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niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:44 am

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:14 am

North Shore wrote:Now I'm gettng really confused? Jew, Christian, or Muslim?
Zionist according to the website, Christain according to the quotes, and Muslim according to the sig?

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:27 am

//edit by Sulako

"Hey peeps, my imaginary man in the sky is clearly superior to your imaginary man in the sky. My imaginary man preaches love and fluffy bunnies, whist your imaginary man preaches death and mangy rats."

I think I summarized cc's position whilst removing the hatred.

cc, keep posting crap and I'll keep editing it for you, I'm cool with that.

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:33 am

Hey Rowdy, A protestant wife and a Jewish Bubbie does not a 'saved' person make.
It does not rub off- you need to talk to the Boss about your salvation.
cc
pump oil
thanks for your considerate and thoughtfull replies!

Rowdy wrote:
cloudcounter wrote:Get stuffed wimp
like it or lump it
Be careful who you choose to insult on a public forum in such a small industry.

I never took a shot at you, just displayed my great disliking for all the religious and racial bullshit that I see being spouted here.

This is a public AVIATION forum.. I feel it's a waste of bandwitch, unproffessional and downright ignorant to be posting such things here, as it mostly results in nonsensical arguments and hard feelings..

You've now lost all of my respect as I'm sure many others.. I refuse to read through any more of your verbal garbage. Go tote and wave your preachings somewhere else thanks.

Pump Sand!

Yours truly,
The Rowds

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:16 am

Seeing as how this thread is going to be pulled shortly, I'm gonna go ahead and announce my love for the "Tranny Granny" series of xxx movies now showing on satellite cable. You won't be able to prove I said this in a little whle.

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:19 am

Seeing as how this thread is going to be pulled shortly, I'm gonna go ahead and announce my love for the "Tranny Granny" series of xxx movies now showing on satellite cable. You won't be able to prove I said this in a little whle.

It has been recorded by the TVR.

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:01 am

faint heart?

Sulako wrote:Seeing as how this thread is going to be pulled shortly, I'm gonna go ahead and announce my love for the "Tranny Granny" series of xxx movies now showing on satellite cable. You won't be able to prove I said this in a little whle.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:25 am

CC, faint mind?

(sorry, it was too easy)

... · Post by **...** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:58 am

Sulako wrote:Seeing as how this thread is going to be pulled shortly, I'm gonna go ahead and announce my love for the "Tranny Granny" series of xxx movies now showing on satellite cable. You won't be able to prove I said this in a little whle.

If any of you have ever met Mr. Sulako...nice looking, professional, respectful, prolific speaking guy...the words "tranny granny" are ones you would never expect to hear from him.

Sulako...please place a warning sticker kinda like...

WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT EATING CORNFLAKES BEFORE READING THIS. THE FOLLOWING WILL CAUSE YOUR CORNFLAKES TO BECOME DANGEROUS PROJECTILES THROUGH YOUR NOSE.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:09 pm

Damn, I always get back to the 'interesting' threads after someone has said something spectacularily egregious and promptly had it pulled by one of the mods. Perhaps we could have a read-only forum where the mods could anonymously post what they pulled so that the rest of us could read them?

PARADISE · Post by **PARADISE** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:29 pm

cloudcounter with your kind of knowledge I'm curious to know who's going to win the cup this year?

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:26 pm

PARADISE wrote:cloudcounter with your kind of knowledge I'm curious to know who's going to win the cup this year?

The Bible is actually pretty clear when it comes to this. I believe it is somewhere in Revelations, but the answer is DETROIT!!

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:03 pm

Ecc 10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to stink and ferment; so a little folly is weightier than wisdom and honour.

Just Who Exactly is a "Moderate" Arab Leader?

By Michael Freund

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has come and gone on her latest visit to the Middle East, but about the only thing she left behind was a trail of confusion and bewilderment.

Prior to Rice's arrival, her trip was billed as an effort to bolster "moderate Arab leaders" in the area. On January 9, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters that one of the secretary's goals would be to "support those forces of moderation in the region."

That sounds reasonable enough. After all, the Middle East could certainly use a healthy dose of restraint.

But after watching Ms. Rice's performance over the past few days, it should now be clear that her idea of what constitutes a "moderate Arab leader" is way off the mark, and this should leave us all deeply concerned about the future.

Take, for example, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, whom Rice put forward as a model of moderation.

Standing next to Abbas at a press conference in Ramallah on Sunday, the secretary of state practically gushed with enthusiasm when she said in her opening remarks, "I want everyone to know, particularly the Palestinian people, how much we admire the leadership of President Abbas as a leader of the Palestinian people."

And yet, it was just last Thursday, three days prior to meeting with Rice, that Abbas publicly called upon Palestinians to attack Israel.

SPEAKING at a rally to mark the 42nd anniversary of the founding of Fatah, Abbas told a huge crowd gathered in Ramallah, "With the will and determination of its sons, Fatah will continue. We will not give up our principles and we have said that rifles should be directed against the occupation."

"We have a legitimate right to direct our guns against Israeli occupation," Abbas added.

Is this the kind of "moderation" Rice had in mind?

Indeed, despite Abbas's outrageous call to arms, Rice did not say a word - not a single, solitary word! - about it during her joint press conference with him. She did not see fit to demand a retraction from Abbas of his invitation to violence, nor did she press him to refrain from inciting further bloodshed.

Instead, Rice chose to heap additional praise on Abbas, telling the assembled journalists that "we've made a lot of progress over recent years, in particular because of the hard work of President Abbas."

Huh?

What progress is she referring to? To the ongoing Palestinian rocket attacks against southern Israel? To the kidnapping of Cpl. Gilad Shalit? Or perhaps to the growing popularity of Hamas and Islamic Jihad among the Palestinian electorate?

To be sure, when one compares Abbas with the "genocide now" crowd over at Hamas, he might appear to be a tad bit less extreme. But the gap between "less extreme" and "moderate" is vast, and the two cannot and should not be confused.

AND THEREIN lies the problem with Rice's misguided compliments to Abbas. By embracing him rather than rebuking him, she encouraged the Palestinian leader to believe that he can openly call for violence against Jews without paying any political price for doing so.

Her actions also sent a dangerous message to Palestinians, who might start to think that America's top diplomat sees nothing wrong with their leader's plea to start using their rifles against the Jewish state.

Rice's confused idea of "moderation" was further on display in Egypt, where she met on Monday with Egyptian autocrat Hosni Mubarak and his foreign minister, Aboul Gheit.

Later, at a press conference with Gheit, Rice again had nothing but praise for her hosts, asserting that, "Egypt is really a partner."

What she neglected to mention, of course, was that Mr. Mubarak rules his domain in the finest tradition of the Pharaohs, suppressing dissent, tossing his political opponents into prison, and fixing the outcome of elections to his liking.

Egypt has also allowed untold quantities of weapons to be smuggled freely into Gaza, into the waiting arms of terrorist groups, and it has refused to crack down on the flow of funds to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Some "partner."

We are sure to be treated to a continuation of this spectacle in the coming days, as Rice travels to the Gulf to meet with other "moderates" such as the terror-sponsoring Saudis and some of their Israel-boycotting neighbors.

AND THAT should have us all deeply worried, because the issue of just who is a moderate Arab leader is far more than just one of semantics. It goes to the very root of US foreign policy in the region. For by misidentifying or mischaracterizing various Arab leaders as "moderates,"

Rice and others do real harm to the very cause they seek to advance.

Rather than encouraging moderation, they are in fact unwittingly promoting extremism by failing to call to account leaders such as Abbas...snip
inn.com

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:18 am

Hey Sully!
Here is a 'Granny' worthy of the name:

Wake Up, Fellow Americans!
by Ruth Matar

I have a worrisome sensation in my gut, a bad feeling of deja vu. In plain English, that means "been there, done that."

On March 12, 1938, Hitler pressured his native Austria into unification with Germany. I was a nine-year-old Jewish child living with my family in Wr. Neustadt when the Nazis took over Austria. My feelings today, as an elderly woman, are the same as when I was a nine-year-old child - feelings of helplessness and of impending doom.

Hitler had been in power in adjoining Germany since 1933. Most people soon realized Hitler's hatred of the Jews, especially after reading his book Mein Kampf. However, very few people realized the psychopathic extent of his hatred of the Jews.

On the day that Hitler took control of Austria, I overheard my parents' whispered conversation, not meant for the ears of a nine-year-old: "This is the end of everything. We must get out of here at all cost, or it will be the end of us."

Through a series of actual miracles, we escaped the fate of six million other Jews. My parents managed to find places for my brother, my sister and myself on a Kindertransport to Sweden. After we arrived safely in Sweden, my parents escaped "illegally" over the Italian border. Miraculously, we were all united in the United States three years after the war ended. As a seventeen-year-old, I was proud to become a citizen of the United States.

Because of my childhood experiences, I have had an almost irrational feeling of owing a debt for my parents and siblings having been saved. The rest of my family were exterminated.

By profession, I am a designer and craftsman of Judaica and jewelry in Israel. One might ask why did I abandon this work which I love? Very simple. I felt I had to do this in order to protect the future of all Jewish children. That is why the English name of our organization is Women for Israel's Tomorrow. Part of my present full-time work as Co-Leader of Women in Green stems from my determination not to let our children experience what the Jews went through at the time of Hitler and the Nazis.

Are President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran and his Jihadists less dangerous than Hitler and his Nazi followers? I think they are even more dangerous. As passionate as the Germans were in their hatred of Jews, it is a step further in fanaticism to be willing to blow oneself up in order to kill Jews. Iranian leaders have even said that they are willing to lose half of their own country in order to wipe Israel off the map.

In this connection, please do not forget that Israel is considered by the Arabs to be only the "Little Satan." The final plan is to destroy the "Great Satan," America.

Something that has alarmed me personally is the controversy surrounding America's first Muslim congressman, Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota. This controversy was, no doubt, generated by Keith Ellison himself. Was his widely publicized statement that he intended to be sworn in as a Congressman with his hand on the Koran just a publicity stunt? As a lawyer and a lawmaker, he must have known that no one takes the oath of office in Congress with their hand on any religious book.

Be honest with yourselves, fellow Americans. Aren't you getting a mite uncomfortable, or even alarmed, about the subtle encroachment of Islam throughout the United States? ..snip

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:09 am

Sulako wrote:Seeing as how this thread is going to be pulled shortly, I'm gonna go ahead and announce my love for the "Tranny Granny" series of xxx movies now showing on satellite cable. You won't be able to prove I said this in a little whle.

Oops. It's still here.

megaton montage · Post by **megaton montage** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:36 am

Muslim While Flying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nolNcJ1G7w

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:48 am

I have never heard it put in a better way.

If you want to learn about what Islam really is, don't study the Muslims...study Islam.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:48 am

I've got a question for you, cloudcounter.

Do you plan to contribute prose of your own to any debate anywhere on this forum, or are you going to continue with the "snipped" musings of right wing pundits and half-baked evangelicals?

While we often post links to or insert other people's words, most of us here make at least an effort to write down a few logical, coherent words of our own from time to time. You should try it.

My other question is when are you going to start quoting the various holy books accurately? Especially with regards to your sig, which misquotes the holy book of another religion in such a way as to misrepresent them.

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:50 am

While I disagree with much of what CC says, his first post about 'what is a moderat Arab' has quite a bit of merit.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:56 am

Sorry Niss, but I think that you're wrong on this one.

Calling someone a moderate arab simply means that in comparison to the other arabs, their views and actions are moderate.

Pointing out the fundamental flaw of the logic in that article is as far as I'm going to go here, because I really don't have the energy to get dragged into an extended debate at this point in time.

I would also add that while it appears next to his avatar and above his signature, calling it "his" post is rather misleading. He cut and paste it. He wasn't the one who crystalized the abstract thoughts that made up the original concept for the article. He didn't do the very limited research involved in the article. He didn't craft the inflamatory rhetoric. I'm not even sure that he's read it...after all, in the whole time that he's been on the board, I can't recall a single post in which he chooses to make a real point with his own thoughts or prose as opposed to having someone else do it.

I'm not claiming to know that he hasn't read it or any other articles, but I am stating that he's shown no evidence of being any more articulate or logical in his arguments than Chantal has in hers. The difference is that Cloudcounter posts more often, pastes longer snippets of text from right wing and evangelical sources, and is more judgemental.

Are these the hallmarks of a capable, logical, informed mind?

Ps. No offense meant to Chantal.

... · Post by **...** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:03 pm

Hey, does anyone else have a problem with ear hair? I've noticed a few pop up the other day. Should I pluck them or monitor their growth and report it back here?

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:03 pm

I'm not to sure I see what your saying W2, if I understand you are saying that aslong as he is less extreme than others he is a moderate. If that is the case than while you are technically right, it is a misleading term.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:18 pm

What I'm saying is that the absolute meaning of "moderate" is defined by the subclass that it is applied to.

Let's talk about chimpanzees. A moderately hairy chimpanzee.

Now let's talk about humans. A moderately hairy human.

It's obivous that the chimp in question has more hair than the human...but does that mean that he's not a moderately hairy chimp? Is he an extremely hairy chimp? Nope...he's only extremely hairy when compared with that human. In comparison to the rest of the chimps, he's moderately hairy.

Once again, the absolute meaning of "moderate" as an adjective is defined by the subclass to which it is applied.

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:27 pm

Fair enough, so like I said it would be misleading to use the lable Moderate. While Abbas may be moderate in comparison to Haniya he is still certainly not in the middle ground.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:43 pm

Actually, Niss, in comparison to his peers, he is moderate. He's advocating violence against the "occupation", not suicide attacks until Israel ceases to exist.

It's not at all misleading to call him a "Moderate palestinian" because he is quite moderate in comparison.

Being a "moderate" and a "moderate arab" are two different things. Without the context of a subset within which it is being applied, the term "moderate" ceases to have any real meaning.

Without the context "moderate" could mean that the person in question is only moderately likely to molest a male goat in the next week.