things.
until then, i'll keep smiling and saying hi to all the pilots I see, regardless of size of aircraft, or badge on the jacket/hat - because this whole industry was supposed to be a brotherhood, wasn't it?
We all have to make this work for all of us. I think it's great that Jazz has expanded and is able to fly the RJ's. Growth is good for everyone.
As for the Emb's - skyhigh, dude, all I can say is wow. I don't know if that is a taunt or what, caught me off guard from the last time we talked.
I agree with 29 chev, the emb 190/195 are bigger than the DC-9 and ol' 737-200 that Canadian and WJ were flying. The precident has been set, it's a mainline aircraft, just ask the Delta pilots, Northwest Pilots, Jetblue, etc. And besides the arbitrator with Air Canada rightfully put them at mainline. And to be honest, it would be quite the exercise and needless $$$ to have put them with 700 or so pilots (both seats), the painting, and all training, at one company to think about moving them later.
There are a lot of shitty attitudes on both sides, it's inevitable. But we should be supporting each other, not tearing each other up/down.
Not trying to stir the pot at all, but if Jazz ever was completely sold off, then what happens to everything then? Maybe Jazz employees no longer get C2 priveleges on mainline, and same with Mainline getting c2 on Jazz, there are other issues.
But the point is, there are bigger issues out there that need our collective attention. The growth on both sides is good for everyone, and for those that want to move up to mainline, then it is important that things keep going well here (growth wise).
It just sucks to hear guys keep talking about all this crap, slinging mud, trying to make threats and piss each other off.
I hope ACPA and ALPA work out an agreement sooner rather than later - then we can get onto other important things.
until then, i'll keep smiling and saying hi to all the pilots I see, regardless of size of aircraft, or badge on the jacket/hat - because this whole industry was supposed to be a brotherhood, wasn't it?
Kick the tires and light the fires...
Hey fullfollofhotairbusdriver, when you have a few years in at AC and you are over the honeymoon stage and have realised that you are not such a hot shit, you will someday look at your paycheck and wonder why it is so low. At that point in time, look in the mirror and your answer will be right in front of you.
Yep, your attitude of WE ARE KING and DON"T @#$! WITH US is exactly why you clowns are flying a jet that is bigger than a DC-9, faster than a DC-9 and has longer range than a DC-9 for a lot less money than your senior guys flew the DC9.
You dropped your pants in CCAA and I would bet your wifes left nut that you will do it again in 2009.
Good luck @#$! head!!! Happy flying in Paygroup!!! Remember to salute the Jazz guys from your course when they are on formula pay and you are not.
Yep, your attitude of WE ARE KING and DON"T @#$! WITH US is exactly why you clowns are flying a jet that is bigger than a DC-9, faster than a DC-9 and has longer range than a DC-9 for a lot less money than your senior guys flew the DC9.
You dropped your pants in CCAA and I would bet your wifes left nut that you will do it again in 2009.
Good luck @#$! head!!! Happy flying in Paygroup!!! Remember to salute the Jazz guys from your course when they are on formula pay and you are not.
Airbus, thanks for sharing with all of us where you were before you found yourself at AC. Fact is, now that you are at AC you seem content in preaching equality... what motivated you to come back to Canada when you did? I guess another fair question to ask is why did you leave in the first place? Did you feel that you could move ahead faster by taking advantage of a perk that allowed you to work in the U.S. or for that matter come to Canada? Hmmm seems oportunistic on your part...
The fact is, the pilots at Jazz are part of the ACE Family. In working for Jazz/AC we contribute to the overall profit picture of ACE. At least for the time being and should be entitled to something for that.
I think someone posted earlier that there seems to be a balance of experience in the recent ground schools and that is good to hear. I personally don't expect any special treatment when it comes the interview process, however the time I have spent at Jazz does count for something, so why should I not at least be able to carry over some of my pay and benefits if given the chance to go?
The fact is, the pilots at Jazz are part of the ACE Family. In working for Jazz/AC we contribute to the overall profit picture of ACE. At least for the time being and should be entitled to something for that.
I think someone posted earlier that there seems to be a balance of experience in the recent ground schools and that is good to hear. I personally don't expect any special treatment when it comes the interview process, however the time I have spent at Jazz does count for something, so why should I not at least be able to carry over some of my pay and benefits if given the chance to go?
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tonysoprano
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You dropped your pants in CCAA and I would bet your wifes left nut that you will do it again in 2009.
We didn't drop our pants. The company raped us. They also raped you. You ALPA guys are always singing the same old song and dance and frankly, it's time to grow up and realize all the problems YOU have are not our fault. It's time for YOU to look in that mirror. You're not efficient, you're low cost. Know what that means? It means Milton said jump and you did. And you fell flat on your arses from that ivory tower the ALPA clan brainwashed you in. No hard feelings Traf, just a different twist on the situation. Don't let the big planes-small planes stuff get to you. You're still a lucky aviator. Very lucky. Just a little confused.
And hey, I don't appreciate my wife being your avatar.
I am not confused. In fact, if you read alot of my past posts, I am all for a solution to take away Milton's ability to pour the lube to both sides. I have never said anything about dovetail's, DOH or the likes either.
I was responding directly to Airpuss because of his "@#$! YOU GUYS" attitude and that we are there to support AC and Jazz shouldn't have jets blah blah. His AC hat badge still has wet paint on it and he is spouting this garbage. Not a great start on his part really.
The reality is, Jazz has jets and in the past, AO was the only Regional of the bunch not to have jets. There is no way in hell AC is going to move the EMB s to Jazz and that is fine by me. I suspect that they will attempt to blwo smoke up both sides asses with regards to equipment and property to gain more concessions. Look at CCAA for instance. Both sides were promised the same airplanes for certain concessions and they ended up putting what they wanted, where they wanted regardless of the bidding war. WHo lost? Both sides did. We now fly RJs with 75s seats for whores wages and you guys are flying EMBs for the ugly saturday night special wages.
It is clowns like Assbussdriver that will continue to fuel the fire well after our groups should have laid it to rest. Pensions are not being topped up, wage increseases are in the 1.25%year area and yet both sides insist that they can go it alone. This industry has changed and is still changing as we speak and yet the pilot groups are still caught up in this 80s attitude that they will conquer the other side and come out financially better for it.
You are correct, Jazz is low cost. That is the name of the game now and the more they can squeeze out of us, the more you and I will have to bear the brunt of it with our paystybs and lack of a decent squedule for years to come. I don't need to explain it to you though, all you need to do is fly one pairing with that shithead with 6 months in and he will tell you how the whole industry works.
Good luck! If you ever fly with him you will need hip waders and ear plugs.
I was responding directly to Airpuss because of his "@#$! YOU GUYS" attitude and that we are there to support AC and Jazz shouldn't have jets blah blah. His AC hat badge still has wet paint on it and he is spouting this garbage. Not a great start on his part really.
The reality is, Jazz has jets and in the past, AO was the only Regional of the bunch not to have jets. There is no way in hell AC is going to move the EMB s to Jazz and that is fine by me. I suspect that they will attempt to blwo smoke up both sides asses with regards to equipment and property to gain more concessions. Look at CCAA for instance. Both sides were promised the same airplanes for certain concessions and they ended up putting what they wanted, where they wanted regardless of the bidding war. WHo lost? Both sides did. We now fly RJs with 75s seats for whores wages and you guys are flying EMBs for the ugly saturday night special wages.
It is clowns like Assbussdriver that will continue to fuel the fire well after our groups should have laid it to rest. Pensions are not being topped up, wage increseases are in the 1.25%year area and yet both sides insist that they can go it alone. This industry has changed and is still changing as we speak and yet the pilot groups are still caught up in this 80s attitude that they will conquer the other side and come out financially better for it.
You are correct, Jazz is low cost. That is the name of the game now and the more they can squeeze out of us, the more you and I will have to bear the brunt of it with our paystybs and lack of a decent squedule for years to come. I don't need to explain it to you though, all you need to do is fly one pairing with that shithead with 6 months in and he will tell you how the whole industry works.
Good luck! If you ever fly with him you will need hip waders and ear plugs.
hey
Hey Skyhigh,
LOL, ok you got me! Sorry dude, long day, long pairing, short of sleep, should've figured it out.... realized later in the day.
Call me, I'm off for almost 2 weeks. You around east, or west right now.
Cheers.
LOL, ok you got me! Sorry dude, long day, long pairing, short of sleep, should've figured it out.... realized later in the day.
Call me, I'm off for almost 2 weeks. You around east, or west right now.
Cheers.
Kick the tires and light the fires...
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tonysoprano
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Traf.
We need to be careful how low we go. I'm all for jets where they are needed but I am against unfair wages. If the idea is to take flying away from the mainline at any cost, you're going down the wrong road. The problem is there is still this need to look back and get even for past disputes. Pretty sad.
Hey, tell my wife to come home now, I need her.
We need to be careful how low we go. I'm all for jets where they are needed but I am against unfair wages. If the idea is to take flying away from the mainline at any cost, you're going down the wrong road. The problem is there is still this need to look back and get even for past disputes. Pretty sad.
Hey, tell my wife to come home now, I need her.
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Gurundu the Rat
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Guys, Who cares who operates what! There is a certain percentage of flying that Jazz can't go over. (sorry I don't remember the exact number)If Jazz grows then mainline grows. Jazz simply can not grow at the expense of mainline. I'm sure Airmuffdiver already knew that though.
As Norm once said "Get your head out of your Claven"
As Norm once said "Get your head out of your Claven"
Tony, it is time to stop going any lower at all. One side trying to take the other sides flying is simply the accelerator in the race to the bottom.
As for your wife, she is almost done dancing for me. She said she will be home in an hour.
Gurundu, yes Jazz has a percentage which they are not at the limit yet. Al it would take is to park or give up the dash flying and Jazz is wide open for more jets. The problem is, we will be flying bigger eqipment for the same or less money. That is a story I am getting tired of. WJ got a nice pay increase this year, time for team red to do the same.
As for your wife, she is almost done dancing for me. She said she will be home in an hour.
Gurundu, yes Jazz has a percentage which they are not at the limit yet. Al it would take is to park or give up the dash flying and Jazz is wide open for more jets. The problem is, we will be flying bigger eqipment for the same or less money. That is a story I am getting tired of. WJ got a nice pay increase this year, time for team red to do the same.
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Gurundu the Rat
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Oh we know were not the same...we can successfully merge companies and actually be civil to each other.AirbusDriver wrote: Accept that Jazz is not Air Canada but part of ACE.
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Chase lifestyle not metal.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
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Hadji Ramjet
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Hadji Ramjet
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OK...first off I can't believe I'm posting in the AC forum but here it goes...
I have never had any desire to work at AC (thanks for reminding me why AIRBUSDRIVER) ....always thought maybe CDN might have been the place to be but anyways... With all this fucking bitching and complaining, AIRBUSDRIVER, why did you go to AC in the first place? I suppose you were bitching and complaining when you were doing the piston work "I'm better than this piston piece of crap...can't wait till I get on a turbo prop!". Then you got to do turbo prop...."Can't fucking believe I have to fly this piece of crap Dash 8....can't wait till I get to fly a jet with AC!" Then you finally realised your dream...you got hired by AC! "Well this is it....I've died and gone to heaven....wait a second....I can't FUCKING believe that someone working at another company one tier below me gets to fly a jet....man I can't wait till....." What...what are you waiting for now?
For crying out loud, would you people please get over your fucking egos and just remember why you got into flying in the first place!!! I will admit that I don't know what LOU18 represents but I cannot see why JAZZ flying RJs affects your retirement plan! @#$!! I do understand that business is business but come on!
You will ultimately get paid ridiculously large amounts of money to fly ridiculously large jets for a ridiculously large airline (I exagerate but by Canadian standards AC is ridiculously large) ...you've made it to the top....would you please just do the rest of us out here who still love our jobs regardless of what we're flying or where, a favour and shut the @#$! up....we're trying to sleep down here!!
Cheers,
ETTW!
I have never had any desire to work at AC (thanks for reminding me why AIRBUSDRIVER) ....always thought maybe CDN might have been the place to be but anyways... With all this fucking bitching and complaining, AIRBUSDRIVER, why did you go to AC in the first place? I suppose you were bitching and complaining when you were doing the piston work "I'm better than this piston piece of crap...can't wait till I get on a turbo prop!". Then you got to do turbo prop...."Can't fucking believe I have to fly this piece of crap Dash 8....can't wait till I get to fly a jet with AC!" Then you finally realised your dream...you got hired by AC! "Well this is it....I've died and gone to heaven....wait a second....I can't FUCKING believe that someone working at another company one tier below me gets to fly a jet....man I can't wait till....." What...what are you waiting for now?
For crying out loud, would you people please get over your fucking egos and just remember why you got into flying in the first place!!! I will admit that I don't know what LOU18 represents but I cannot see why JAZZ flying RJs affects your retirement plan! @#$!! I do understand that business is business but come on!
You will ultimately get paid ridiculously large amounts of money to fly ridiculously large jets for a ridiculously large airline (I exagerate but by Canadian standards AC is ridiculously large) ...you've made it to the top....would you please just do the rest of us out here who still love our jobs regardless of what we're flying or where, a favour and shut the @#$! up....we're trying to sleep down here!!
Cheers,
ETTW!
