Aviation sayings.

Valhalla · Post by **Valhalla** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:55 am

With regards to bringing props full fine before landing, there is a case where it is beneficial - with airplanes with bata range, you will get to discing and reverse on the ground a lot quicker if doing a short field landing.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:43 am

mellow pilot wrote:

Hedley, I'm a little surprised at your comment. You are one of the ones always saying how little time actually counts for, that skill isn't always equal to the totals line in a logbook. I've seen tons of posts out of you about how much better a pilot you are for being able to do inverted spins below 1000', and yet you won't throw a little respect at a guy who can demo a hornet? What gives?

1) I think you're confusing me with . (which I can only take as a compliment) - he's the one that's usually grumbling about the emphasis on TT

2) You should feel free to recover from inverted spins below 1,000 feet. I am not stopping you. Why aren't you doing it? It must be pretty easy if even I can do it, eh?

And what's so tough about this:

http://www.pittspecials.com/movies/outsideloop.wmv

3) I like F-18 pilots. Heck, I was born at Cold Lake, and to this day am still surrounded by T-33/F-86/CF-100/CF-104/F-5/CF-188 pilots. The lead pilot in the video above (I was wing) was - guess what - a T-6/T-33/F-86/CF-104 pilot. Why would you think that I don't respect the demo pilots? If anything, my misconstrued point was that military training might be just a wee bit more effective than civilian flight training.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:45 am

Once again, I apologise for misunderstanding.

As for recovering inverted spins below 1000, I have neither the training nor the skill to do so. I know my limits. Which brings me back to Cat's topic of sayings:

- The greatest pilot is the one willing to say no.

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:48 pm

Cat Driver wrote: (2) There are two kinds of pilots, those who have landed gear up and those who are going to.

All that saying means to me is the pilots repeating it should stick to fixed gear airplanes, or better yet quit flying due to being just to plain stupid to be allowed in an airplane.

I take this saying to mean that gear-up landings do happen and will continue to as long as people think it will never happen to them.

Accidents happen to everyone, not just stupid pilots.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:57 pm

Red line, you and I have different understanding of the English language and the meaning of statements.

If one is to accept that saying on face value it clearly means you will land gear up at some point in time.

I don't buy that and that is why I think the saying is unsupportable by the simple fact that most pilots fly retractable gear for their whole career and never land with the gear up.( unless it is an amphib on the water. )

Cat

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:04 pm

Does it count if you land gear up in the sim?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:08 pm

Only if you are being tested and you forgot to put it down.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:22 am

I just wanted to see if it was a realistic sim, honest...

Pie Lot · Post by **Pie Lot** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:32 am

Another all encompassing pilot saying on checklists:

F.G.E.

seems to cover a lot of bases.

"Cabin Secure ?" - "F.G.E."

"F@@@ing Good Enough"

This can be substituted in most items on a checklist.

niss · Post by **niss** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:35 am

"Im almost 100% positive it will fly"

"I have just enough fuel to get to the threshold, plus 15 minute reserve"

Brantford Beech Boy · Post by **Brantford Beech Boy** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:30 pm

-You can never have too much fuel, unless you are on fire and even then it is better to go out with a bang than a whimper.

-always train hard and ride easy.

-black air has no lift, extra fuel has no weight.

-If it floats, flies or fucks, RENT IT

-don't tell my mom I'm a pilot, she still thinks I play piano at a whorehouse.

BBB

niss · Post by **niss** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:48 pm

"Who wants a moustache ride?"

"Lets Rock, Lets Rock, Lets Rock Tonight!

"Oh Ye of little faith!"

Ryan Coke2 · Post by **Ryan Coke2** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:13 pm

[quote="Cat Driver"]Red line, you and I have different understanding of the English language and the meaning of statements.

If one is to accept that saying on face value it clearly means you will land gear up at some point in time.

I don't buy that and that is why I think the saying is unsupportable by the simple fact that most pilots fly retractable gear for their whole career and never land with the gear up.( unless it is an amphib on the water. )

Cat[/quote]

And here I thought it meant we were literally all guaranteed to land gear up at some point.

My faves...when deciding to de-ice or not "well, it should fly with it".

Or from someone doing some weird procedure that isn't written anywhere, and when challenged on it..."well, it's airmanship". I've discovered that is often code for 'I have no good reason to back it up'.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:39 pm

Ryan, there are many things in flying that are not written as proceedures to follow.

For instance in the ITCZ ( Inter Tropical Convergence Zone. ) when flying long distances over the ocean and you are left with no choice but to cross an active line of thunderstorms. If you are unale to climb to an altitude where cell avoidance may be possible visually or with the use of radar, it is safer to descend to the surface and use the T effect as your cushion to keep from hitting the water. The ride may be rough and vis may be near zero but it works...I'm still alive.

That is one example of using airmanship.

Shady McSly · Post by **Shady McSly** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:11 pm

settle down.

Ryan Coke2 · Post by **Ryan Coke2** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:53 am

You mean to say that, not only are we not all guaranteed to land gear up at some point, but the concept of airmanship actually exists?

Trust me, I am not a 'must be written down to do it' type. But I am one who needs actual logical reasoning to do things, not an empty platitude ("it's airmanship") served up in lieu of anything resembling depth of knowledge in justifying a way of doing things that is based on little more than 'that's the way I've always done it', 'somebody told me to do it that way', or 'that is the way it has always been done'.

Airmanship does exist, but it is not a reason, a justification, or an explanation.

Stick Shaker · Post by **Stick Shaker** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:42 am

Cat,

Sorry, I never heard about T effect ? What is it ?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:29 am

Ground effect.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:38 am

Ryan, flying like all other endeavours in life is best learned from experience.

Experience is what results in what is commonly referred to as airmanship in the world of aviation.

When you examine advice on how to make decisions as a pilot who would you look to for advice,..... a CFI in a flying school who may not have ever experienced flying beyond what TC mandates in the curriculum...... Someone sitting in a cubicle at TC producing ever expanding paper requirements.....or someone like Snaproll20 or Doc who have learned through experience?

I was going to include myself in that list but I only have half a brain.

Cat

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:52 pm

From another thread, but seems appropriate again now:

Good judgement comes from experience; and experience comes from bad judgement.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:43 am

Flying is all about walking a fine line between illegal and stupid, falling one way will ruin you and the other will kill you.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:32 pm

Stupid won't always get you killed, but it will always get you laughed at.

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