Discrimination

[Rockie]

P.S. I don't see anything wrong with NAC trying to improve the well fare of the people that they serve.

Then I presume you wouldn't see anything wrong with Westjet or Air Canada putting out an ad encouraging white people to apply in order to improve the welfare of the people they serve?

[trey kule]

Rockie, I see nothing wrong with WJ doing that, but Air Canada would have to specify white and french speaking would they not?

The fact is if you are white, male, and english speaking only you are going to be discriminated against through promotion of the others.
I fly with a great group of Quebec born pilots who had to leave the country because they could not get hired in Quebec because they spoke English. they were told that Quebec jobs are for French only speakers, and the rest of Canada could hire the English speaking onesthe incredible

combine that with the Quebec governments massive initiative to train pilots and youshould be able to see where all this is going. Interestingly enough, bi-lingual pilots are not discriminated against in Western Canada or Ralphland so the english speaking pilots are slowly being squeezed out.
You can thank all the liberal minded for allowing this to happen.

[jjal]

twotter driver:

Here is what me thinks. jjal has some insecurity issues on his/her ability and is afraid that a native person would take the job that he/she might be after.

I say if you want the job, apply. If not, don't. If you had applied and didn't get the job because a native was hired instead, so be it! Move on little doggy! Maybe there is a better job with your name on it somewhere else.

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Those who fear do not succeed!!

You are an idiot. Who said I am afraid of anything???

I am not an AME nor have I any interest in that job. It just bugs me.

This isn't a "oh poor me" post nor am I out to discredit anyone (except NAC) I am just fed up with the two-sidedness of everything.

If you are Aboriginal, I am not, and we both apply for job "x"... and you get it because you are more qualified then I am the last person you will see complain about it. If you, or anyone else, regardless of their ethnicity, gets a job based on that ethnicity, don't you see a problem with that?

And what the hell do you mean "move on little doggy"?

[twotterflyer]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me!

Thank You I have been called worse!

[hawkertech]

I've been led to understand that there is a little loophole in some provincial contract procedures that allows for, all other things amongst the bidding companies being equal,an Aboriginally owned company that maintains a certain minimum required percentage of Aboriginal employees in its organization (I seem to remember it's 30-plus %) to be awarded government contracts automatically, ostensibly as a method of supporting indigenous entrepreneurship.

Perhaps NAC is just looking for a seat on The Government Gravy Train?

[Chantal]

NAC is probably looking for someone with Knowledge of the community and people. Many organizations seek those kind of employees.

Also, the situation of Affirmative action occurs because there IS A PROBLEM. Hello! Seems like nobody here understands or knows about discrimination or racism ( never had that trouble?) Discrimination happens, Really, Really, Really!

p.s. It is wrong for there to be Racism here in Canada and it's not going to get better if people deny it or laugh about it, (Doc)

[cloudcounter]

What we are really talking about here Chantal is
reverse rascism or favoritism.
qualification should be the measuring stick not ethnic or who you know or who is in good with tthe bleeding hearts in Ottawa
in a world that has ethics instead of teaching it's version

NAC is probably looking for someone with Knowledge of the community and people. Many organizations seek those kind of employees.

Also, the situation of Affirmative action occurs because there IS A PROBLEM. Hello! Seems like nobody here understands or knows about discrimination or racism ( never had that trouble?) Discrimination happens, Really, Really, Really!

p.s. It is wrong for there to be Racism here in Canada and it's not going to get better if people deny it or laugh about it, (Doc)

[shimmydampner]

NAC is probably looking for someone with Knowledge of the community and people. Many organizations seek those kind of employees.

Also, the situation of Affirmative action occurs because there IS A PROBLEM. Hello! Seems like nobody here understands or knows about discrimination or racism ( never had that trouble?) Discrimination happens, Really, Really, Really!

Chantal, please. Affirmative action does nothing other than foster more discrimination by solidifying the notion that there is a difference between us. Hiring should be done on the basis of the most qualified gets the job. Case closed.
Also, it doesn't take a native person to be familiar with native peoples and communities. Pilots are in and out these communities and deal with the people on a daily basis. Sometimes the pilots are living in the communities. This isn't rocket science.

[ettw]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me!

Thank You I have been called worse!

You tell em my friend!

Cheers,

ETTW

[ettw]

OK...here's my take on this issue......

I personally don't like this sort of thing but its simply because I don't think I've done anything wrong. I've spent my whole flying career in the north and love the land, people, everything. My wife is half Jamaican. Race, colour, etc have no meaning to me. If you're qualified, you get the job. So I have to say in all honesty, why should my resume be viewed any differently because of my heritage or lack thereof.

I think its a degree of discrimination and I thought we as a society had reached a point in its evolution where discrimination was not cool...so neither is reverse discrimination.

Cheers,

ETTW

[LostinRotation]

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.[/u][/i]

I wouldn't say anyone who is paid to go to highschool, has post secondary education paid for as well as expenses and ontop of that, doesn't pay taxes is "disadvantaged" in any way shape or form.

I am just as equal to my neighbour, the guy down the street or the woman I work with....If any of us want $$ or to go to school we have to work our asses off.

Look at it this way...I gave you money no matter what, that didn't end after 16 weeks, let you start your own local government that could spend money however it saw fit...and funded it, allowed you to use the healthcare system without ever having to pay for it....why would you want to get a job ?

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/report/govrev/05/cp-rc09_e.asp


Federal Government Expenditures in Aboriginal Programming by Thematic Area (2004–05)

Safe and Sustainable Communities $2,430.5 million

Lifelong Learning $1,940.7 million

Health $1,838.5 million

Governance and Relationships $1,145.6 million

Housing $438.8 million

Economic Opportunity $231.4 million

Lands and Resources $144.8 million

Health
$1,838.5M*

Improved Health of Aboriginal Peoples

Primary Health Care
$277.0M

Health Promotion
$276.9M

Health Protection
$52.4M

Supplementary health benefits
$797.5M

Health Governance and Infrastructure Support
$434.6M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Lifelong Learning
$1,940.7M*

Early Learning and Childcare
$21.5M

Kindergarten to Grade 12
$1,173.8M

Careers and Skills Development
$383.9M

Post-secondary Education
$297.6M

Languages and cultures
$64.0M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Safe and Sustainable Communities
$2,430.5M*

Aboriginal communities are safe, stable, and sustainable

Community Infrastructure
$911.0M

Social Support and Community Well-being
$1,261.9M

Community Safety and Justice
$257.7M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Housing
$438.8M*

Aboriginal people have improved access to suitable, adequate, affordable housing and related support

Housing On reserve
$248.2M

Housing Off reserve
$190.6M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Economic Opportunity
$231.4M*

Community Economic Services, Institutions and Regulations
$146.4M

Employment
$33.7M

Business Establishment and Expansion
$51.3M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Lands and Resources
$144.8M*

Land Management
$76.6M

Resource management
$31.9M

Environment Management
$36.3M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Governance and Relationships
$1,145.6M*

Federal Aboriginal Affairs
$19.3M

Aboriginal Governance and Institution
$425.9M

Litigation
$48.8M

Treaties, Claims and Self- government Arrangements
$651.6M

*Due to rounding, figures may not add to total shown.

Total = $ 8,170,300,000.oo




http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/about/budget_e.asp

Canadian Nation Defence Budget

2002-2003 budget estimates

Total = $ 11,834,800,000.oo



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[jjal]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me!

Thank You I have been called worse!

You tell em my friend!

Cheers,

ETTW

First of all I called you an idiot because you assumed I was afraid or insecure or some garbage like that. I suppose, however, I have been called worse myself.

My comments in this post, as I have said, stem from how I am being discriminated against because I am not of Aboriginal descent. Do not take my comments as a personal attack on you (other than when I called you an idiot, I suppose ) as my frustration is with how it is OK for some discrimination and not OK for others.

Let's take Aboriginal out of this as obviously I struck quite the nerve here (although I guess I wanted to stir the pot a bit). Let's say, for example, NAC Air advertised the following:

"Applications from people of Algerian origin particularly welcomed."

Most people would call the above statement racist or discriminatory. That is my point... it IS discriminatory and it IS racist against anyone except Algerians. But when we replace Algerian with Aboriginal or Native or Indian or First Nation or whatever term is chosen in whatever circumstance, it becomes ok and acceptable in society.

My question is WHY is it OK?

PS Sorry for calling you by the wrong name... close though...

[LostinRotation]

Here is what me thinks. jjal has some insecurity issues on his/her ability and is afraid that a native person would take the job that he/she might be after.

I say if you want the job, apply. If not, don't. If you had applied and didn't get the job because a native was hired instead, so be it! Move on little doggy! Maybe there is a better job with your name on it somewhere else.

For me, I am native and I work for a native airline and I am respected as a person who works for this company and I have been through the thick and thin of it all.

P.S. I don't see anything wrong with NAC trying to improve the well fare of the people that they serve.


Those who fear do not succeed!!

I don't see how what he's saying would have anything to do with insecurities. Although your attack may show you may be insecure about your ability to find work if your advantages were taken away.

I hardly think your thoughs would be " move along little doggy! " If you were told you weren't hired because your native. Infact chances are you'd be the new owner of that company after the lawsuit was settled.

No one is attacking natives here....hell I spent years out in Cayuga and Hagersville where the majority of my friends were native. All thats being said is all the spending and descrimination is rediculous. If I had it my way all that money would go toward upping our defence budget, health care and sending EVERY Canadian to college/university.

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