Perimeter off runway in Norway House

[the_professor]

dont guys go straight from the ramp into that thing?

Yes.

And?

Is it still the case at PAG that only captains are allowed to land on gravel up north?

[bobcaygeon]

dont guys go straight from the ramp into that thing?

Yes.

And?

Ya it's too bad PAG FO's have gone soft and need ramp experience now.
They used too come straight outta school with 200hrs and go on to the tube. They didn't even know how much a flat a pop or a bucket of chicken weighed. And sure as hell didn't know what or where "YRS" is

[bob sacamano]

dont guys go straight from the ramp into that thing? glad nobody got hurt

If someone goes from flight school to a job, they get bitched at by others, if someone instructs before flying at win, they get bitched at, and if someone goes off the ramp, they also get bitched at.

WTF's up with that.

[Kelowna Pilot]

I'm amazed that with all the "character building" and "uber-work ethic" and aviation knowledge that a two year stint on the ramp imparts... I'm amazed anything like this could happen to a PAG flight crew.

Maybe these guys didn't work the ramp?

Of couse I mean this totally tongue in cheek...

[Disco Stu]

I just quickly glanced at the picture posted and I noticed the flaps look to be in an intermediate setting. So was the aircraft landing or taking off?

Flaps are retracted at main gear touchdown on the gravel to minimize damage from rocks being thrown by the nose gear.

[Disco Stu]

Is it still the case at PAG that only captains are allowed to land on gravel up north?

As per SOPs yep.

[Disco Stu]

Ya it's too bad PAG FO's have gone soft and need ramp experience now.
They used too come straight outta school with 200hrs and go on to the tube. They didn't even know how much a flat a pop or a bucket of chicken weighed. And sure as hell didn't know what or where "YRS" is

Couldn't have been any worse than those know it all ex-float/ex-navajo/ex-bandit pilots.

Especially the ones with a fondness for door humping.

[RFN]

Disco Stu, check your PMs

[Nightflight]

Gosh I'm begining to see the light. I now see the error of my ways. Working the ramp is indeed the solution to making you a superior pilot incapable of error and next only to the big guy/girl up in the heavens. I infact am going to start a ramp school so after you get your commercial ticket you can get the ultimate experience by learning the ramp. The students will definitely get hired as pilots and I'll be rolling in dollas.
Eureka! My ship has come in!!!!

[Donald]

Buffalo Airways school of Aviation already has the course, so you wouldn't be a pioneer...

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[Tholl]

They used too come straight outta school with 200hrs and go on to the tube. They didn't even know how much a flat a pop or a bucket of chicken weighed. And sure as hell didn't know what or where "YRS" is

Us rampies still gotter...

A bucket of chicken in 6lbs, skid of pop is 2100lbs, and a skip of diet is 2000lbs. And YRS is RED SNAPPER!

-Tholl

[Nightflight]

Buffalo Airways school of Aviation already has the course, so you wouldn't be a pioneer...

Rats! Didn't realize that my ship was the Titanic!

Oh well back to my job then.

[Captain Crunch]

[/quote]

Us rampies still gotter...

A bucket of chicken in 6lbs, skid of pop is 2100lbs, and a skid of diet is 2000lbs. And YRS is RED SNAPPER!

-Tholl[/quote]

Atta boy Tholl,
pay attention ladies, this up and comin rampie will be a fine FO one day

Orange and Green FOREVER!

[Flightlevels]

I think it landed on the runway, however it subsequeintly "departed the runway". I think thats a TSB technical term...they also use the term "excursion". I always like that one.

Glad to hear nothing more serious than bent tin happened, I still can't say I'm a fan of people rushing to post photos of others peoles mishaps.

There is nothing to learn from the photo...its rubbing salt into a wound.

your such a hypocrite hot fuel...remember the hawker off the runway comment you made...you ambulance chaser...lol

[bobcaygeon]

[Highflyinpilot]

I guess if you know where YRS is it makes you a better pilot than someone who doesnt know.


For everyone who wants to be a better pilot, just know where YRS is and you'll have it made, screw all that BS about stalls, spins, forced etc, just know where YRS is

[Flybaby]

I always thought that a skid of pop was 2400LBS, that is 120 24 packs at 20LBS a case or 240 12 packs at 10LBS a case. Plus the skid of course.

[oldtimer]

Before anyone slags the PAG crew too much just remember one thing. Almost every Metro operator has had a Metro depart the runway in a less than pretty fashion. North American Airlines had one, Sunwest had one, Westex had 2, Carson Air had one. It is a combination of propeller failure, nose wheel castor failure caused by contaminated runways or the most popular, an electrical malfunction in the nose wheel steering system. If that happens, the crew are usually just along for the ride. Piss poor nosewheel design.

[J31]

Piss poor nosewheel design.

You can say that again. How such a simple airplane got such a complex nose wheel steering system like that absolutely astounds me! Did they ever screw that up!

Other than the nose wheel steering they are a good aircraft……although not much refined about them. The metro (II, III, & 23) will out haul, out run, for less fuel per mile, than any other 19 seat airplane out there.

To all the nay Sayers about Garrett’s and Metros have probably never flown them. I have lots of time with Pratt’s and Garrett’s and they both have their strong points. Both are good reliable engines and I never had much problem with either one in temperatures from -45 to +40.

[Schlem]

Piss poor nosewheel design.

I flew a 1967 Merlin SW2A with PT6s... Mr. Swearingen's first attempt at a twin turbo-prop... nosewheel steering motor was an F-86 flap motor... now that was a homebuilt aircraft which had the worst nosewheel steering system of any Swearingen product!

Many a Merlin SW2 went off the runway... thankfully without me being onboard for the ride!

[inverter]

What I am curious about is how experienced was the crew? I have heard that Perimeter had a lot of ppl leave in the last year. Was the crew too inexperienced for the wx condition they were in? Was the crew too green to be flying together? Does anybody know?

[Buster]

Maybe because of an attitude like this...

...oh yes, Pag does own manitoba for you new guys..this is a fact that you will need councelling to get over....its not a fantasy its a fact...put it this way because it may help you with your "living outside reality" problem..if you are working in manitoba and not for pag..you are living off the scraps that fall from the golden cart and they so generously leave behind..... so dont hate the playa...hate the game baby

or this

.....Jet blue fags are ok after their 11 hour shift for half the month....I hope they dont get a weeto bit tiwerd from all there autopilot work... I better call work and let them know I wont work past 11 hours because Ill be fatigued...

Wasn't u was it CSJ?

Buster

[KenoraPilot]

hey tholl buddy you forgot the individual weight of a 24 of pop 22lbs! common buddy thats important!!

[bobcaygeon]

10,000 hrs between em

[ski_bum]

I guess if you know where YRS is it makes you a better pilot than someone who doesnt know.


For everyone who wants to be a better pilot, just know where YRS is and you'll have it made, screw all that BS about stalls, spins, forced etc, just know where YRS is

SWEEET, I know where YRS is and I have been there a number of times, I am going to have it made!!!!

And some people spend money on fortune tellers, dummy's....


Anyone know what happened?? I heard only one engine went into reverse on landing...